BA .308 SA 1,000 yards?

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I suspect Federal ammo uses Sierra 168MK which are not recommend for 1000yd because of instability (I expect someone to respond that they can hit 10"gong at 1000yd with this bullet all day long)
Yes, Sierra Match-King bullets. I couldn't get to 1100 or 1200. Well, I hit the 1100 once but barely and I didn't see it... my spotter said I did and he said it was a "really light hit". The 1200 yard plate... no idea where the bullet went when I shot at it. No splash, no nothing. It was gone.

At 1,000 though... 1,000 yards wasn't a problem to hit (when the scope's elevation for that yardage was validated). It wasn't a strong plate-moving, white paint destroying hit. But it hit. About 10 times total that weekend, actually out of maybe 14 total shots at it. Not a ton of wind though.
 

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    I recently went back to 308 from 6.5 Creedmoor. I use the original LW barrel that was installed on my AT. Shoot 175 grain SMKs out if it. I really forget how pleasant it is to shoot this cartridge. It is more challenging to shoot than the 6.5 CM cartridge but 1,000 yards is not an issue.

    I recently spun up a 26" Krieger MTU contour barrel for my AT. It is a 4 groove 10 twist barrel. Chambered to shoot the Berger 185 cartridge. I don't reload so I am at the mercy of factory. I can tell you that I like this cartridge a lot. Works pretty damn well at 1,000 yards even in high wind. Hope to try it to longer ranges in the springtime. I know it will shoot to 1,300 without fail.
     
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    I suspect Federal ammo uses Sierra 168MK which are not recommend for 1000yd because of instability (I expect someone to respond that they can hit 10"gong at 1000yd with this bullet all day long)

    The 168MK keyholes at 1000yd. I have pulled many target and saw those keyholes during 1000yd matches. If you can get the Federal ammo with Sierra 175MK or 190MK or Berger 168 or Sierra 168TMK.
     

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    Hey guy's quick question for you.

    I am building my first long range rifle and wanted to get some feed back from the Pro's. I picked up a stock remington 700 sa that has an 18" tactical barrel.
    Planning on dropping it into a Cadex chassis. Would a 26'" barrel get me to the 1,000 yard mark? Is there anything else besides the barrel and trigger I should change to push this gun as far a possible?

    Currently not doing any competitions, but I would like to once I get this rifle where it needs to be to compete.
    I have been reading a lot of mixed reviews when it comes to mags. Can anyone here vouch for the Magpul mags? I was leaning toward the AI mags, because it seems like they are fail proof. Definitely a price difference.
    The 18" will get you to 1,000. A 24" or 26" will work better. You will see all the 6.5 fanboys chiming in here, but if 1,000 is your limit, the .308 is more than adequate. A 6.5 will be easier to reach further out with, but so would a Barret 50. For me, at distances out to 1,200, it boils down to cost of ammo, barrel life, and fun. I can usually hold it < 1 MOA at 1,000 with some pretty cheap ammo. I've got good glass, but my .308 rifle is pretty cheap compared to what you want to build. Someone mentioned trigger time. That will be paramount to get you further down the road, and it will make up for a lot of hardware shortcomings.
     
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    I think some here are overestimating their skills with a .308.

    Check out any high level F class FTR scores and you’ll see even the best don’t hold as good as some here claim.
    Some may be stretching it. But, I think it's mostly about trigger time. For me, I have a half-mile range in my back yard with several steel targets. Ammo has been tight, but I usually shoot at least a few rounds two or three times a week. I have an 8" inch plate hung out at 800, so that's 3/8" less than a 1 MOA target. I can usually hit it cold, unclean bore first shot under easy conditions. If I miss it a second time, I start looking for something to be loose. I have a deer feeder to the far right of the line of fire at 880. It's a crow magnet. Those crows pecking corn off the ground at 1/2 mile, now that's a challenge. They're easier to hit if you can catch them facing you right after they pick up a few kernels. They tend to stand still for several seconds LOL!
     
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    Some may be stretching it. But, I think it's mostly about trigger time. For me, I have a half-mile range in my back yard with several steel targets. Ammo has been tight, but I usually shoot at least a few rounds two or three times a week. I have an 8" inch plate hung out at 800, so that's 3/8" less than a 1 MOA target. I can usually hit it cold, unclean bore first shot under easy conditions. If I miss it a second time, I start looking for something to be loose. I have a deer feeder to the far right of the line of fire at 880. It's a crow magnet. Those crows pecking corn off the ground at 1/2 mile, now that's a challenge. They're easier to hit if you can catch them facing you right after they pick up a few kernels. They tend to stand still for several seconds LOL!
    Your situation is less about trigger time in general and more about trigger time on your home range.
     
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    I recently went back to 308 from 6.5 Creedmoor. I use the original LW barrel that was installed on my AT. Shoot 175 grain SMKs out if it. I really forget how pleasant it is to shoot this cartridge. It is more challenging to shoot than the 6.5 CM cartridge but 1,000 yards is not an issue.

    I recently spun up a 26" Krieger MTU contour barrel for my AT. It is a 4 groove 10 twist barrel. Chambered to shoot the Berger 185 cartridge. I don't reload so I am at the mercy of factory. I can tell you that I like this cartridge a lot. Works pretty damn well at 1,000 yards even in high wind. Hope to try it to longer ranges in the springtime. I know it will shoot to 1,300 without fail.
    I promise you, it will shoot much further than that if you're getting good velocity out of it. I know Federal GMM loads that bullet up to an advertised 2600 muzzle velocity. Out of my 24" bolt gun, it's starting to flatten the primers and has a definite increase in recoil over the 168 and 175. a few years ago, I shot that round a mile at a full size IPSC silhouette and was 2 for 5 with no warm-up shots. I hit that target on the second and last shot. I would of had a couple fewer misses if I had followed my own advice and not listen to my spotter LOL! I usually shoot 168s and 175s of cheaper ammo, but I like that 185 Federal so much I have a case of it stored away for the "hard times."
     
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    I promise you, it will shoot much further than that if you're getting good velocity out of it. I know Federal GMM loads that bullet up to an advertised 2600 muzzle velocity. Out of my 24" bolt gun, it's starting to flatten the primers and has a definite increase in recoil over the 168 and 175. a few years ago, I shot that round a mile at a full size IPSC silhouette and was 2 for 5 with no warm-up shots. I hit that target on the second and last shot. I would of had a couple fewer misses if I had followed my own advice and not listen to my spotter LOL! I usually shoot 168s and 175s of cheaper ammo, but I like that 185 Federal so much I have a case of it stored away for the "hard times."
    I have never tried the Federal version but have shot the Berger version. I will have to give the Federal a try if I can find it nowadays.
     

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    Your situation is less about trigger time in general and more about trigger time on your home range.
    I'll admit, the home range has a familiarity. And, I don't usually deal with much wind here. But, I do occasionally get out and shoot other places. I have watched a few high-power matches out of curiosity. But, regardless of your hardware, you still have to get out and burn some bullets to glue down the fundamentals and get good.

    One thing I saw many years ago, I was in Mexico and watched a standing long-range silhouette match. Those guys were hitting some pretty small steel targets at some pretty long ranges. They were doing it using what looked like your average Remington or Winchester bolt-action hunting rifles with iron sights. They were doing it standing offhand, and no fancy shooting jackets or big mitts. Though I was weak on Spanish, I asked a couple of the high-scoring contenders what their secrets were. They both said they had been shooting that way their whole lives. Those guys were impressive.
     
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    The 18" will get you to 1,000. A 24" or 26" will work better. You will see all the 6.5 fanboys chiming in here, but if 1,000 is your limit, the .308 is more than adequate. A 6.5 will be easier to reach further out with, but so would a Barret 50. For me, at distances out to 1,200, it boils down to cost of ammo, barrel life, and fun. I can usually hold it < 1 MOA at 1,000 with some pretty cheap ammo. I've got good glass, but my .308 rifle is pretty cheap compared to what you want to build. Someone mentioned trigger time. That will be paramount to get you further down the road, and it will make up for a lot of hardware shortcomings.
    Appreciate the tips. When you say good glass, what are you using? I was considering the Vortex Viper PST 6-24x50 with the EBR-2C reticle
     

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    Went shooting today with two 308's running 208 eld-m's. Steel is at the top of the 2nd hill. From the targets, look up to the top of the ridge and see the road... that's the shooting spot. Just to put the distance in perspective. Approx 950 yds. required 7.3 mils with 27" barrel and 7.6 mils with 24" barrel. Wind was weird today, up to 0.8 mils in either direction.

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    i have a 20" 308 barrel. I rarely shoot it anymore. It is fine at 1k. for sure will try out to a mile soon. doubtful to have anywhere near enough elevation as I can only get about 27 mils on the turrets...I guess I could hold and hope!!! probably 1500 max...if I am lucky on wind.