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What would you consider the preferred length of heavy barrel for a bolt action tuned for maximum long range accuracy. Caliber is 308 and eats Federal 150's, 168's and 175's. Also will be eating m118's. Fed match 168's and 175 would be the real focus.

Of course portability and weight will take the back seat. This is about the barrels part in accuracy. Assume the stock and trigger are complimentary to the tuned 700 action. If all components are done right. What lenght?
 
#2
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Im sure you'll get more expert opinions, but it will depend on distance. I was asking myself this question about 2 months ago, and for 1000 yards, opinions were consistent on 20" being more than enough. I guess a longer barrell would'nt hurt accuracy, but, it could be considered overkill. So in the end, you'll want the shortest lenght that will get the job done, since it will reduce the weight and handling of the gun
 
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Based on the fact that your saying weight and portability take the back seat, Im going to say longer than 20".

Sure you can get the job done in 20" BUT with a slightly longer barrel you can squeeze out more FPS on those projectiles.

Some guys are still getting good speeds out of their 20's but at least if you go longer you know your going to get a faster speed regardless unless the barrel is bad.

My next barrel will be a 1:11" twist with a length close to 20"
 
#5
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Thank you to all for jumping in with your thoughts on this.

I am sure there is a point of diminishing return on length. But I am looking to get max fps and bullet stability. This is also important to me.

I just read the Lilja info. According to Dan Lilja, the recommendation is 26" to 30", but contour is very important to keep in mind.
 
#6
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A big concern on length was due to mobility and deployment of the rifle. You always give ups FPS when you reduce the length. The trade off has always been use vs. distance vs. caliber, etc. If the rifle is going to be used just as a long range target type then go with what ever length will give you the most distance/fps. If its going to be a rifle you will deploy or compete with then having a shorter barrel will aid in that endeavor. 20" is getting to be more and more the standard especially if reloading where what you lose in barrel shortening you can recoup somewhat in load development. Also if you plan to put a suppressor on it, shortening the length will help in making the rifle a better overall length.
In an other note, Lowlight shoots his gladius at 1000yds with an 18.5" barrel.
 
#7
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Wow. 26"-27" to stay "handy." He also recommends 168's. This, I don't understand. If you are going 26" or 27", I assume you are doing so to get range. Then you use a 168 grain bullet that does not do well at long range.

On the one hand, he is saying that the 308 is not a long range caliber... fine, why add an extra 6" for a few extra fps, then? Use a shorter barrel for portability, use 168's, and limit yourself to 600 yards.

Truth is, with a shorter barrel (certainly shorter than 26") and 175's or 155's, you can still reach out to 1,000 yards. Perhaps not as accurately as some other calibers, but it can be done.

I don't understand his thinking. I guess it is dated.
 
#8
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I'd rather have 26" for my 308. Sure the 175's CAN make it to 1K from an 18" tube, but my wind call can be alot worse than yours and I'll still get the hit.

Some people here say "deployment" and mean it, others say "deployment" and it means from the safe tot he car, then from the car to the bench......
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sobrbiker883</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Some people here say "deployment" and mean it, others say "deployment" and it means from the safe tot he car, then from the car to the bench...... </div></div>

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Thats funny right there....


Kirk R
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sobrbiker883</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'd rather have 26" for my 308. Sure the 175's CAN make it to 1K from an 18" tube, but my wind call can be alot worse than yours and I'll still get the hit.

Some people here say "deployment" and mean it, others say "deployment" and it means from the safe tot he car, then from the car to the bench......</div></div>

A 1MPH wind will move your 308 10" at 1000 yards... you're velocity won't save you as much as you think when it comes to wind with a 308 at that distance.

Don't believe me... check JBM.

at 2750fps a 175gr needs 2.6 mils or 9 MOA
at 2600fps it needs 2.9 mils or 9.9 MOA

That is with a 10 MPH, blow the wind say by 2MPH calling it 8MPH and you have

2.3 Mils for 2600 or 2.1 mils for 2750fps, screw roughly 7.2 MOA

screw up in the other direction say, 12MPH

you need 3.1 mils or 10.8 MOA for 2750 versus 3.5 or 11.9MOA


with a 150fps you only gain 1MOA which is a 1 MPH wind call... you have to be able to dope the wind to within 1 MPH to have an advantage and then it is 1 MOA.

You gain on elevation not wind... where is the wind advantage.

Ask Team Blaster the first time they showed up to RO with their 6.5CMs and bet me against my "short" 308 at 1000 with George Gardner on the tower with them. I first round hit at 1000 yards and they need close to 4 shots to get on.

Experience will always win.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Ask Team Blaster the first time they showed up to RO with their 6.5CMs and bet me against my "short" 308 at 1000 with George Gardner on the tower with them. I first round hit at 1000 yards and they need close to 4 shots to get on.

Experience will always win.
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I can't argue with that. I guess I should have ran the numbers before I said "alot", I was guesstimating (since I don't have a shorty) that the windage difference would be more significant than 1 moa.

I wholeheartedly agree that experience will always win.
 
#12
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Highpower competitors advocate and use 28"-32" barrels at 1K because:

1. Their group sizes are being measured and compared against others. Of course, you'd want every edge you can get, wouldn't you?
2. They are not lugging it far.
3. The 308 is not the best LR cartridge by far. Extra barrel length gives them less lost points if they miss a wind change. Not much, but this is for competitions where small differences matter.
4. Short barrels, what "gets" you to 1K at elevation and in warm temps may not get you there at sea level and colder temps.

So, if you've already got a bulky, heavy-ass rifle, then why not.

Really long barrels get REALLY heavy in bigger contours. Many folks are doing well by shedding weight and going to Light Palma type contours. The barrel needs to be "heavy-enough" but too heavy causes many problems as well. Check out the "Tubb" contour, David thinks he nailed the right balance.
 
#13
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Darkstar</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What would you consider the preferred length of heavy barrel for a bolt action tuned for maximum long range accuracy. Caliber is 308 and eats Federal 150's, 168's and 175's. Also will be eating m118's. Fed match 168's and 175 would be the real focus.

Of course portability and weight will take the back seat. This is about the barrels part in accuracy. Assume the stock and trigger are complimentary to the tuned 700 action. If all components are done right. What length? </div></div>

When you say "maximum long range accuracy" what exactly do you mean? Hits or misses on a hunk of steel out to 1000 yards? OR hitting a .5 moa x-ring out to a 1000 yards? They are two COMPLETELY different standards of accuracy (unless you're shooting .5 moa steel).

If you decide you want consistently hit a .5moa x-ring at range, then I'd go straight to 6mmbr.com and see what the guys who are shooting world record groups are shooting and try to get as close to what they shoot as possible WHILE I say again WHILE balancing other practical characteristics (i.e weight, length, ....)

If you decide that your conception of accuracy is the ability to consistently hit steel at range then your rifle should probably lean a little more towards the practical (they are not NECESSARILY mutually exclusive)....look up the specs on rifles currently being fielded by the armed forces. In any case you shouldn't have to reinvent the wheel. It just depends what you want to do and model your rifle in that direction. One is not better than the other...just different.
 
#14
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Weight consideration is unavoidable (though how much extra weight does an extra 8" piece of barrel add?). But regarding size/length - DTA SRS bullpup in 308 gives me 38" OAL rifle with 26" barrel. Best of both worlds?
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#15
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People don't seem to understand the concept of mission specific.

Constantly you have people wanting it both ways, and unfortunately it doesn't work that way. I don't use a short 308 because I want to shoot 1000 yards each time I go out, I use a short 308 because it is an outstanding compromise.

If you want something that will perform at 1000 yards pick a better bullet.

If you want to successfully shoot 1000 FClass F/TR you have to pick a rifle that can compete with that genre of shooting.

Will I shoot 1000 with 18" bbl, absolutely, does the majority of my practice focus on 1000 yards, absolutely not. If it did I would be using my 7WSM, or my 260, but that is not my focus. I want to "own" 600m with my 308, rounding out around 800. If something presented itself at 1000 I know what I need to engage that, but it is not my focus, especially with the 308.

A lot of misunderstanding as to what you should be focusing on. Really, who the hell care what FClass guy are doing for their 308 barrels, it doesn't translate unless you simply want the rifle to "look" tactical. Their game, their requirements for success are completely different. If that was what I wanted to do, I would run a 28" bbl on rifle as few ounces off of max weight as I could get. I wouldn't be looking to compromise. It is a completely different mission, sure you want accuracy, but you also have to think about moving, and shooting from an alternate position. F Class guy don't stop off at the 400 yard line and shoot sitting and kneeling for score, if they did I bet you'd see a decrease in weight and barrel length. Manicured range versus field shooting, and in the field you have to get there, usually on foot.

Buying an accurate rifle is easy, it only takes money. Shooting accurately takes practice, and understanding, you have to know the system strengths, and more importantly it's weaknesses.
 
#16
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Frank, for tactical rifle shooting velocity is is important whether or not one can judge the wind to within 1 mph. Target shooters don't care about the trajectory of the bullet because they know the distance to the target. But when shooting UKD, or when you don't have the advantage of sighters, a flatter trajectory from a longer barrel is a distinct advantage.
 
#17
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Graham,

Unless the research that Tac Ops did is incorrect, there is no difference between a 20" barrel's MV and a 26" or even above. I don't have a chrono so I haven't confirmed it myself, but a lot of what gets done is because of belief and is not backed up by science. A lot of people run a longer barrel because they believe they will get better velocity out of it.

IF the study by Tac Ops was correct, and I have no reason to doubt it, than there is no real advantage to a longer barrel, only perceived psychological benefit.

-BM
 
#18
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Then pick a better bullet.

As long as the bullet is over 1150fps, the rest is up to the shooter.

What trajectory advantage does a 175gr bullet going 2725fps have over one going 2600fps? Danger space = ________.

There is a reason the 308 is separated from the open class, because there is so many better bullets.

Dope is dope you either know if or you don't.
 
#19
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On my 700 I run a 26" barrel.

If you are not creeping about a 26" barrel is not going to hurt you one bit. I feel you run into diminishing returns after 26".

Now for the drawbacks I encounter with a 26" barrel. It's a pain to find a rental car that can accommodate my hard case. It barely fits in the trunk of my patrol car in a drag bag. I have to be very mindful of the barrel in abandoned houses, boiler rooms, etc. It's a pain to patrol with in thick woods. That's about it. I can still shoot it offhand and the weight has never been a concern.

Now, for an "all around" rifle? There is a reason I ordered a 20" AE.
 
#20
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What trajectory advantage does a 175gr bullet going 2725fps have over one going 2600fps? Danger space = ________.
</div></div>My question is this- IS there a difference in muzzle velocity at all between a 20" barrel and a 26"? I have read studies that say NO, in which case, there is no advantage. But, you know how studies go... I also have read posts where guys with 26" barrels shoot with chrono's and also have 20" barreled .308's that they run through and find the same speed.

What's the verdict?
 
#21
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My 24" AE with factory Black Hills 175gr had a MV of 2685fps, (I have since cut it back)

My Gladius with factory CorBon gets 2605fps.

A well made barrel loses less than 20fps per inch, in some cases I am seeing less than 10fps per inch. With factory ammo, not hand loads.

And It fits in a shorter hard case.
 
#22
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bm11</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My question is this- IS there a difference in muzzle velocity at all between a 20" barrel and a 26"? </div></div>

With factory loaded .308 the 26" barrel will almost always be a little faster (when comparing two equal barrels). However the difference is usually meaningless.

A partner and I shot the same lot of ammo through a 20" LTR and 26" 700. In both rifles the bullets showed tumble after 900.
 
#23
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My 178 AMAX load with the 24" barrel was around 2725fps and at 22" when I got my rifle cut and threaded it was 2710fps and when I had the barrel set back and the Surefire brake put on it dropped to 2695fps. I trust my own numbers.

Other factors as far as barrel, powder and bullet will add to the equation of velocity loss between barrel lengths. Tac Ops used one factory load, 168 Fed GMM, and found no difference. Does that make a blanket statement that with any barrel, load and bullet there won't be a difference? It doesn't to me. Just with that load and barrel.
 
#24
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My 24" AE with factory Black Hills 175gr had a MV of 2685fps, (I have since cut it back)

My Gladius with factory CorBon gets 2605fps.

A well made barrel loses less than 20fps per inch, in some cases I am seeing less than 10fps per inch. With factory ammo, not hand loads.

And It fits in a shorter hard case.

</div></div> The Gladius is 18", yes? I have read that the transition from 20" to 18" is where you start to lose a bit of MV, but not much. The above data collected coincides pretty closely.
 
#25
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My 178 AMAX load with the 24" barrel was around 2725fps and at 22" when I got my rifle cut and threaded it was 2710fps and when I had the barrel set back and the Surefire brake put on it dropped to 2695fps. I trust my own numbers.

Other factors as far as barrel, powder and bullet will add to the equation of velocity loss between barrel lengths. Tac Ops used one factory load, 168 Fed GMM, and found no difference. Does that make a blanket statement that with any barrel, load and bullet there won't be a difference? It doesn't to me. Just with that load and barrel. </div></div>Good point. I would imagine powder type and load would have a lot to do with it, and the bullet to a lesser extent. Still not a huge difference in muzzle velocity in what you were seeing, but some.
 
#26
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Look at it this way, in 2005 the Harbinger with a 22" bbl won the 600 yard group shot at ASC.

It was not a 308 only match, and it was in wind, I held about a mil.

The Dirty Group was measured at 3.25" under field condition on a IPSC target with no central aiming point.

Speed has advantages, but it is not the deciding factor, practice is.
 
#27
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I have a surgeon remedy 300 win mag built on a XL single shot action barrel is 1.350" at breach for 5" then tapers to 1"@ 28" bedded in a McMillan A5 stock with scope it weighs in at 21 pounds.Not sure which action you are wanting to use but surgeon or gap would be a great choice and they will handle a long very heavy contour barrel.
 
#28
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I know I've said it before somewhere, but every choice made in picking or building a rifle is a trade off of one thing or another.

Like Frank said, "mission specific" will get you the right tool for the job.

Then there's the point I feel he's really trying to get across that is falling on deaf ears:
<span style="font-weight: bold">Its 90% indian, 10% bow!</span>

No reason to not build/buy the best rifle you can, but even a $5K+ rifle with $3K+ glass cannot pull its own trigger!
 
#29
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sorry to jump in, but whats a good short barrel length for a .223 bolt gun? i cut my 26" sps-v down to 20" and i am still thinking less since AR's go down to 16.5"
i tired a search but came up dry.
thanks!!
 
#30
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Here's a story on that very subject from SWAT magazine hosted by Tac-Ops, manufacturer of the acclaimed Bravo-51, Tango-51 and X-Ray series tactical rifles. Tac-Ops, I should note, is partial to building .308s with a 20" barrel.
 
#31
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Fred, old article that always comes up when the barrel length question comes up and that is what I was talking about in my post above when mentioning only using one ammo.

I honestly think people get way to wrapped around the axle in thinking they need a certain barrel length. Take a ruler and look at 6". Honestly will that much more or less barrel really going to make a difference in handling in situations? I have taken my 28" MTU barrel and dragged it through all sorts of obstacles and never had the barrel length give me a problem as far as getting caught on anything. I opt for more velocity and go longer. Some want less length. That's fine too. Pick what you think will work for you and what you want to do with the rifle and go with it.
 
#32
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Another factor that needs consideration is rifling twist. You mention 150 to 175-gr. Well a 1/11 or 1/11.25 is a good compromise for a 22 to 26-inch barrel shooting those bullet weights, but if you are going to reduce the length of the barrel down to 18 or 20-inches, I'd say go with a 1/10 twist.
 
#33
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Fred, old article that always comes up when the barrel length question comes up and that is what I was talking about in my post above when mentioning only using one ammo.

I honestly think people get way to wrapped around the axle in thinking they need a certain barrel length. Take a ruler and look at 6". Honestly will that much more or less barrel really going to make a difference in handling in situations? I have taken my 28" MTU barrel and dragged it through all sorts of obstacles and never had the barrel length give me a problem as far as getting caught on anything. I opt for more velocity and go longer. Some want less length. That's fine too. Pick what you think will work for you and what you want to do with the rifle and go with it. </div></div>Agreed somewhat. I have a 26" barrel plus brake on my AW, and that is a fine length for now, but when my suppressor comes in, it will make the overall length unacceptable to me. Hence, the 20" barrel on order. To each their own, but a 26" barreled rifle with a suppressor attached is getting a bit long for anybody!
 
#34
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What trajectory advantage does a 175gr bullet going 2725fps have over one going 2600fps? Danger space = ________. </div></div>Sure, it isn't much when you put it that way. But I do both: shoot a 175JLK with a .545 BC at 2725fps instead of a 175SMK with a .508 BC at 2650fps. Run those numbers: the difference is substantial.

Danger space is the factor that determines the quality of a trajectory, no question about it. And you can pick up more danger space with higher BC's. But to shoot the highest BC's in a .308 you need a long mag length. If you can't take advantage of the best bullets because of your magazine length limit, or you are limited to using factory ammo, then a higher velocity from a longer barrel is your fall-back position.

I forget who said it above, but I don't agree that all .308 barrel lengths produce the same velocity. The Palma guys are getting 3000fps out of a 155gr .308 that has the same BC as a 175SMK. I can't do that with my 18.5" barrel.

I do, however, agree that BC trumps velocity all-around because a higher BC decreases lag time more than its velocity decrease increases lag time. But velocity and BC remain tied to each other. The advantage of velocity in the wind is that the drag coefficient of the bullet is lower at a higher velocity. Yes, the force of the drag is higher, but the bullet gets there faster because the higher velocity shortens the lag time. So I also want velocity - as much as I can get regardless of BC.

We end up where we began - that in a .308 case pressure is the limiting factor to acceptable performance. People have gone to tight bores with short barrels in order to increase velocity, but limits are reached early because of the limited case capacity of the .308.
 
#35
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">To each their own, but a 26" barreled rifle with a suppressor attached is getting a bit long for anybody!</div></div>

Not for Stan Owens. He runs an AI 300WM with a can on it at matches and does really well with that long SOB. He's a hell of a shooter.
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#36
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Not for Stan Owens. He runs an AI 300WM with a can on it at matches and does really well with that long SOB. He's a hell of a shooter.
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#37
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">People don't seem to understand the concept of mission specific.</div></div>
Well, give at least some of us credit of understanding!
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But there is more than one way to address the requirements of the mission, at least as far as the rifle length is concerned.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Constantly you have people wanting it both ways, and unfortunately it doesn't work that way. I don't use a short 308 because I want to shoot 1000 yards each time I go out, I use a short 308 because it is an outstanding compromise.</div></div>
But there are at least two ways to shorten 308. Put a shorter barrel on a conventional rifle, or use a bullpup rifle - in which case barrel length can stay 26" while the overall rifle length (say 40") would fit into most of the rental cars as I had the pleasure of verifying.
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That's the compromise I chose - which to me looks better than truncating the barrel. Plus - I like better how the rifle balances this way.
 
#38
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Key to Stan's success...

he practices, and he evaluates his self in writing for others to examine where he is at fault. He runs his drills exactly as if it was the competition, he doesn't half ass it flopping down and simply sending rounds down range. He goes out and does this stuff, on his own.

Practice, practice, practice, like his life depended on each and every shot, even when no one is looking.
 
#39
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Exactly. It's the shooter and not the rifle. Stan puts forth the extra effort and gets the benefits to doing so.
 
#40
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It's the shooter and not the rifle.</div></div>
Look, it is obvious that "it's not the car - it's the driver", "it's not the pots - it's the cook", etc. A great cook with lousy pots would make a better dish than a lousy cook with great pots. Given.

Still, quality tools help and improve quality of whatever you're doing in whatever field you find yourself involved in.
 
#41
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Honestly will that much more or less barrel really going to make a difference in handling in situations? </div></div>

It depends on the handling situation. I have never had a problem outside with my 26" 700 unless I was in really heavy brush. In those situations a pistol is too long. It's inside I run into problems. Particularly stairwells and a engineering spaces. During a training day at a local hospital I almost speared my muzzle into a steam pipe in a dark ass hallway.

On the queston of the equipment race.....

I have won against better hardware and lost against better shooters.
 
#42
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LoneWolfUSMC,

I have listened to a lot of debates about equipment, rifles, scopes, etc. And nothing has summed it up better than that statement:

"I have won against better hardware and lost against better shooters."

Awesome!
 
#43
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LoneWolf for a LE rifle and the ranges that are shot then a 18" rifle would be fine obviously if getting into really tight spots is needed. As said earlier mission specific.

True statement on the equipment race.
 
#44
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body">LoneWolf for a LE rifle and the ranges that are shot then a 18" rifle would be fine obviously if getting into really tight spots is needed. As said earlier mission specific.

True statement on the equipment race. </div></div>

Unfortunately up until the AE showed up, the 700 was my "one gun". I had to make it do double duty for LE and long range.

With most of what we do I could get away with a 16" .308 with a 1-4x optic. However that's not exactly what I want to shoot a 1000 yard match with.

Now that I have been able to save and win some here and there I can start to work on specialized equipment instead of one rifle to do it all.
 
#45
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At times I think about having one gun. It was much easier at the beginning for me. I had fewer choices of what I had to learn and master.

Life was simpler then.


van
 
#47
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So to the ops question, which seems to inline with match type rifle
Match rifles typical run long barrels 28" +

Tak/Hunting rifles for reasons of portability/weight generally run shorter

308 is not ideal, unless rules/format dictate

A good 6 or 6.5 cal regardless of barrel length will do more to aide a shooters skill or lack of.

However will not make a mediocre shooter a grandmaster, betting against a master based on caliber used....not wise

Practice makes perfect.... NO... perfect practice makes perfect
 
#48
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Oh man....

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Captain Kirk</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sobrbiker883</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Some people here say "deployment" and mean it, others say "deployment" and it means from the safe tot he car, then from the car to the bench...... </div></div>

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Thats funny right there....


Kirk R </div></div>
 
#50
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Thanks to All for your input.
I have a 40X repeater in 7.62 that shoots bugger hole groups with fed match and cloverleafs fed 150's. I love the rifle, but it has a 27.75" barrel on her. I have been lugging it around the woods for years and have learned to manage the length and the weight. But, I would like to have something a little more portable than this flat black pogo stick. I have thought about doing a barrel mod on her, BUT she is the most accurate 30 cal I have ever owned. I have been around many custom builds that do not group like this one does. No disrespect to any of the builders out there, I guess this just so happens to be "one of those". I did not plan it, I just lucked out in getting her covered in dust from someone that got it and never shot it?!?

That being said, I am going to leave her alone and build something shorter.
Good Shooting to All!
 
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