Barrett M82 question...

[BigBrother]

Sort of a theory one here, especially for those who've used them in actual service.

Given they trade a lot of accuracy for recoil reduction, I know the party line on them has generally been "different rifle for a different purpose".

But it still doesn't make sense to me- a 3 or 4 MOA gun is going to be awful at the ranges it's meant for - 1000-2000y. You're talking up to a 40 to 80 inch divergence from point of aim. Now, I understand an engine block can be sizably larger than a man, but still- a 3 to 6 ft cone of fire should make things damn difficult, no? Unless you're expecting to put multiple rounds on target, which would make sense, but definitely breaks what I know about the goals of concealment, precision fire, etc. that would generally apply.

Thoughts? Experience?

 

[mdmp5]

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3 or 4 MOA? I know it is not necessarily gonna shoot holes in holes, but they precision is better than that. I shot mine a couple of times with the IRON SIGHTS and was able to cover maybe 2" at 100 yds. And that was with crappy foreign machine gun ammo, not match.

 

[BigBrother]

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Yeah, that's why I wanted people to chime in. I've heard 3 or 4 MOA a number of times, but as it's the Indian and not the arrow, I wanted to get some input.

Just bear in mind- I'm talking the original M82, not newer models, and whatever grade ammo they're issued with.

 

[BOLTRIPPER]

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i had a 82a1....very glad to have gotten rid of it...the best i EVER got with it was with some custom Thunderbird Ammunition Co custom loads that held 2moa at 1000yd....and that's if you held your tongue just right.....but...the gun was very high on the CDI factor

 

[2625fps]

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I'm a former operator, and I've used this weapon extensively. 2MOA is about right for this weapon system. Technically its classified as a scoped rifle... not a sniper rifle. My particular setup had a 10x Untertl scope and I was able to consistently keep groups within 20-30in @ 1800yrds +. As we all know its not a precision weapon. It was created to immobilize helos, vehicles, and the like...not for t-box groupings..... but then again, I can't say it never happened on occasion.

 

[BigBrother]

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Great, happy to have someone with such experience chime in. If that's the case .308, did you find that whatever targets it was meant for were generally within that range of accuracy, or were you pretty much trained/expected to put a few rounds down before calling it done? Put another way- was it ever, in your mind, being fielded as a "one shot" weapon?

 

[2625fps]

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We employed this weapon primarily on area targets. The Barrett is more than capable of point of aim, point of impact at 1000yrds even with a cold bore shot. If you can see it, you can hit it with one shot at that range, even people. Past that, obviously other factors come into play, but its still very capable on small targets. At 1600yrds + is more for vehicles and the like.

 

[BigBrother]

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Got it. To be clear then, for those 1600+y engagements on vehicles, etc., were you generally putting several rounds in, or was it akin to anti-personnel sniping, where it was intended to be one shot and that was it? I guess what I'm asking is, with the bigger target and the wider precision, does the "model" of precision fire still hold or were you essentially plugging at it as though with a semi auto M2?

 

[Louis Corkern]

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BigBrother--

First lets clear up that the 50BMG is really not meant for the 1000-2000 yard range. It is better suited for the 1000-1500 yard (not saying it hasnt been further).

What needs to be remembered with the 50 is the type of ammo that is used in regards to type of target greatly effects the distance that hits can be made!!!!

Seems people always want to compare accuracy of the 50 to the accuracy of the lil systems and that makes no sense at all really because they are designed from ground up as different specifications and applications.

Lets compare ammo to show the true distance and applications of the 50s:

1. 750gr Amax--NOT suitable for material neutralization
1800m super sonic range with 2650fps MV
15m Max ordinate @ 1800m
3m target has danger space of 71m @1800m

2. Mk211 Mod-0--Suitable for light skinned targets..NOTE: Explosive will not detonate if impact on target is NOT super sonic
1400m super sonic range with 2675fps MV
30m Max ordinate @ 1400m
3m target has danger space of 87m @1400m

3. M20 APIT
1500m super sonic range with 2650fps MV
35m Max ordinate @ 1500m
3m target has danger space of 81m @1500m

4. M8 API
1500m super sonic range with 2650fps MV
37m Max ordinate @ 1500m
3m target has danger space of 77m @1500m

5. C44 AP-T
1600m super sonic range with 2175fps MV
47m Max ordinate @ 1600m
3m target has danger space of 70m @1600m

You get the point of acceptable distance in regards to ammo lol

Back to Original Topic--The M82A1 is accepted as a 2MOA rifle system

Thanks

 

[shooter308]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: .308Shooter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">We employed this weapon primarily on area targets. The Barrett is more than capable of point of aim, point of impact at 1000yrds even with a cold bore shot. If you can see it, you can hit it with one shot at that range, even people. Past that, obviously other factors come into play, but its still very capable on small targets. At 1600yrds + is more for vehicles and the like. </div></div>

where did you come up with your name???