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Beanland 18.5 Inch 6.5x47 Build Is DONE!

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Kicking around the idea of a new lightweight Remmy rig for general use (local matches, hunting, etc). Here's what I'm thinking:
-18 inch Medium weight barrel
-Fluted to save more weight
-B&C Light Tactical A1 stock
-threaded 5/8x24 for my Omega

I have several .308's but have been considering the 6.5x47 for this one just to do something different. Max distance will be 600 yards 90+ percent of the time. May shoot to 800 or 1K very occasionally. Never have seen any info on short 6.5x47's. What kind of velocity can I expect with 123gr Scenars out of that short a barrel? Should I just stick with the .308 or branch out and play with something new? Any thoughts? Thanks!
 
#2
Re: .308 or 6.5x47 For My Short/Light Build?

Not sure about velocity with that short a barrel but I would imagine you'd still have more than the 308 by a decent amount. Compare that with the much higher BC bullets the 6.5's offer and I'd say go 6.5x47. Or look into the Creedmoor so you get more case capacity so you can get more velocity. Not really sure if the lighter 123gr scenars and a short barrel would be better than a 308 with some 175's but if you've already got 308's then maybe it's time to switch it up
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#4
Re: .308 or 6.5x47 For My Short/Light Build?

I just built a 6.5x47L on a 21" 3 groove 8 twist Lilja in a Remington Magnum contour. The only load I've shot in it to any extent has been the Hornady 129 gr SST over R15. It is moving about 2925fps.
Wacked a deer at 553 yards with it, cold bore shot. Lung hit, the deer made it 20 yards. Iwould think you can get the same velocity as the 260 Snipers Hide rifle that Frank showcased last spring or so.
 
#6
Re: .308 or 6.5x47 For My Short/Light Build?

Thanks for the comments folks. Anybody out there shooting a 6.5x47 at 20 inches or shorter? Any super deals out there for brass? $88 per hundred at Powder Valley. Ouch!
 
#7
Re: .308 or 6.5x47 For My Short/Light Build?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Scoop</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thanks for the coments folks. Anybody out there shooting a 6.5x47 at 20 inches or shorter? Any super deals out there for brass? $88 per hundred at Powder Valley. Ouch! </div></div>

Hell $88 is a steal, Sinclair's Christmas catalog arrived the other day and it is ONLY $99 for the Holidays.lol Otherwise $119.

Glad I stocked up when I first built mine. Think most of the 700ish rounds I have for the 6.5 and 6 that I built was under $70 with shipping. For once I did something smart!
 
#8
Re: .308 or 6.5x47 For My Short/Light Build?

In general a smaller diameter round needs a longer barrel to reach its potential. That's one nice thing about the 308, you can get decent results out of shorter barrel. You could do an 18 inch 6.5x47 and it could well have less wind drift than a 308, but it will also have less barrel life and I'd guess you won't come close to tapping the rounds potential.
 
#10
Re: .308 or 6.5x47 For My Short/Light Build?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYS338</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am shooting a 18" 6.5x47 Lapua and a 18" 6.5 Creedmoor.

If you go that short, you don't need the fluting. IMHO </div></div>

What kind of velocity you getting out of the 47L? What load? Also, what twist rate are you running?
 
#11
Re: .308 or 6.5x47 For My Short/Light Build?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Scoop</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYS338</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am shooting a 18" 6.5x47 Lapua and a 18" 6.5 Creedmoor.

If you go that short, you don't need the fluting. IMHO </div></div>

What kind of velocity you getting out of the 47L? What load? Also, what twist rate are you running? </div></div>

Tag.....very interested as well.
 
#12
Re: .308 or 6.5x47 For My Short/Light Build?

I'm just finishing up a project rifle with the same thought in mind. It's a Remington with a 20" Kreiger #5.5 barrel fluted chambered in .260 match. Hope to Cerakote and bed this week and to the range next week. I am curiouse to see how much speed is really lost. I don't think it's going to be much to have a much handier lighter field rifle.

I'll post some info once I get her to the range with a Chrony.

JamieD

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#14
Re: .308 or 6.5x47 For My Short/Light Build?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYS338</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Dont know the velocity as I have not hooked up my chrono. The rifle was built by Rhys Precision. It's a laser! </div></div>

What twist are you running in that 6.5X47? And what load? Thanks.
 
#15
Re: .308 or 6.5x47 For My Short/Light Build?

That rifle has a 8.5 twist, and The load I ran when I tested it initially was a 130 Berger VLD, coated in WS2, over 38.5 of RE17. This is the same load I run in my 600 yard BR gun.
 
#16
Re: .308 or 6.5x47 For My Short/Light Build?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Scoop</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYS338</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Dont know the velocity as I have not hooked up my chrono. The rifle was built by Rhys Precision. It's a laser! </div></div>

What twist are you running in that 6.5X47? And what load? Thanks. </div></div>

Factory Ammo..... from Lapua.
 
#17
Re: .308 or 6.5x47 For My Short/Light Build?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rhys</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That rifle has a 8.5 twist, and The load I ran when I tested it initially was a 130 Berger VLD, coated in WS2, over 38.5 of RE17. This is the same load I run in my 600 yard BR gun. </div></div>

Thanks Rhys. Which barrel did you use? Also, what kind of accuracy and velocity were you getting with that load during testing? Would love to hear the numbers on a barrel that short.
 
#18
Re: .308 or 6.5x47 For My Short/Light Build?

Well, I've decided on the 6.5X47L. I think it will be a great cartridge for my short, light, handy carbine. Jon Beanland will be doing all the work. Here's the final specs. What say you?
-Remmy Action
-18 inch Lilja 3 groove 8 twist
-Remmy Sendero/Varmint Contour Fluted and threaded for my Omega
-B&C Tactical Medalist A1 stock skim bedded
-PTG Lug
-PTG Aluminum Bottom Metal
-TPS aluminum base and rings
-Viper PST 4x16x50 FFP MOA (on order since January)
-Bushed firing pin hole
-Hunter-size bolt knob
-Coated in Tan CeraKote
 
#19
Re: .308 or 6.5x47 For My Short/Light Build?

You'll be fine with the short barrel, have fun with it. I have been hearing the small caliber long barrel theory for a while now and I'm not sure it is true. Based upon your range criteria, it probably doesn't matter, even if it were true.

Only meaningful item I would change to your spec is the stock. I think an A series Mcmillan in edge construction will shave an extra pound at least. I don't know the weight of the b&c stock.
 
#20
Re: .308 or 6.5x47 For My Short/Light Build?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Cpl Snafu</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You'll be fine with the short barrel, have fun with it. I have been hearing the small caliber long barrel theory for a while now and I'm not sure it is true. Based upon your range criteria, it probably doesn't matter, even if it were true.

Only meaningful item I would change to your spec is the stock. <span style="font-weight: bold">I think an A series Mcmillan in edge construction will shave an extra pound at least</span>. I don't know the weight of the b&c stock. </div></div>

I'm open to it. Aiming to save as much weight as possible. The B&C weighs 2.25 pounds. What's the weight on the McMillan?
 
#21
Re: .308 or 6.5x47 For My Short/Light Build?

I wouldn't have guessed it that light. Do you know the construction type on it? molded pastic and foam maybe? The edge stocks are 2-3 depending on the version, which is quite a savings over a standard or heavy fill mcm.
 
#22
Re: .308 or 6.5x47 For My Short/Light Build?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Cpl Snafu</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I wouldn't have guessed it that light. <span style="font-weight: bold">Do you know the construction type on it?</span> molded pastic and foam maybe? The edge stocks are 2-3 depending on the version, which is quite a savings over a standard or heavy fill mcm.</div></div>

The B&C stock is fiberglass, aramid fiber, graphite, epoxy gel and laminating resin laid up around a full-length bedding block. They are very similar to and IMHO, the virtual equal of the HS Precision stocks. I like the "feel" of the B&C/HS Precision stocks but saving alot of weight would be sweet. Sounds like both of these stocks are in the same weight class though.
 
#23
Re: .308 or 6.5x47 For My Short/Light Build?

The difference in weight of a couple inches on the end of a medium weight barrel is not worth handicapping such a good long range cartridge.
 
#24
Re: .308 or 6.5x47 For My Short/Light Build?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Pax</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The difference in weight of a couple inches on the end of a medium weight barrel is not worth handicapping such a good long range cartridge. </div></div>

I hear what you're saying, but max distance will be 600 yards 90+ percent of the time. May shoot to 800 or 1K very occasionally. According to JBM's Calculator(at 2750 fps - anticipated velocity with the short barrel), I'll get to 1K (on the odd occasion that I shoot that far) with 32.6 MOA of drop and 8 MOA for wind. That's VERY similar to what I am getting out of the heavy, long, 24 inch .308 (155 Scenars at 2900 fps) that I'm shooting now.
 
#26
Re: .308 or 6.5x47 For My Short/Light Build?

I have a 20" 6.5 with a sporter contour, OD is probably around .625 or smaller. It's got a B&C alaskan stock, jewel trigger, EGW rail and Weaver tac 4-20. Overall weight is less than 7lbs. Sorry i do not know veloicty yet though...
 
#28
Re: .308 or 6.5x47 For My Short/Light Build?

That said I know a guy with an 18.5" suppressed one and he is getting 2650 with 140gr bullets
 
#29
Re: .308 or 6.5x47 For My Short/Light Build?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Cpl Snafu</div><div class="ubbcode-body">6"-8" of barrel is more than a "couple", and the end result will be a handy little package. </div></div>

True dat brother! All joking aside, I think it will do everything I want it to do. I'm getting pretty excited about it. Sold off some Lapua .223 and .308 brass plus some 155gr Scenars to pay for 500 pieces of brass and some 123gr Scenars & AMAX's to get started with. Also picked up some H4350 and RL17 to play with. Just got the shipping notice from Lilja on the barrel. Picked up the receiver today. Stock is here as well as the PTG bottom metal. It's coming together! Soon as the barrel gets here it's off to Jon to make it all gel.

Thanks Beretta man and Bevan. Will be looking forward to some range reports! 2650 fps with the 140's sounds promising! I'd love to be able to be in the 2750-2800 fps range with those 123gr Scenars.

So far so good......but something is definitely missing......
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#30
Re: .308 or 6.5x47 For My Short/Light Build?

I'd say you'll get over 2800 with the 123's

it's a very efficient cartridge, my mate cut his barrel from 26 to 22 inches and lost 10fps with the same load
 
#31
Re: .308 or 6.5x47 For My Short/Light Build?

I wouldn't have the barrel fluted. You don't shave much weight and you run the risk of adding imperfections to it. If your willing to pay a little more to shoot the 6.5x47 why not get a better made stock to go with the better made parts. My 2 cents.
 
#34
Re: .308 or 6.5x47 For My Short/Light Build?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bevan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">2.25 lbs is a lot, my McM HTG is 20 something ounces </div></div>

OK, OK. Stop twisting my arm.
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I looked at the Manners MCS-T3 and the McM HTG last night. Both seem to be in the same weight class (~2.6 lbs), but they are much nicer stocks. I was trying (admittedly not very hard) to save a little money on this build, but now I'm leaning toward the Manners stock and some iteration of detachable mag bottom metal. Any way to get hold of a Manners or McM without a 3-6 month wait? Also, what am I missing as far as the weight? What's the difference in the "fills" on the McM stocks. I assume that at "20 something ounces" that HTG of yours is the "edge" construction? I guess I could leave the B&C I have unbedded and shoot the thing until the wait is over for the Manners or McMillan stock and then have it bedded. Make sense?

Also, do the various DBM setups (AICS mags) work well with the 6.5X47? Only DBM setup I ever had before was the Badger on my .308 GAP Harbinger.
 
#35
Re: .308 or 6.5x47 For My Short/Light Build?

I could be wrong, I haven't weighed it. Wait a week til I get home.


Mine is standard fill. I also have an EDGE stock.
 
#36
Re: .308 or 6.5x47 For My Short/Light Build?

You might even try a H-S Precision M24 with the Vertical grip or just the regualr palm swell grip. Its a great alternative to the B&C (Owned both)and feels great.

Bruno's Shooting Supply has quite a few McM stocks for sale so you might call and ask if he has what your looking for.

McMillan might even have a stock your looking for that some one never wound up buying. You never know you might get lucky.

The 6.5x47 should work fine w/ a .308 Mag. Never shot the round but I have seen several guys at competitions using them w/ AICS mags.
 
#37
Re: .308 or 6.5x47 For My Short/Light Build?

Just talked with McMillan and Manners. Weights are as follows:
McM A1-3 or HTG standard fill 36 oz
MCM A1-3 or HTG "Edge" ~25 oz
Manners MCS-T3 Standard 41.6 oz
Manners MCS-T3 "90% Carbon Fiber" ~35 oz

 
#38
Re: .308 or 6.5x47 For My Short/Light Build?

Alright, here's the final configuration for my 6.5X47Lapua build:

-McMillan A1-3 Stock in "Edge" Construction 2 flushcups and a bipod stud painted Flat Dark Earth
-Surgeon DBM Bottom Metal
-Remmy Action
-Rifle Basix Trigger at 2.5 pounds
-18.5 inch Lilja 3 groove 8 twist
-Remmy Sendero/Varmint Contour Fluted and threaded for my Omega
-PTG Lug
-TPS aluminum base and rings
-Viper PST 4x16x50 FFP MOA (on order since January)
-Bushed firing pin hole
-Hunter-size bolt knob
-Coated in Tan CeraKote

Gonna have Jon go ahead and build it and will shoot it for now in the B&C stock until the wait time on the McMillan is over. Then I'll send it all back to Jon for bedding and the Surgeon bottom metal. Based on the advertised weights of many of the items plus some good old fashioned bubba math, I'm thinking the whole package will be just a hair over 10 pounds optics/suppressor and all.
 
#40
Re: .308 or 6.5x47 For My Short/Light Build?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: moore_ man</div><div class="ubbcode-body">well done sir. </div></div>

Thanks MM. The project just took a quantum leap forward this week. I ended up buying a Surgeon 591 Action! Everything has been ordered so now let the WAITING (for the stock) begin. Looks like I should have it all finished sometime in April. So now the final (and I really mean final this time) specs are:

-McMillan A1-3 Stock in "Edge" Construction 2 flushcups and a bipod stud painted Flat Dark Earth
-Surgeon DBM Bottom Metal
-<span style="font-weight: bold">Surgeon 591 Action</span>
-Shilen Trigger at 2.5 pounds
-18.5 inch Lilja 3 groove 8 twist
-Sendero/Varmint Contour Fluted and threaded for my Omega
-Viper PST 4x16x50 FFP MOA (on order since January)
-Bushed firing pin hole
-Coated in Tan CeraKote
 
#41
Re: .308 or 6.5x47 For My Short/Light Build?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bevan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have a 20" 6.5x47 that I will be doing loads for in 2 weeks. </div></div>

Hey Bevan. You get a chance to try out those new loads in that 20 incher yet? Did your buddy ever launch any 123 gr stuff out of that 18.5 inch suppressed rig? I'd be interested to know what velocity he was getting.

Things are coming together here. When I pick up my Surgeon action this afternoon, I'll have everything except a stock. Waiting sucks!
 
#43
Re: .308 or 6.5x47 For My Short/Light Build?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Julien</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Try a 260 Rem or 6.5x55
the 260 use the same case than 308 and is most versatile with several bullet weight 123-142gr

The 6,5x47 is expansive and capricous

Read some Zac Smith articles
http://demigodllc.com/articles.php </div></div>

Thanks Julien. I read several of his articles and have decided it's gonna be the 6.5x47 anyway. I like the efficiency of the cartridge as well as the low recoil aspect (not that the .260 is a hard kicker - LOL). Already have brass and dies. Just waiting on the McMillan stock.
 
#45
Re: .308 or 6.5x47 For My Short/Light Build?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Scoop</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Just talked with McMillan and Manners. Weights are as follows:
McM A1-3 or HTG standard fill 36 oz
MCM A1-3 or HTG "Edge" ~25 oz
Manners MCS-T3 Standard 41.6 oz
Manners MCS-T3 "90% Carbon Fiber" ~35 oz

</div></div>

good info to know
 
#47
Re: .308 or 6.5x47 For My Short/Light Build?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: beretta_man11</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Scoop- Is it done yet?? </div></div>

Still waiting on the McMickey stock. Ordered it middle of December so I should have it by mid March. Got everything else. Just need the stock. I figure I should have it all done sometime in April. Did I mention that I HATE waiting?!!!
 
#48
Re: .308 or 6.5x47 For My Short/Light Build?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jcwarrior87</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am interested as well, I have a 18.5" 6.5x47 in the works too. </div></div>

Hey jcw, what are the specs on your 18.5 inch build? Who's gonna do the work for you?
 
#49
Re: .308 or 6.5x47 For My Short/Light Build?

I am going to use a tac 30, a 8.5 twist Set up as a no turn .294(i believe is the reamer size) M40 contour benchmark barrel bed it in to a hs stock(for starters maybe a change later) with M5 DBM. I have a local smith that I will be using, but his work is AMAZING! Now it is just a question of when the parts show up, I don't expect to have them all until mid summer.
 
#50
Re: .308 or 6.5x47 For My Short/Light Build?

I run a 20" x47
its the cats ass
123 scenar @2900fps OAL 2.750 42.8 re17

I wud skip the scenars and just run 123amax, shoot me a pm i have 500 HBN coated 123scenar i can let go.
 
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