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Bergara sucks ass, buyer beware.

I had an AW years ago, sold it and regretted it ever since, so I grabbed this one from a great member on here. These sticks are so sexy.

I'd give it my absolute best shot if given the chance. She's loaded. Of course, I say the same thing about Oprah.

So I should lose more money practically giving this thing away at a price somebody will actually buy the piece of crap because it doesn’t meet the guarantee?

How about FUCK NO!
Keep the fucking thing and move on
 
I don't think the QC screws ever touch the tenon threads, I could be wrong but I suspect after a while it would gall the threads after multiple swaps.

Gas block and gas tube has no bearing on picatinny rail.

I still say that rail and epoxy piled under it are the problem, you can disagree all day, but that is a hack job and no one would recommend a 1/16" of epoxy to fix the mating surface of an action to picatinny rail.

I rarely see more than a thin film when I bed a picatinny rail, but then again, I am just a fudd.

Hopefully you will publish whatever this expert has to say about the rifle.

Curious, did you send the rail epoxied to action when you sent it to Bergara?
 
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I don't think the QC screws ever touch the tenon threads, I could be wrong but I suspect after a while it would gall the threads after multiple swaps.

Gas block and gas tube has no bearing on picatinny rail.

I still say that rail and epoxy piled under it are the problem, you can disagree all day, but that is a hack job and no one would recommend a 1/16" of epoxy to fix the mating surface of an action to picatinny rail.

I rarely see more than a thin film when I bed a picatinny rail, but then again, I am just a fudd.

Hopefully you will publish whatever this expert has to say about the rifle.

Curious, did you send the rail epoxied to action when you sent it to Bergara?

Then how else do you suggest building up the base so it sits straight on their fucked up receiver.
 
Comical but a bit sad to see this thread go 5 pages.
Thread title wording sometimes predicts, how its going to end up. If it had been "I am having trouble with this rifle" or something along that line it might have went totally different. But when its full on hate from the gate, this is what happens. Post # 142 nailed this thread like a ring shank in oak, or 260 amps of a 3/16 7018 doing a fillet
 
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In this conversation (post 110), bicycle boy makes the claim that he has "fired hundreds of thousands of rounds". Well, that's absolutely bullshit. Anyone who hasn't been in combat arms in the military, (while a republican was in office so there was an ammo budget), or been a highly sponsored competition shooter for 20 years or more, or has a job, like ammo testing for an ammo company has not come anywhere near shooting "hundreds of thousands of rounds of ammo", not even close.

And then in post 186 he claims "to have bedded hundreds of R700 rails".

Unless he's a very active gunsmith, (and he's not), that's another bold faced lie.

One in a million rifles have bedded rails, (mainly because it's a complete waste of time for almost every situation).

His dishonesty is apparent every time he sticks his head up out of the mud, for those paying attention.
 
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Took the rail off, shoots to factory specs. Put the rail back on, it doesn’t. Hmm….

I know this not to be the issue based on the compression strength of the pad, but let’s just assume for a moment that this is indeed causing the accuracy problems.

So I’ll ask you too, when the receiver is so out of spec that there has to be bedding built up to not warp the rail and in turn not bend the scope tube and fuck up mounting, what are you supposed to do? This has been common practice for decades and as I’ve said I’ve done it hundreds of times without issue.

Are you expected to have a gunsmith make a custom mount for a rifle that’s advertised as being compatible with R700 bases?

Even if you want to look at it from that angle it still points back to the fucking rifle being defective.

Back to the “issue” of the bedding pad on the front of the rail that has over 9000psi of compression strength, those two little 6-48 screws in the front have about 800psi of clamping force combined. I know it’s probably hard for your little brain to understand how both of these work but if you try really hard you might understand how those screws giving in some way (especially from stress from pulling the rail down and NOT being bedded) would cause an issue long before the bedding pad. Those little screws are the standard on R700’s and a lot of other rifles and other than in severe circumstances quite clearly are enough. Not to mention that front pad is also bonded to the action and has over 3100psi of tensile strength holding it together, or nearly 4 times the strength of those two little screws.

So please tell me more about how that bedding pad is causing my problems 😂
 
In this conversation (post 110), bicycle boy makes the claim that he has "fired hundreds of thousands of rounds". Well, that's absolutely bullshit. Anyone who hasn't been in combat arms in the military, (while a republican was in office so there was an ammo budget), or been a highly sponsored competition shooter for 20 years or more, or has a job, like ammo testing for an ammo company has not come anywhere near shooting "hundreds of thousands of rounds of ammo", not even close.

And then in post 186 he claims "to have bedded hundreds of R700 rails".

Unless he's a very active gunsmith, (and he's not), that's another bold faced lie.

One in a million rifles have bedded rails, (mainly because it's a complete waste of time for almost every situation).

His dishonesty is apparent every time he sticks his head up out of the mud, for those paying attention.
You forgot about Mike the Marine on that episode of Backfire.
 
In this conversation (post 110), bicycle boy makes the claim that he has "fired hundreds of thousands of rounds". Well, that's absolutely bullshit. Anyone who hasn't been in combat arms in the military, (while a republican was in office so there was an ammo budget), or been a highly sponsored competition shooter for 20 years or more, or has a job, like ammo testing for an ammo company has not come anywhere near shooting "hundreds of thousands of rounds of ammo", not even close.

And then in post 186 he claims "to have bedded hundreds of R700 rails".

Unless he's a very active gunsmith, (and he's not), that's another bold faced lie.

One in a million rifles have bedded rails, (mainly because it's a complete waste of time for almost every situation).

His dishonesty is apparent every time he sticks his head up out of the mud, for those paying attention.
I`ve been laboring under the impression that redneck was one of the top " standard bearers " for SH and a fixture in the SH pantheon of revered posters. Am I wrong? The level of vitriol directed towards him in this thread is more than a little surprising, at least to this low ranking SH member and admitted " poor ".
 
I`ve been laboring under the impression that redneck was one of the top " standard bearers " for SH and a fixture in the SH pantheon of revered posters. Am I wrong? The level of vitriol directed towards him in this thread is more than a little surprising, at least to this low ranking SH member and admitted " poor ".
I think he's an unbearable asshole personally. I think most people agree.
 
I`ve been laboring under the impression that redneck was one of the top " standard bearers " for SH and a fixture in the SH pantheon of revered posters. Am I wrong? The level of vitriol directed towards him in this thread is more than a little surprising, at least to this low ranking SH member and admitted " poor ".

It just goes to show how much of a mental challenge brand bias really is. There’s a lot of stupid people on the internet and as soon as you say something negative about a brand they’ve decided they like they flock in to defend what they see as an attack on their choices.
 
Or.....

You came here to trash a company, and while dozens of people with infinitely more knowledge than you have suggested unconventional solutions to attempt to help you, you've kicked dirt in every one of their faces. You didn't make this post for any other reason than to attempt to drag a manufacturer through the mud.

Bergara says it shoots .6 and .9 moa.

You say it's a pile of shit 4 moa rifle.

Most of us believe Bergara.
 
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The OP could be completely spot on with his assessment of his Bergara experience. But, his internet persona is that of a guy that would borrow your truck, put a dent in the fender, return it on an empty tank, tell you it’s a piece of shit, and inform you he needs it again next weekend. This is where the vitriol comes from.

LOL couldn’t be further off from the way I operate, but it’s always interesting hearing the perspectives from those offended by mere words.
 
It just goes to show how much of a mental challenge brand bias really is. There’s a lot of stupid people on the internet and as soon as you say something negative about a brand they’ve decided they like they flock in to defend what they see as an attack on their choices.
You do realize you are the only one on this thread that has bought three of them? It would seem you are the one with a hard on for Bergara.
 
LOL couldn’t be further off from the way I operate, but it’s always interesting hearing the perspectives from those offended by mere words.
About the way you operate? You opened that can. Tell the folks here about that Nightforce scope you sold as pristine to ASM1 years ago and refused to take it back after he inspected it? His vision about the way you operate, is much different than yours.
 
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About the way you operate? You opened that can. Tell the folks here about that Nightforce scope you sold as pristine to ASM 1 years ago and refused to take it back after he inspected it? His vision about the way you operate, is much different than yours.

The one that was clearly pictured in the sale ad and he either fucked up or wanted to exchange optics? That one? LOL

I haven’t had a single other sour deal. You’re welcome to check my feedback where I’ve sold a crap load of stuff on here since the system started and not one person has been unhappy with an item they received. So if misrepresenting stuff for sale is the way I operate, why does my feedback oppose that? And why would I not post this rifle up claiming it’s a 1/4moa gun and wash my hands of it?

Go fuck yourself.
 
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The one that was clearly pictured in the sale ad and he either fucked up or wanted to exchange optics? That one? LOL

I haven’t had a single other sour deal. You’re welcome to check my feedback where I’ve sold a crap load of stuff on here since the system started and not one person has been unhappy with an item they received. So if misrepresenting stuff for sale is the way I operate, why does my feedback oppose that? And why would I not post this rifle up claiming it’s a 1/4moa gun and wash my hands of it?

Go fuck yourself.
Keep digging.
 
I know this not to be the issue based on the compression strength of the pad, but let’s just assume for a moment that this is indeed causing the accuracy problems.

Did Bergara use their rail in their testing or yours?

Back to the “issue” of the bedding pad on the front of the rail that has over 9000psi of compression strength, those two little 6-48 screws in the front have about 800psi of clamping force combined.
Wonder what the force is under recoil on those tiny 6-48 screws sitting on a 9000psi pad of adhesive.

I still say, save yourself some money and borrow or buy another rail to try it.

And using a straight edge and feeler gauges is not the best way to measure something that's twisting in the wind.

I'd be willing to split the cost up if you are willing to take a chance. You send the rifle to anyone in this thread, bare rifle without the rail. If they cannot get it to shoot, I'll put money towards the original cost of the rifle, I am sure others will contribute. If the shoots, you donate it for a fundraising towards supporting the forum?
 
You do realize you are the only one on this thread that has bought three of them? It would seem you are the one with a hard on for Bergara.

Hell, I have never owned or even fondled one, but I am thinking about buying one just for spite
 
Did Bergara use their rail in their testing or yours?


Wonder what the force is under recoil on those tiny 6-48 screws sitting on a 9000psi pad of adhesive.

I still say, save yourself some money and borrow or buy another rail to try it.

And using a straight edge and feeler gauges is not the best way to measure something that's twisting in the wind.

Bergara used their own and the force on the screws under recoil is less than they wouldn’t have been on a non bedded rail just bolted to their out of spec action.

Actions deform under recoil, that doesn’t change regardless of the application. If you start with a rail that is stressed bolted on an out of spec receiver there will be issues. I really don’t get what is so hard to understand about this. It’s just people searching for anything to blame it on other than the rifle being fucked up.

Also, if the rail was fucked up from the bedding and causing an issue. Why did the rifle shoot two great groups with the barrel piping hot? Nobody can seem to see that and try to understand the potential issues from it. But yeah the rail that would still be an issue then if it was going to be the issue must be the problem.

This forum is full of fucking idiots who can’t read or understand things even when it’s spelled out for them.
 
Hole digging at its best.
Just so you know, Mike Brown, was also there when ASM1 unboxed that Nightforce.

Where was this Mike Brown (like I’m supposed to know who that is?) when ASM1 called me out claiming I didn’t send him what was advertised? Weird that guy never surfaced to validate his claims.

You’re the only one digging a hole here rehashing old shit that doesn’t even exist on the forum anymore trying to somehow invalidate my claims that this rifle is fucked up. Why has this never come up before in over a decade and you chose to bring it up now?
 
Maybe that lip mentioned in this post is causing the fit issue

Not speaking for Frank but I can share that we commonly have problems from Bergaras that are brought to our L.E. Basic and Advanced courses.

Two issues most consistent are scope base coming loose and extractors getting jammed up.

The scope base issue has included Bergaras that had them removed and reinstalled with LocTite. The issue is that they are putting a cheap ass Pic rail scope base on the guns that have no recoil lug to engage the receiver. So.....every shot results in the 4 mounting screws taking the shear load.

I can say that we also see this phenomenon with rifles other than Bergara rifles that use similar bases from EGW and others that have a slick bottom.

For comparison, look at the bottom of NightForce, Badger Ord, Seekins Precision and I think Area 419.
Those have a recoil lug or lip that is machined into the bottom which seats against the front edge of the ejection port on Rem 700 style receivers. They also have elongated/eliptical screw holes and countersinks that allow the base to be "seated" forward before tightening the 4 mounting screws. These bases cost more because they are more complicated to machine however they are properly designed to transfer the shear forces from recoil directly to the receiver.


Combination of heavy scopes (Ex. Gen II Razor ) + medium to light rifle + .308 Win or bigger chambering increases the likelihood of the cheap bases coming loose regardless of LocTite, etc.

ETA: MARS rails are notorious for this as well.

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Where was this Mike Brown (like I’m supposed to know who that is?) when ASM1 called me out claiming I didn’t send him what was advertised? Weird that guy never surfaced to validate his claims.

You’re the only one digging a hole here rehashing old shit that doesn’t even exist on the forum anymore trying to somehow invalidate my claims that this rifle is fucked up. Why has this never come up before in over a decade and you chose to bring it up now?

Your writing/ argument style reminds of Judcargile or maybe even Harry_x1. You didn’t get a new screen name did you?
 
Bergara used their own and the force on the screws under recoil is less than they wouldn’t have been on a non bedded rail just bolted to their out of spec action.

Actions deform under recoil, that doesn’t change regardless of the application. If you start with a rail that is stressed bolted on an out of spec receiver there will be issues. I really don’t get what is so hard to understand about this. It’s just people searching for anything to blame it on other than the rifle being fucked up.

Also, if the rail was fucked up from the bedding and causing an issue. Why did the rifle shoot two great groups with the barrel piping hot? Nobody can seem to see that and try to understand the potential issues from it. But yeah the rail that would still be an issue then if it was going to be the issue must be the problem.

This forum is full of fucking idiots who can’t read or understand things even when it’s spelled out for them.

I don’t think it’s the rail if it was bedded to the receiver. It’s a barrel issue. Bergara tested it with a different lot of ammo and if you have a crappy barrel this is the exact way it will react to different lots of ammo.
 
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Your writing/ argument style reminds of Judcargile or maybe even Harry_x1. You didn’t get a new screen name did you?

How liberal of you to be offended by grammar.

How low IQ of you to not even have to sense to click on my username and see that I’ve been a member here since 2005.

Fuck some of you amaze me.

I don’t think it’s the rail if it was bedded to the receiver. It’s a barrel issue. Bergara tested it with a different lot of ammo and if you have a crappy barrel this is the exact way it will react to different lots of ammo.

Holy shit, someone who’s not brain dead. I think that makes like a total of 5 people who have replied now.