Rifle Scopes Best 2-10 ish ffp

[GeoffatBurris]

I apologize for highjacking a thread about 2-10 scopes and turning it into a Burris reticle conversation.

We try to provide what the market wants, but you have to balance that with cost, licensing, engineering bandwidth, SKU proliferation, and potential size of market (2-10 tactical precision scopes are a small market slice). All of that is true for all optic companies, maybe more severe for Burris, since we are fairly small. I don't personally have anything to do with reticle decisions, but do pass along suggestions. Sky Leighton is the XTR product manager and he does read SH, and is very mcuh a part of this community, although he rarely posts. He will be at NRA show, and the Burris Team Challenge this summer -- show up and yell at him!

I now return you to your previous conversation, where you bash the quality of our glass and argue about whether it's 83 or 87% as good as scopes that cost twice as much...

 

[FireShooter]

I’m with PBWalsh. I would definitely be in on a XTR 2 2-10 or 3-15 with a G2B variation with hashes every half mil with full mils being taller and numbers above every other Mil 2,4,6 etc.

I’ve owned both the 3-15 and 2-10. I sold the 2-10 because to me the reticle didn’t fit my needs. I feel like the XTR 2 series is very good especially for the price. The SCR is fine and I grew to like it but to me half mils are sufficient for banging steel, whacking critters and I prefer less clutter. It would also be good in the veracity series, maybe expanding it to us mil users. I understand that we aren’t the desired market for that series but it’s a thought.

I find that my scope selection has become based more on tracking and reticle selection than anything else. I have not experienced a scope with glass so bad I missed a target due to glass. I have missed targets because I lost my reference point in the reticle due to too many hashes and full mils that aren’t numbered in higher winds.

Please pass it along to Sky for me as I can’t attend the aforementioned venues. I really do like the XTR 2 series of scopes and thats why I’m posting this. Thanks for being involved in the community and listening to us.

 

[koshkin]

I apologize for highjacking a thread about 2-10 scopes and turning it into a Burris reticle conversation.

We try to provide what the market wants, but you have to balance that with cost, licensing, engineering bandwidth, SKU proliferation, and potential size of market (2-10 tactical precision scopes are a small market slice). All of that is true for all optic companies, maybe more severe for Burris, since we are fairly small. I don't personally have anything to do with reticle decisions, but do pass along suggestions. Sky Leighton is the XTR product manager and he does read SH, and is very mcuh a part of this community, although he rarely posts. He will be at NRA show, and the Burris Team Challenge this summer -- show up and yell at him!

I now return you to your previous conversation, where you bash the quality of our glass and argue about whether it's 83 or 87% as good as scopes that cost twice as much...

That is totally wrong, Geoff. I thought that we had already covered that rather than making reticles that sell in the broader market place, you should be exclusively focusing on reticle designs that I like.

Oh, and I do yell at Sky once or twice a year. It is a testament to his good nature that he still talks to me. Or to masochism. Or he just enjoys telling me to go pound sand every once in a while (usually deservedly, but you didn't hear me say that).

ILya

 

[StenTheAwesome]

Going to add some 2 cents on here since the Tango 6 2-12x was listed. I picked up one with the idea to replace my trusty SWFA SS 3-9. I figure gaining illumination, zero stops, a better reticle, and locking / better turrets would be worth it at the expense of 10oz.

Just looking through these today. I have to say glass wise the little Japanese SWFA gave up nothing and maybe even had a slight edge on the Sig. The FOV at 9x was definitely better with the SWFA too. I might just throw some shims in it and call it a day.

Might be worth considering on your list if you haven't already.

 

[2bits]

I have to say glass wise the little Japanese SWFA gave up nothing and maybe even had a slight edge on the Sig.

If 3x zoom ratio works for the intended purpose, it's an easy call to make (at similar price points). Most people want a better zoom ratio, however, even at the expense of image quality, FOV, etc.

 

[JDMRN81]

I can never decide so I bought a few lol

eotech vudu 2.5-10
sig tango 6 2-12
xtr ii 2-10
viper hs lr 2.5-10

will find out which one I like best!

So which one did you decide to keep? I'm looking in the same mag range for my DD 5.56 (also considering the NX8 1-8).

 

[garmil]

Of those listed I think the Vudu easily had the best glass and eye box. I'm going to try a tango 6 gen 2 3-18 now as well.

 

[koshkin]

If 3x zoom ratio works for the intended purpose, it's an easy call to make (at similar price points). Most people want a better zoom ratio, however, even at the expense of image quality, FOV, etc.

I own two of those of SWFA SS 3-9x42 scopes: an early model with Mil-Dot and a more recent one with Mil-Quad. I buy and sell scopes all the time, since I like to try new stuff, but I have never been tempted to sell these two, which by itself should be an indication of how highly I think of them.

ILya