I'm new to this site and to forums in general (not on computer much). But my question is this. What is the best (or most recommended) caliber and then what rifle in that caliber for a range of 600 to 1000 yards? And please no answers like depends on the shooter, just give me some of your honest opinions. Thanks!
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Re: Best caliber/rifle for 600-1000 yards.
Honest opinion.... It depends on the shooter.
I know, I know that isn't what you wanted to hear but it is true. It depends on how and what you want to shoot. Are you just ringing steel or punching paper? Are you reloading or buying ammo? What is your budget? I could go on and on...
If you are new to the long range gig I would buy a Remington 700 VS or PSS in 308. Decent match ammo in 308 is easy to find and all the ballistic info is out there and easy to find. The 700 is inexpensive easy to work on and easy to resell when you want to move on.
Honest opinion.... It depends on the shooter.
I know, I know that isn't what you wanted to hear but it is true. It depends on how and what you want to shoot. Are you just ringing steel or punching paper? Are you reloading or buying ammo? What is your budget? I could go on and on...
If you are new to the long range gig I would buy a Remington 700 VS or PSS in 308. Decent match ammo in 308 is easy to find and all the ballistic info is out there and easy to find. The 700 is inexpensive easy to work on and easy to resell when you want to move on.
Re: Best caliber/rifle for 600-1000 yards.
308 for all around, 243/260 if you can afford new barrels and know what you are doing.
308 for all around, 243/260 if you can afford new barrels and know what you are doing.
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I am going to shoot things like coyotes at the 800-1000 yard range, texas deer at about 600 yards, and paper at the 600-1000 yard range. I have been shooting every weekend at ranges around 200 to 600 yards for about 14 years, my dad was in the Australian SAS and has taught me to shoot a rifle for 11 out of those 14 years. I just buy my ammo (I'm kinda lazy with that) from stores. My price range is up to $1500. Use that to determine what you think is the best rifle and caliber for me. Thanks.
I am going to shoot things like coyotes at the 800-1000 yard range, texas deer at about 600 yards, and paper at the 600-1000 yard range. I have been shooting every weekend at ranges around 200 to 600 yards for about 14 years, my dad was in the Australian SAS and has taught me to shoot a rifle for 11 out of those 14 years. I just buy my ammo (I'm kinda lazy with that) from stores. My price range is up to $1500. Use that to determine what you think is the best rifle and caliber for me. Thanks.
Re: Best caliber/rifle for 600-1000 yards.
I say .308
IF.. You can spend 1500.00 on the rifle WITHOUT Optics... Try to find you a FN SPR rifle. Its will serve you WELL and last a LONG time before you would have to do a barrel change.
It may be a tad heavy, but its really not that bad.
Matt.
I say .308
IF.. You can spend 1500.00 on the rifle WITHOUT Optics... Try to find you a FN SPR rifle. Its will serve you WELL and last a LONG time before you would have to do a barrel change.
It may be a tad heavy, but its really not that bad.
Matt.
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308 seems to be popular, and there is a good selection of LR bullets. 175gn FGMM seems to do well for those that don't roll their own. I agree with MM128. FN SPR is a great out of the box rifle, but that eats up your $1500 without scope or rings. CDNN is advertising the SPR for $1650 NIB. You can go a little cheaper with an FN PBR XP, which is basically an SPR without the McMillan stock or chrome bore. Lots of those on this board favor the Remington LTR, which has a very good rep as well.
Check the for sale sction on this board. Many a great rifle has been sold at a more than fair price, and most of the folks here are super to deal with.
308 seems to be popular, and there is a good selection of LR bullets. 175gn FGMM seems to do well for those that don't roll their own. I agree with MM128. FN SPR is a great out of the box rifle, but that eats up your $1500 without scope or rings. CDNN is advertising the SPR for $1650 NIB. You can go a little cheaper with an FN PBR XP, which is basically an SPR without the McMillan stock or chrome bore. Lots of those on this board favor the Remington LTR, which has a very good rep as well.
Check the for sale sction on this board. Many a great rifle has been sold at a more than fair price, and most of the folks here are super to deal with.
Re: Best caliber/rifle for 600-1000 yards.
What about the Sako TRG-22? I've just heard a few things about it. Are they any good for my purposes?
What about the Sako TRG-22? I've just heard a few things about it. Are they any good for my purposes?
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Coyote14</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am going to shoot things like coyotes at the 800-1000 yard range, texas deer at about 600 yards, and paper at the 600-1000 yard range. I have been shooting every weekend at ranges around 200 to 600 yards for about 14 years, my dad was in the Australian SAS and has taught me to shoot a rifle for 11 out of those 14 years. I just buy my ammo (I'm kinda lazy with that) from stores. My price range is up to $1500. Use THAT to determine the best rifle and caliber for me. Thanks.</div></div>
sounds like you should be teaching us.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Coyote14</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am going to shoot things like coyotes at the 800-1000 yard range, texas deer at about 600 yards, and paper at the 600-1000 yard range. I have been shooting every weekend at ranges around 200 to 600 yards for about 14 years, my dad was in the Australian SAS and has taught me to shoot a rifle for 11 out of those 14 years. I just buy my ammo (I'm kinda lazy with that) from stores. My price range is up to $1500. Use THAT to determine the best rifle and caliber for me. Thanks.</div></div>
sounds like you should be teaching us.
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Ha! Shooting isn't my problem, its knowing statistics and such. Which is why I don't know what rifle I should get for what I'm going to do.
Ha! Shooting isn't my problem, its knowing statistics and such. Which is why I don't know what rifle I should get for what I'm going to do.
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TRG is an awesome out of the box rifle. This would be more than a good start.
TRG is an awesome out of the box rifle. This would be more than a good start.
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"Let me try to understand you. You have been shooting every weekend out to 600 yards for 14 years, with apparent instruction for the last 11, but your asking what is the best caliber/rifle? How about this; shoot with whatever you have been shooting, just hold higher. I don't know too many people who have been shooting for the past 14 years and wants to ask which rifle/caliber to use." - Cpt John Paul Jones, USN
My dad and I normally just use rifles like 30.06 bolt action rifles, I don't explore with weapons that much. In the 14 years I've used three guns. A .270 Sako, and 2 30.06 remingtons. That is why I don't know what rifle I need for the farther ranges, I only use a limited amount of rifles normally and not very far.
"Let me try to understand you. You have been shooting every weekend out to 600 yards for 14 years, with apparent instruction for the last 11, but your asking what is the best caliber/rifle? How about this; shoot with whatever you have been shooting, just hold higher. I don't know too many people who have been shooting for the past 14 years and wants to ask which rifle/caliber to use." - Cpt John Paul Jones, USN
My dad and I normally just use rifles like 30.06 bolt action rifles, I don't explore with weapons that much. In the 14 years I've used three guns. A .270 Sako, and 2 30.06 remingtons. That is why I don't know what rifle I need for the farther ranges, I only use a limited amount of rifles normally and not very far.
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yeah.... I thought that too..
but I'll give benefit of doubt...
7-08 or 7-08 AI would do...
I'm a 308, 300wsm whore myself...
Did love the 7wsm though
yeah.... I thought that too..
but I'll give benefit of doubt...
7-08 or 7-08 AI would do...
I'm a 308, 300wsm whore myself...
Did love the 7wsm though
Re: Best caliber/rifle for 600-1000 yards.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Capt. John Paul Jones, USN</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You don't need to explore. You only need one rifle. Both the .30-06 and the .270 are more than adequate for what you want to do. Just get out there and start practicing using either rifle. </div></div>
I just don't think a .270 can safely kill a deer at 600-700 yards without the risk of it not penetrating enough. They are pretty small bullets.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Capt. John Paul Jones, USN</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You don't need to explore. You only need one rifle. Both the .30-06 and the .270 are more than adequate for what you want to do. Just get out there and start practicing using either rifle. </div></div>
I just don't think a .270 can safely kill a deer at 600-700 yards without the risk of it not penetrating enough. They are pretty small bullets.
Re: Best caliber/rifle for 600-1000 yards.
agree Coyote...
agree Coyote...
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Coyote14</div><div class="ubbcode-body">texas deer at about 600 yards</div></div>
wow, sounds like a pretty tough stalk.
be sure and keep the wind in your favor.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Coyote14</div><div class="ubbcode-body">texas deer at about 600 yards</div></div>
wow, sounds like a pretty tough stalk.
be sure and keep the wind in your favor.
Re: Best caliber/rifle for 600-1000 yards.
If you can hit yotes at 1000y under field conditions you should go shoot matches, and win.
If you can hit yotes at 1000y under field conditions you should go shoot matches, and win.
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Haha. This must be hard to believe, but when I said honest opinions I meant about the caliber and the rifle, not just in general.
Haha. This must be hard to believe, but when I said honest opinions I meant about the caliber and the rifle, not just in general.
Re: Best caliber/rifle for 600-1000 yards.
well, you are in a place where claims of such ability better be for real. This place is full of people who can talk the talk but back it up by walking the walk. So when you say you've been shooting to 600 yards for 14 yrs.. now would be the time to step up and show some proof of your ability. Otherwise .. well.....
well, you are in a place where claims of such ability better be for real. This place is full of people who can talk the talk but back it up by walking the walk. So when you say you've been shooting to 600 yards for 14 yrs.. now would be the time to step up and show some proof of your ability. Otherwise .. well.....
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If you want a picture it would take several weeks, I'm going to New Mexico to go snowboarding with friends in a few days. All I have time to do is ask about what scope is recommended for shooting out that far.
If you want a picture it would take several weeks, I'm going to New Mexico to go snowboarding with friends in a few days. All I have time to do is ask about what scope is recommended for shooting out that far.
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Honestly, whats with all this interrogation and accusing? 3 guns, old fashioned, never done much gun exploring. I never said my dad was a sniper either, he just has a lot of experience with long range shooting. Also a .270 and 30.06 are good up to 600 yards, past that I don't want to risk injuring a deer, so I have never used anything besides those because I have never needed too. Not to mention I never said I never had a clue, I had a few ideas and wanted to hear someone elses. I bow hunt just as much as a shoot, and my dad never gave me formal training just a lot of tips over the years as well as some other advice. And as I mentioned above I never said I was going to hit a coyote I said I might attempt to. I'm sorry I wasn't so descriptive with my backround with the whole shooting thing, I put it there for the guy that was wondering about any experience shooting I might have. So it isn't there for any reason other to as a tool to help someone determine the right rifle.
I mean god, I just wanted a few opinions not a full blown investigation/interrogation with only about two answers both to the caliber part of the question.
Honestly, whats with all this interrogation and accusing? 3 guns, old fashioned, never done much gun exploring. I never said my dad was a sniper either, he just has a lot of experience with long range shooting. Also a .270 and 30.06 are good up to 600 yards, past that I don't want to risk injuring a deer, so I have never used anything besides those because I have never needed too. Not to mention I never said I never had a clue, I had a few ideas and wanted to hear someone elses. I bow hunt just as much as a shoot, and my dad never gave me formal training just a lot of tips over the years as well as some other advice. And as I mentioned above I never said I was going to hit a coyote I said I might attempt to. I'm sorry I wasn't so descriptive with my backround with the whole shooting thing, I put it there for the guy that was wondering about any experience shooting I might have. So it isn't there for any reason other to as a tool to help someone determine the right rifle.
I mean god, I just wanted a few opinions not a full blown investigation/interrogation with only about two answers both to the caliber part of the question.
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For me, the "best" has been a 6.5/284 built on a Remington 700 short action. I've used this rifle for 600 and 1000 yard NRA LR competition for many wins. I have experience at 600 and 1000 yards with other accurate calibers/rifles, but none have felt as lazer like as the 6.5/284, and none have gotten me scores as high as I typically shoot with the 6.5/284. My rifle has a heavy 28 inch HS Precision tube, and a McMillan prone stock with full complement of adjustment devices. I mostly shoot with irons, but, on occasion, I've shot the rifle with a NF NXS 5.5-22x56 with good results.
For me, the "best" has been a 6.5/284 built on a Remington 700 short action. I've used this rifle for 600 and 1000 yard NRA LR competition for many wins. I have experience at 600 and 1000 yards with other accurate calibers/rifles, but none have felt as lazer like as the 6.5/284, and none have gotten me scores as high as I typically shoot with the 6.5/284. My rifle has a heavy 28 inch HS Precision tube, and a McMillan prone stock with full complement of adjustment devices. I mostly shoot with irons, but, on occasion, I've shot the rifle with a NF NXS 5.5-22x56 with good results.
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This is the advice I got when I got here so I will pass it along the same as it was to me and it worked out very well in my case
pick one of the names and numbers below give them a call and tell them what you would like to do they will let you know what you should be looking at for a rifle you will end up spending more then your budget but it will be money well spent
Jared @ Patriot Arms 706-367-8881
George @ GA Precision 816-221-1844
Randy @ R&D Precision 626-806-4389
This is the advice I got when I got here so I will pass it along the same as it was to me and it worked out very well in my case
pick one of the names and numbers below give them a call and tell them what you would like to do they will let you know what you should be looking at for a rifle you will end up spending more then your budget but it will be money well spent
Jared @ Patriot Arms 706-367-8881
George @ GA Precision 816-221-1844
Randy @ R&D Precision 626-806-4389
Re: Best caliber/rifle for 600-1000 yards.
A 308 would be a great choice for you, but so would be a heavy barrel 300 Win Mag, or 300 WSM. A Remington VLS or Sendero would be excellent. I would stay away from more exotic caliber choices for your first rifle, as you are limited in your caliber choice by not reloading, and not all calibers would have suitable LR factory loaded ammo available.
I know that several manufacturers offer 308, WSM and 300 WM Match ammo with the Sierra 190 Match HP over the counter. The ability to obtain ammunition will be a determining factor here.
Either way, these are great long range rigs that will come in at about half of your budget; and that will leave you some $$$ left over for good glass and a laser range finder. (hint)
Good luck with your pursuit of this challenging sport.
TC
A 308 would be a great choice for you, but so would be a heavy barrel 300 Win Mag, or 300 WSM. A Remington VLS or Sendero would be excellent. I would stay away from more exotic caliber choices for your first rifle, as you are limited in your caliber choice by not reloading, and not all calibers would have suitable LR factory loaded ammo available.
I know that several manufacturers offer 308, WSM and 300 WM Match ammo with the Sierra 190 Match HP over the counter. The ability to obtain ammunition will be a determining factor here.
Either way, these are great long range rigs that will come in at about half of your budget; and that will leave you some $$$ left over for good glass and a laser range finder. (hint)
Good luck with your pursuit of this challenging sport.
TC
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Man UP! shoot a M98 300wm geter done>
Man UP! shoot a M98 300wm geter done>
Re: Best caliber/rifle for 600-1000 yards.
If I was gonna shoot deer to 600 and yotes to 1000 I would go w/ a 7mm rem mag or wsm. There are new bullets out there that have extremely high b.c.'s for this caliber and they don't recoil much more than a .308 if you get a heavy barrel. Also w/ a good load and a 30mm scope you won't have to buy a canted base. Just my .02.
If I was gonna shoot deer to 600 and yotes to 1000 I would go w/ a 7mm rem mag or wsm. There are new bullets out there that have extremely high b.c.'s for this caliber and they don't recoil much more than a .308 if you get a heavy barrel. Also w/ a good load and a 30mm scope you won't have to buy a canted base. Just my .02.
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I would like to see anybody on this forum PROVE how good they are as a shooter,sniper,,Or anything
..
Pictures and video is almost useless IMO.
You just have to take peoples word for it.There is no way to prove anything.
I just don't get what the point of trying to prove anything on a forum.
Its just discusions and appinions.
I know some guys that are excellent shooters that have not fired many rifles.They are Excellent hunters and take there deer every year.Using rifles like 30-30 etc.
Alot of those kind of guys make what they have work,Learning through years of experience using NOT the "best" gear for the job..They can take a deer at will anywere.ONE I know goes for the larger bucks and has a couple records.He can stalk and shoot under hard conditions that I could not even dream of pulling off.I suck at hunting anyways
I know this discussion is long range and that changes things alot ,But in general...If you can shoot,You can shoot..It does not mean you have to have, or know what the best rifle is for that use.
Choosing the best gear is not always easy if you don't spend alot of time reading info in mags and forums or going to long range shooting events,,Or talking to long range hunters.
Forums are for questions,oppinions and answers.
Not for proving anything like shooting ability.
No offense to anyone.
JMO
I would like to see anybody on this forum PROVE how good they are as a shooter,sniper,,Or anything
Pictures and video is almost useless IMO.
You just have to take peoples word for it.There is no way to prove anything.
I just don't get what the point of trying to prove anything on a forum.
Its just discusions and appinions.
I know some guys that are excellent shooters that have not fired many rifles.They are Excellent hunters and take there deer every year.Using rifles like 30-30 etc.
Alot of those kind of guys make what they have work,Learning through years of experience using NOT the "best" gear for the job..They can take a deer at will anywere.ONE I know goes for the larger bucks and has a couple records.He can stalk and shoot under hard conditions that I could not even dream of pulling off.I suck at hunting anyways
I know this discussion is long range and that changes things alot ,But in general...If you can shoot,You can shoot..It does not mean you have to have, or know what the best rifle is for that use.
Choosing the best gear is not always easy if you don't spend alot of time reading info in mags and forums or going to long range shooting events,,Or talking to long range hunters.
Forums are for questions,oppinions and answers.
Not for proving anything like shooting ability.
No offense to anyone.
JMO
Re: Best caliber/rifle for 600-1000 yards.
Well, credentials/scores can certainly be used as facts in "proving" someone knows how to shoot. For example, every time I come off the firing line, I have a score for all to see. The score serves as a benchmark regarding my ability realitive to others who shot in that particular tournament. I use these scores to appraise how I'm doing since, as far as I know, nobody but me cares about my scores.
At any rate, folks here are free to give and accept advice from whom they choose. I list my credentials as an aid to those who are seeking advice to suggest that my advice is sin cera.
Well, credentials/scores can certainly be used as facts in "proving" someone knows how to shoot. For example, every time I come off the firing line, I have a score for all to see. The score serves as a benchmark regarding my ability realitive to others who shot in that particular tournament. I use these scores to appraise how I'm doing since, as far as I know, nobody but me cares about my scores.
At any rate, folks here are free to give and accept advice from whom they choose. I list my credentials as an aid to those who are seeking advice to suggest that my advice is sin cera.
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My question would be is what are you using for a scope now?? Are you using hold over to shoot to 600yds or are you dialing??
If your wanting to shoot animals at long range you better get a magnum because you owe it to the animal you hunt to make a clean kill.
Shooting animals at long range is an ego thing in my opinion. Stalk closer and make a clean kill. Shoot paper and steel at 600+ yards not animals.
My question would be is what are you using for a scope now?? Are you using hold over to shoot to 600yds or are you dialing??
If your wanting to shoot animals at long range you better get a magnum because you owe it to the animal you hunt to make a clean kill.
Shooting animals at long range is an ego thing in my opinion. Stalk closer and make a clean kill. Shoot paper and steel at 600+ yards not animals.
Re: Best caliber/rifle for 600-1000 yards.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: raptor99</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
If your wanting to shoot animals at long range you better get a magnum because you owe it to the animal you hunt to make a clean kill.
Shooting animals at long range is an ego thing in my opinion. Stalk closer and make a clean kill. Shoot paper and steel at 600+ yards not animals.
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Um, without pissing on this thread.. yeah.. um.. so not true...
magnum not necessary, and the 600 yards thing..
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: raptor99</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
If your wanting to shoot animals at long range you better get a magnum because you owe it to the animal you hunt to make a clean kill.
Shooting animals at long range is an ego thing in my opinion. Stalk closer and make a clean kill. Shoot paper and steel at 600+ yards not animals.
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Um, without pissing on this thread.. yeah.. um.. so not true...
magnum not necessary, and the 600 yards thing..
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Again,,Showing me a score or piece of paper proves nothing.Im not saying anybody can or can't shoot well.Hunt or hunt well at long ranges.
I just feel it makes no sence to tell someone to prove something is true, or made up over the internet..
The ones that can really shoot don't have to prove anything.
Im just saying that someone can be an Excellent shooter and hunter from only being exposed to ONE rifle or 3..
So someone asking for advice on a long range specialised rig but not knowing much about them, does not sound false to me..
Most of the time the person who only has one rifle usually makes the most of it and is far better with that rifle(shot consistency,trigger control,and hunting skill with it) than someone with many... no matter what the quality,design,,OR cost is IMO.
JMO(and Not alot of experience to back it up
)308 would probably be best because of the over the counter options.
I would choose 223 because I am a wimp with recoil..If handloading was an option,I would go with something in 6mm-6.5mm if you want better BC and speed..
AR15 would be my 1st pick for coyotes.But I am not a good hunter so what the hell do I know.
I would never think of hitting a deer far away unless it was drugged so it can't move when I take the shot .Thats me , my skill level,,And fear of not making a clean kill.
I do believe I can target shoot O.K. But I am virgin to longer ranges than 625 yards..
If you are sure recoil won't bother your ability to shoot, you have alot more options.
Again,,Showing me a score or piece of paper proves nothing.Im not saying anybody can or can't shoot well.Hunt or hunt well at long ranges.
I just feel it makes no sence to tell someone to prove something is true, or made up over the internet..
The ones that can really shoot don't have to prove anything.
Im just saying that someone can be an Excellent shooter and hunter from only being exposed to ONE rifle or 3..
So someone asking for advice on a long range specialised rig but not knowing much about them, does not sound false to me..
Most of the time the person who only has one rifle usually makes the most of it and is far better with that rifle(shot consistency,trigger control,and hunting skill with it) than someone with many... no matter what the quality,design,,OR cost is IMO.
JMO(and Not alot of experience to back it up
I would choose 223 because I am a wimp with recoil..If handloading was an option,I would go with something in 6mm-6.5mm if you want better BC and speed..
AR15 would be my 1st pick for coyotes.But I am not a good hunter so what the hell do I know.
I would never think of hitting a deer far away unless it was drugged so it can't move when I take the shot
I do believe I can target shoot O.K. But I am virgin to longer ranges than 625 yards..
If you are sure recoil won't bother your ability to shoot, you have alot more options.
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Funny how I list a vague fact to help one guy determine the best caliber for me, and this entire thread turns into a debate about people having credibility and how they should prove it.
Funny how I list a vague fact to help one guy determine the best caliber for me, and this entire thread turns into a debate about people having credibility and how they should prove it.
Re: Best caliber/rifle for 600-1000 yards.
WyoWisper,
Don't take me wrong, I know and you know there are a lot of hunters out there that can take big game at long ranges but not the "Average" hunter.
I shoot several times a week when possible and the targets start at 500yds and go on out. I was just saying that I don't feel the average hunter should shoot much past 300yds. I should have made my post clearer, sorry for any misunderstanding.
WyoWisper,
Don't take me wrong, I know and you know there are a lot of hunters out there that can take big game at long ranges but not the "Average" hunter.
I shoot several times a week when possible and the targets start at 500yds and go on out. I was just saying that I don't feel the average hunter should shoot much past 300yds. I should have made my post clearer, sorry for any misunderstanding.
Re: Best caliber/rifle for 600-1000 yards.
If you won't reload, .308 is about the only sensible choice. Black Hills does make good LR ammo for the 300 WinMag though, and maybe some 6.5-284 out there.
Coyotes at 1K sounds cool, but in the real world you will rarely even be able to see a coyote at that distance.
If you won't reload, .308 is about the only sensible choice. Black Hills does make good LR ammo for the 300 WinMag though, and maybe some 6.5-284 out there.
Coyotes at 1K sounds cool, but in the real world you will rarely even be able to see a coyote at that distance.
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Okay it's established that it should be a .308, but what about the actual rifle? TRG looks promising.
Okay it's established that it should be a .308, but what about the actual rifle? TRG looks promising.
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Coyote...for the money, the new Rem 700 Varmint 308, with a street price less than $500, is a very good performer. It can always be tweaked later as your skills improve. It is just a basic factory rifle, but aren't they all?
You could spend a lot more and not receive as much value. Shooting over the counter ammo will likely not utilize the full potential of that rifle, and a custom would be even more so.
TC
Coyote...for the money, the new Rem 700 Varmint 308, with a street price less than $500, is a very good performer. It can always be tweaked later as your skills improve. It is just a basic factory rifle, but aren't they all?
You could spend a lot more and not receive as much value. Shooting over the counter ammo will likely not utilize the full potential of that rifle, and a custom would be even more so.
TC
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If you're not willing to reload, no sense going high dollar on the rifle. Factory ammo will be the limiting factor.
If you're not willing to reload, no sense going high dollar on the rifle. Factory ammo will be the limiting factor.
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In my area the TRG costs 2k without options which on the Sako are EXPENSIVE! Maybe that isn't the case outside Kalifornia. Did you say the overall budget is $1500 or is that just for the rifle?
I think the 300WM should get the nod if you need to hunt at distance with it. It can be had from several ammo MFG's in match form, and many more varieties with good (slippery) hunting bullets.
In my area the TRG costs 2k without options which on the Sako are EXPENSIVE! Maybe that isn't the case outside Kalifornia. Did you say the overall budget is $1500 or is that just for the rifle?
I think the 300WM should get the nod if you need to hunt at distance with it. It can be had from several ammo MFG's in match form, and many more varieties with good (slippery) hunting bullets.
Re: Best caliber/rifle for 600-1000 yards.
the $1500 is for the rifle, not including optics and such.
the $1500 is for the rifle, not including optics and such.
Re: Best caliber/rifle for 600-1000 yards.
I do not know much about long-range target shooting and could not suggest a rifle for your described purpose. I have been hunting in West Texas my whole life. I have no idea how many coyotes and deer I have killed. I can't imagine whacking coyotes at 800 yards in a mesquite pasture. I don't think I have ever seen a coyote at that distance. Generally you get a quick glimpse of a coyote moving pretty quick at sundown. If you miss with your first shot you won't get a second. Most of my coyote kills have been within 200 yards with a 243. I carried a 243 in the truck and fired out the window. Loud but effective. As far as deer are concerned I don't think I have shot at a deer at over 300 yards. Most of the time my shots have been less than 150 yards. I have spotted deer at distances well over 300 yards but have always been able to work around for a closer shot. I can't see much reason to shoot at deer at the distances you suggest. I do understand the desire to shoot things at long-range. It is great fun. I just hate the thought of not making a clean kill and leaving the clean-up to the coyotes. I would suggest you concentrate on getting closer to the deer and just take what you can get with the coyotes.
WCR
I do not know much about long-range target shooting and could not suggest a rifle for your described purpose. I have been hunting in West Texas my whole life. I have no idea how many coyotes and deer I have killed. I can't imagine whacking coyotes at 800 yards in a mesquite pasture. I don't think I have ever seen a coyote at that distance. Generally you get a quick glimpse of a coyote moving pretty quick at sundown. If you miss with your first shot you won't get a second. Most of my coyote kills have been within 200 yards with a 243. I carried a 243 in the truck and fired out the window. Loud but effective. As far as deer are concerned I don't think I have shot at a deer at over 300 yards. Most of the time my shots have been less than 150 yards. I have spotted deer at distances well over 300 yards but have always been able to work around for a closer shot. I can't see much reason to shoot at deer at the distances you suggest. I do understand the desire to shoot things at long-range. It is great fun. I just hate the thought of not making a clean kill and leaving the clean-up to the coyotes. I would suggest you concentrate on getting closer to the deer and just take what you can get with the coyotes.
WCR
Re: Best caliber/rifle for 600-1000 yards.
Take a look at the FN SPRs in 308 or 300wsm
Take a look at the FN SPRs in 308 or 300wsm
Re: Best caliber/rifle for 600-1000 yards.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Coyote14</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ha! Shooting isn't my problem, its knowing statistics and such. Which is why I don't know what rifle I should get for what I'm going to do. </div></div>
Man.. shooting for 14 years, you dont know JACK!!
Not bragging but Ive been shooting for under 2yrs, I reload for 6 different calibers. I have 4 rifles and 2 pistols. I dont understand how you can be "such a good shooter" and still not know anymore than you do.
Tell me what a .308win can do, that a .30-.06 cant do a little better anyways..?
If I was you and I really felt the need for a new rifle I would deffinatly get the Remy700SPS varmint and upgrade it later.
BtW taking a 600 yard shot at a deer is lame.. sneek up on-em its way more fun..
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Coyote14</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ha! Shooting isn't my problem, its knowing statistics and such. Which is why I don't know what rifle I should get for what I'm going to do. </div></div>
Man.. shooting for 14 years, you dont know JACK!!
Not bragging but Ive been shooting for under 2yrs, I reload for 6 different calibers. I have 4 rifles and 2 pistols. I dont understand how you can be "such a good shooter" and still not know anymore than you do.
Tell me what a .308win can do, that a .30-.06 cant do a little better anyways..?
If I was you and I really felt the need for a new rifle I would deffinatly get the Remy700SPS varmint and upgrade it later.
BtW taking a 600 yard shot at a deer is lame.. sneek up on-em its way more fun..
Re: Best caliber/rifle for 600-1000 yards.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dirknar</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Coyote14</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ha! Shooting isn't my problem, its knowing statistics and such. Which is why I don't know what rifle I should get for what I'm going to do. </div></div>
Man.. shooting for 14 years, you dont know JACK!!
Not bragging but Ive been shooting for under 2yrs, I reload for 6 different calibers. I have 4 rifles and 2 pistols. I dont understand how you can be "such a good shooter" and still not know anymore than you do.
Tell me what a .308win can do, that a .30-.06 cant do a little better anyways..?
If I was you and I really felt the need for a new rifle I would deffinatly get the Remy700SPS varmint and upgrade it later.
BtW taking a 600 yard shot at a deer is lame.. sneek up on-em its way more fun.. </div></div>
First off, it's obvious that you really enjoy shooting, I never got into it that much just kinda liked shooting, not getting stuff for shooting or shooting different things, just shooting my buddies, .270 and 30.06. Second, I can't tell you what a .308 can do but once I get one I'll catch up with you on that. Third, I sneek up on them when I bowhunt, not when I shoot.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dirknar</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Coyote14</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ha! Shooting isn't my problem, its knowing statistics and such. Which is why I don't know what rifle I should get for what I'm going to do. </div></div>
Man.. shooting for 14 years, you dont know JACK!!
Not bragging but Ive been shooting for under 2yrs, I reload for 6 different calibers. I have 4 rifles and 2 pistols. I dont understand how you can be "such a good shooter" and still not know anymore than you do.
Tell me what a .308win can do, that a .30-.06 cant do a little better anyways..?
If I was you and I really felt the need for a new rifle I would deffinatly get the Remy700SPS varmint and upgrade it later.
BtW taking a 600 yard shot at a deer is lame.. sneek up on-em its way more fun.. </div></div>
First off, it's obvious that you really enjoy shooting, I never got into it that much just kinda liked shooting, not getting stuff for shooting or shooting different things, just shooting my buddies, .270 and 30.06. Second, I can't tell you what a .308 can do but once I get one I'll catch up with you on that. Third, I sneek up on them when I bowhunt, not when I shoot.
Re: Best caliber/rifle for 600-1000 yards.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Coyote14</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dirknar</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Coyote14</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ha! Shooting isn't my problem, its knowing statistics and such. Which is why I don't know what rifle I should get for what I'm going to do. </div></div>
Man.. shooting for 14 years, you dont know JACK!!
Not bragging but Ive been shooting for under 2yrs, I reload for 6 different calibers. I have 4 rifles and 2 pistols. I dont understand how you can be "such a good shooter" and still not know anymore than you do.
Tell me what a .308win can do, that a .30-.06 cant do a little better anyways..?
If I was you and I really felt the need for a new rifle I would deffinatly get the Remy700SPS varmint and upgrade it later.
BtW taking a 600 yard shot at a deer is lame.. sneek up on-em its way more fun.. </div></div>
First off, it's obvious that you really enjoy shooting, I never got into it that much just kinda liked shooting, not getting stuff for shooting or shooting different things, just shooting my buddies, .270 and 30.06. Second, I can't tell you what a .308 can do but once I get one I'll catch up with you on that. Third, I sneek up on them when I bowhunt, not when I shoot. </div></div>
sweet..My bad.. pRops.. to a bow-hunta..
Look at the balistics of different calibers and make your own choice. You can find endless data on different calibers online. If I was you I would look at the data on the .300win or .300WSM. google different load data, and start reloading thats the only way your going to start learning for yourself.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Coyote14</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dirknar</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Coyote14</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ha! Shooting isn't my problem, its knowing statistics and such. Which is why I don't know what rifle I should get for what I'm going to do. </div></div>
Man.. shooting for 14 years, you dont know JACK!!
Not bragging but Ive been shooting for under 2yrs, I reload for 6 different calibers. I have 4 rifles and 2 pistols. I dont understand how you can be "such a good shooter" and still not know anymore than you do.
Tell me what a .308win can do, that a .30-.06 cant do a little better anyways..?
If I was you and I really felt the need for a new rifle I would deffinatly get the Remy700SPS varmint and upgrade it later.
BtW taking a 600 yard shot at a deer is lame.. sneek up on-em its way more fun.. </div></div>
First off, it's obvious that you really enjoy shooting, I never got into it that much just kinda liked shooting, not getting stuff for shooting or shooting different things, just shooting my buddies, .270 and 30.06. Second, I can't tell you what a .308 can do but once I get one I'll catch up with you on that. Third, I sneek up on them when I bowhunt, not when I shoot. </div></div>
sweet..My bad.. pRops.. to a bow-hunta..
Look at the balistics of different calibers and make your own choice. You can find endless data on different calibers online. If I was you I would look at the data on the .300win or .300WSM. google different load data, and start reloading thats the only way your going to start learning for yourself.
Re: Best caliber/rifle for 600-1000 yards.
Poor coyotes,
And coyote14 .I couldn't resist
Poor coyotes,
And coyote14
Re: Best caliber/rifle for 600-1000 yards.
I have been shooting every weekend at ranges around 200 to 600 yards for about 14 years, my dad was in the Australian SAS and has taught me to shoot a rifle for 11 out of those 14 years.
I never got into it that much just kinda liked shooting, not getting stuff for shooting or shooting different things, just shooting my buddies, .270 and 30.06.
Ok maybe this is true, maybe you did just do something for the last 14yrs every weekend just for the hell of it. I can only think of one thing I have done that long everyweekend, mowing the lawn, and not know any more about it than this. So your distances might be a bit unrealistic for hunting from the people here who have done it in that location. So answer is, Nothing your .270 or 30-06 with the right ammo is going to get you any further than you already are now. Cause chances are you wont get anything out of the next rifle that you havent already got. So untill you reload or get more serious about your shooting game, ie. learning, your just money ahead right now. Take it for what its worth.
I have been shooting every weekend at ranges around 200 to 600 yards for about 14 years, my dad was in the Australian SAS and has taught me to shoot a rifle for 11 out of those 14 years.
I never got into it that much just kinda liked shooting, not getting stuff for shooting or shooting different things, just shooting my buddies, .270 and 30.06.
Ok maybe this is true, maybe you did just do something for the last 14yrs every weekend just for the hell of it. I can only think of one thing I have done that long everyweekend, mowing the lawn, and not know any more about it than this. So your distances might be a bit unrealistic for hunting from the people here who have done it in that location. So answer is, Nothing your .270 or 30-06 with the right ammo is going to get you any further than you already are now. Cause chances are you wont get anything out of the next rifle that you havent already got. So untill you reload or get more serious about your shooting game, ie. learning, your just money ahead right now. Take it for what its worth.
Re: Best caliber/rifle for 600-1000 yards.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Coyote14</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Honestly, whats with all this interrogation and accusing? 3 guns, old fashioned, never done much gun exploring. I never said my dad was a sniper either, he just has a lot of experience with long range shooting. Also a .270 and 30.06 are good up to 600 yards, past that I don't want to risk injuring a deer, so I have never used anything besides those because I have never needed too. Not to mention I never said I never had a clue, I had a few ideas and wanted to hear someone elses. I bow hunt just as much as a shoot, and my dad never gave me formal training just a lot of tips over the years as well as some other advice. And as I mentioned above I never said I was going to hit a coyote I said I might attempt to. I'm sorry I wasn't so descriptive with my backround with the whole shooting thing, I put it there for the guy that was wondering about any experience shooting I might have. So it isn't there for any reason other to as a tool to help someone determine the right rifle.
I mean god, I just wanted a few opinions not a full blown investigation/interrogation with only about two answers both to the caliber part of the question. </div></div>
Just sayin, we got two pages on this thread, 40 something posts, and out of ALL of those there are about 6 that have to do with the point of the thread, the others are all yelling at me saying I'm lying. Maybe I should change my name move to another country. THEN come back and ask a simple single question and actually getting an answer.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Coyote14</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Honestly, whats with all this interrogation and accusing? 3 guns, old fashioned, never done much gun exploring. I never said my dad was a sniper either, he just has a lot of experience with long range shooting. Also a .270 and 30.06 are good up to 600 yards, past that I don't want to risk injuring a deer, so I have never used anything besides those because I have never needed too. Not to mention I never said I never had a clue, I had a few ideas and wanted to hear someone elses. I bow hunt just as much as a shoot, and my dad never gave me formal training just a lot of tips over the years as well as some other advice. And as I mentioned above I never said I was going to hit a coyote I said I might attempt to. I'm sorry I wasn't so descriptive with my backround with the whole shooting thing, I put it there for the guy that was wondering about any experience shooting I might have. So it isn't there for any reason other to as a tool to help someone determine the right rifle.
I mean god, I just wanted a few opinions not a full blown investigation/interrogation with only about two answers both to the caliber part of the question. </div></div>
Just sayin, we got two pages on this thread, 40 something posts, and out of ALL of those there are about 6 that have to do with the point of the thread, the others are all yelling at me saying I'm lying. Maybe I should change my name move to another country. THEN come back and ask a simple single question and actually getting an answer.
Re: Best caliber/rifle for 600-1000 yards.
Coyote 14,
I hope I did not offend you with my post. I did not comment regarding rifle choice because most of the guys posting here are far more knowledgible than I. I am familiar with coyotes and deer. I thnik it will be very difficult to achieve your goals regarding coyotes and deer regardless of the rifle/caliber. I would hate to see you drop $1500 and not be able to do what you are describing. No offense meant, just my opinion.
WCR
Coyote 14,
I hope I did not offend you with my post. I did not comment regarding rifle choice because most of the guys posting here are far more knowledgible than I. I am familiar with coyotes and deer. I thnik it will be very difficult to achieve your goals regarding coyotes and deer regardless of the rifle/caliber. I would hate to see you drop $1500 and not be able to do what you are describing. No offense meant, just my opinion.
WCR
Re: Best caliber/rifle for 600-1000 yards.
Stop wineing like a bitch. You asked a very general question with no real answer.
Shoot the 30-06 you have been using for 14 years. You won't have to learn a new rifle. 30-06 is as good as anything at 1000 yards with over the counter ammo.
Stop wineing like a bitch. You asked a very general question with no real answer.
Shoot the 30-06 you have been using for 14 years. You won't have to learn a new rifle. 30-06 is as good as anything at 1000 yards with over the counter ammo.
Re: Best caliber/rifle for 600-1000 yards.
None taken man, as I asked first I just want an honest opinion which you gave, thank you. I plan to get as good with the rifle as humanly possible . But I really want to be able to be good with a good rifle not good with an okay rifle.
None taken man, as I asked first I just want an honest opinion which you gave, thank you. I plan to get as good with the rifle as humanly possible
