What scopes have given you the best image with clip on thermals?
I know mx8 2.5-20 works great
one if you hoodlums said a vortex 1-10 works very well?
I know mx8 2.5-20 works great
one if you hoodlums said a vortex 1-10 works very well?
A ZCO 2-16 would probably work awesomeA few of our customers including Licentia Arms who is an NV dealer absolutely loves the ZC420 with clip ons
1.7 works fine. Only the UTC line is lower than 1.5 and you aren't going to lose anything in translation.Everyone seems to love the razor gen3.
Minor hijack but since you guys have owned pretty much every clip-on hopefully I can avoid posting another dumb thread. I'm getting ready to order a g3 and have to decide on a mount. Was looking at the badger 1.7 for a little more heads up. Are clip-ons all pretty much 1.5 making that a no go?
Nah it’s more than that. Some scopes give you a much better image than other. It’s some combination of factorsWith thermals glass quality is pretty unimportant. You are just looking at a tv screen a couple inches ahead of you, and if you need brightness, you can turn it up. It isn't nearly as important as with NV. Horta is right, basically just something of moderate length with a good reticle.
Well, if you are not looking at $199 scopes, you are pretty much fine with a thermal imo.Nah it’s more than that. Some scopes give you a much better image than other. It’s some combination of factors
I think it has to do with the limited amount of light that is striking the front lens. This is what I'm going to call a "weak" theory.medium or short stature good glass optics perform by far better than long tube/long objective optics in my experience. ive owned or used about everything.
I think it has to do with the limited amount of light that is striking the front lens. This is what I'm going to call a "weak" theory.
Specifically, you are being dealt an outsized blow the larger the intake lens is. The output window on most tubes is 18mm. Then it typically is increased in size to 25-40mm. Dilution of photonic density occurs when you do this, and then if you take it in through a 50mm lens you are giving the optic more chance to degrade the image.
There isn't a single additional photon being presented to the intake lens beyond the diameter of the output window in the NODS, so it being larger and thicker is all loss.
THe 36mm Bushnell LRTSI objective lens had quite a bit more issue than the 28mm lens in the Vortex which was well matched to the output lens of many units I'm using.
Our issue with the MK5 was obvious distortion in the image flatness. Clarity was good, but it had a distinct fishbowl effect.
I wasn't necessarily making that conclusion, and I'm not sure it follows from my logic. Its very early here so I'm at "drool-o-clock" in the morning.Interesting theory and I think it makes sense. If it were true, it seems like the image would be more distorted the further down the rail the clip on is mounted. I've not noticed anything noticeable but I haven't tested this to the extreme.
I went to an NX8 2.5-20 on my Yoter. I greatly prefer it over the G3. The adjustable paralax lets me focus in on the screen and really cleared things up at higher magnifications. The NX8 looks better on 12x than the G3 did on 8x. The G3 looked better under 5x though.Reviving this thread a little bit. Anyone run an NX8 1-8 with a clip on? I know it's not preferred by many but the small form factor and light weight check a lot of boxes. The new Primary Arms 1-8 is interesting too but that has yet to be proven
I have both. The 1-8 is ok to good, but I don’t love it like I do the 1-10.I'm more curious about the 1-8 version since it's so compact but does not have side focus. Thanks
Thanks for the feedback. Would you say they are pretty even through 4x or so with a clip on? It seems like 6-8x is about as far as you want to go without having the ability to focus?I have both. The 1-8 is ok to good, but I don’t love it like I do the 1-10.
I like the size and weight a lot of the 1-8
Nnnnno. (thoughtful no sound).Thanks for the feedback. Would you say they are pretty even through 4x or so with a clip on? It seems like 6-8x is about as far as you want to go without having the ability to focus?
I still have the G3 razor on a shelf and I could swap them easy enough, but the parallax issues I saw with the Razor have me skeptical.Yes, I used xtr2s for years with clipons The 3-15x the 5-25x and thev1.5-8x.
In their day, for sub $1k scopes, i thought they were great and like the reticle and illum at all powers
But the glass is dark, and with say a UTC on a 3-15x side by side with an atacr 4-16x the atacr wins hands down
Atacr also shorter and lighter
if budget is an issue i also had a ziess conquest v4 4-16x and it was GREAT
very clear and had parallax and zero stop.
and sub $1000
But it is SFP and mine was MOA
But those issues didnt bother me with the utc
But i no longer require myself to have sub $1k scopes.
Yes xtr2 has wide range of parallax adjustment... Were you able to dial the parallax out with the XTRii? ...
.. G3 razor on a shelf and I could swap them easy enough, but the parallax issues I saw with the Razor have me skeptical ...
I had one, I didn't like it at all with the rh25 or the voodoo S. I do use the athlon 1-10, the G3 1-10, and ordered a 1-8 Atacr. I also have a March 1.5-15x but I haven't played with it much but I think it's very capable with the TigIr.I'm more curious about the 1-8 version since it's so compact but does not have side focus. Thanks
Interesting. I wouldn't have guessed that the clip on could be made to work with different parallaxes, but maybe the thermals eyepiece can be made such that the light is focused in the scope correctly.Yes xtr2 has wide range of parallax adjustment.
I need to test more, but believe most LPVO should be fine with the Theon's due to the Theon's being setup for ~100yds parallax and many LPVO are as well. I shot the ATACR 1-8x with the "LR" quite a bit and did not detect any POI shift and removed and remounted it between each string of shots.