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Better than stock selector switch?

Cerebus

Cerebus

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#1
I just put together an RRA lower (AR15) using a DPMS LPK and the selector switch is borderline loose. Enough so that I don't consider it safe (pun intended). I'm hoping it's the selector and not the actual hole in the receiver. I figure if I have to replace it, I might as well see if there's something better than stock to replace it with. What say ye?
 
#2
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When you say "loose" do you mean switching it from safe to semi is too easy or do you mean the entire switch feels like it is going to fall out of the lower receiver?
 
#3
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I've personally had excellent results with DPMS parts kits in DPMS, Spikes, and Aero Precision lowers so your question is making me wonder whether your lower is in-spec...

At any rate regarding an upgrade for the selector switch the BadASS from Battle Arms Development is by-far the best I've found.
 
#5
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: McCrazy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">When you say "loose" do you mean switching it from safe to semi is too easy or do you mean the entire switch feels like it is going to fall out of the lower receiver? </div></div>

Loose as in the flip from Safe to Semi is was too easy IMO. There is very little detent in the Safe position and what seems like minimal friction during the transition. I'm worried that just something as mundane as brushing it up against me/something will bump it off Safe. Once it's on Fire though, the detent feels fine and I'm confident that it's not going to move.

I'll take a look at the BadASS.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BIPMaster</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I won a free badass selector. The thing is awesome. Smooth travel between safe and fire, and positive lockup. </div></div>

I love it when one small part for the lower receiver costs almost twice as much as the lower receiver itself. Now THAT is BADDASS....
 
#10
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Please point me to the $30 receivers please.
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#11
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The sheet I pulled on them when you started looking at the different options got them up to close to $100 pretty fast.

LRB is running a special on lowers right now - under $60 each if you buy 10.
 
#12
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You will be happy with the Battle Arms Safety Selector. I've installed and tested several of them and they work great. The only thing better is the JP adjustable safety. But, that's the difference between what works and personal preference.
 
#14
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I'm actually good with lowers, assuming this RRA isn't out of spec.
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If the BadASS fits, I will assume the selector from DPMS was off, otherwise I will be calling RRA.
 
#16
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Battle arms selector is the way to go. just put the 45 degree on a billet lower and love it. My new lower should be here in a couple week and will be putting the 90 degree selector on that one.
 
#17
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: STI_1911_Guy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I really wonder sometimes if people don't just search for the most expensive part and use it just because it was expensive so it must be good. </div></div>

One of the great things about livin' in a free-market economy (God bless the good ol' USofA) is that if you don't see value in a product you don't have to buy it! I can tell you that I'm extremely value conscious with all of my purchases and as far as I'm concerned this is by-far the best overall ambi-safety <span style="font-style: italic">value</span> I've found. Do I have one on all of my ARs? No, actually I only have one (on my SPR) but if you're looking for an ambi selector the BadASS is definitely the way to go IMHO. As with everything in life, YMMV!
 
#18
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I had this problem same problem with a DMPS LPK. The safety would actually move easy enought that sometimes when I was hunting it would come of safe just from the vibration of walking and moving around. A new spring and pin fixed mine.
 
#19
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I agree it looks like a good ambi saftey but i just cant wrap my head around what makes it that much better. The materials the tolerances or just the name? i have no problem with it or people buying them, its great we are privelaged enough to have options like this and i have made some purchases that were not needed like 200 dollar leupold rings (really come on what the hell was i thinkin).But in the end its all each to their own!!
 
#20
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I'm not here to try to convince you if you don't see the value. If its not for you, its not for you... But when it comes to price I'm not sure what your standard of reference is. A Knight's ambi-safety (generally considered to be of good quality...) is going to cost $60.00+, an LMT around $45.00, even a lower-end ambi (DPMS, RRA) is going to run around $30.00. Is the design (multiple lever options for <span style="font-style: italic">both</span> sides) and quality (machining, etc.) of the BadASS $30.00 better than the lower-end selectors? <span style="font-style: italic">Easily!</span> IMHO.

A good comparison might be a set of KNS anti-rotation pins to a stock trigger/hammer pins set: $30.00 for the KNS compared to a buck or two...'what a ripoff'... Are they necessary, No... Is the quality of the machining better than the stock pins? Absolutely, as is the design. Worth it? For allot of people yes; for <span style="font-style: italic">everyone</span> clearly not...

As for the name, quite frankly I wish they had called it something else. At least then some people wouldn't accuse others of buying it for that reason
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#21
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: HAVOC615</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Battle arms selector is the way to go. just put the 45 degree on a billet lower and love it. My new lower should be here in a couple week and will be putting the 90 degree selector on that one. </div></div>I just put the Battle Arms ambi selector in my POF308 and its much smoother than the one that came in it. The factory one was rough and wouldn't switch smoothly, sometimes had to use my thumb on the left and knuckle on the right side just to go to safe. I got the flat post for the trigger finger side and it sits real close to the receiver and does not touch my trigger finger like the stock one did which used to be annoying. The Badass is supposed to be stronger and less prone to breaking so that's a plus too.
 
#22
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The BADASS selector is the best on the market bar none! It is also the ONLY selector that is recommended by Geissele for use with thier triggers.

They are a fully machined (not cast or MIM) unit with user customizable lever configs, stainless detent, etc. Thay also offer versions which have Cerakote finish.

It's a superior part which is built to much more precise tollerances, is user customizable and well worth the, in my opinion very reasonable, price.
 
#23
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RedCreek</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The BADASS selector is the best on the market bar none! It is also the ONLY selector that is recommended by Geissele for use with thier triggers.

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If this is true, it's good to know as I put a SD-E in this lower.
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#24
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Something isn't right. The Safe lockup is better with the BADASS (still not as positive as my other lowers), but now once it's on Fire, I can't flick it back to safe with a my thumb or a single finger. I've put together a dozen lowers in my day and have never had a problem like this. Fawking up a pin or two, maybe, but c'mon the selector isn't rocket surgery.
 
#26
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I'm thinking there has to be something wrong with your lower if both the stock selector and the BA are not performing as they should...possibly the detent channel bored off-axis (just a guess). Has to be something wrong if neither selector operates correctly.
 
#28
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I think Battle Arms accidentally let a bad lot go out the door. I recently saw the issue with another lower where the BAD selector was extremely hard to turn. We swapped out selectors to rule out the receiver and a JP selector worked perfectly. We sent it back and received another one under warranty.

In order to get the selector to even remotely turn with one finger, we had to take the coating off with very fine sand paper at the pivot points.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The BADASS selector is the best on the market bar none! It is also the ONLY selector that is recommended by Geissele for use with thier triggers.

They are a fully machined (not cast or MIM) unit with user customizable lever configs, stainless detent, etc. Thay also offer versions which have Cerakote finish.

It's a superior part which is built to much more precise tollerances, is user customizable and well worth the, in my opinion very reasonable, price.</div></div>

Sorry but this is just an opinion. It is not the best selector on the market. Not by any stretch.

Don't get me wrong, the BAD selector is a good selector but it's not the best, I've seen some bad ones go to customers.
 
#29
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I had issues with switching the selector from fire to safe when the bolt is locked to the rear.

I removed material from the selector at the point it interfered with the trigger assm. to get the function correct.

Every thing passed function checks after, but I am wondering if these are similar problems you have seen?
 
#30
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MaximumVelocity</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think Battle Arms accidentally let a bad lot go out the door. I recently saw the issue with another lower where the BAD selector was extremely hard to turn. We swapped out selectors to rule out the receiver and a JP selector worked perfectly. We sent it back and received another one under warranty.

In order to get the selector to even remotely turn with one finger, we had to take the coating off with very fine sand paper at the pivot points.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The BADASS selector is the best on the market bar none! It is also the ONLY selector that is recommended by Geissele for use with thier triggers.

They are a fully machined (not cast or MIM) unit with user customizable lever configs, stainless detent, etc. Thay also offer versions which have Cerakote finish.

It's a superior part which is built to much more precise tollerances, is user customizable and well worth the, in my opinion very reasonable, price.</div></div>

Sorry but this is just an opinion. It is not the best selector on the market. Not by any stretch.

Don't get me wrong, the BAD selector is a good selector but it's not the best, I've seen some bad ones go to customers.

</div></div>

I'd be interested to know what you have found to be some better options. (<span style="font-style: italic">Not</span> arguing or picking a fight! That is a genuine question
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#31
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Sure no problem, but before I do, please understand this is just my own personal opinion based on my experience. I've never preached "You should buy this or that, hands down because I said."

So....IMO, the BAD selector is a nice selector. I've installed several of them and two of them needed to go back because of fitment issues. This however does not sway me away from them as I continue to use them on trigger groups. Mistakes happen no biggie. If I catch a bad one, I will send it back but I do not recommend them often. I prefer the JP safety for three reasons.

1. I've installed several of them and have not had a single fitment issue yet.

2. They are extremely smooth in operation.

3. I personally do not like any movement in my trigger while it's on safe. The JP is adjustable and allows you to pull any and all trigger movement from the safety selector.

This, to me, just makes for a better safety. The JP is more expensive by a small bit no doubt. Having the flexibility to adjust the safety to your liking is worth it to me. If someone wants to be on a budget, then obviously there are other options less expensive than the BAD or JP.

I'm not bashing the BAD and would still use one as long as it fit properly. I'm just stating what you asked, and that was what I felt was a better selector. Hopefully I answered your question and provided enough input as to why.
 
#32
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bad-ass feedback

above is a thread I started a long time ago on these selectors, I was actually the first person to purchase and own one in the wild, these selectors are the total package....superior designs, and superior customer service.
 
#33
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MaxV: Thanks for taking the time to give a very detailed and well-reasoned response! That's one of the biggest reasons I love the 'Hide; there so many opportunities to learn if one is just willing to listen a bit.

I've only had one experience with the BAD and it was a good one, as I said above, but I will now be on the lookout for fitment issues on future builds. I didn't know JP made a safety selector, I've tended to avoid their triggers for the same reason I don't use the Geissele adjustables: I don't like small screws in hidden places and try to avoid them wherever I can, particularly in the fire-control group. As you said: just my opinion, many will swear by the GA DMR or JP Adjustable...they're just not for me. Thanks again!
 
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Im with MaxV on this,I have the JP adjustable trigger installed in my rifle's and I have the pull set that its right there there is NO take up in my trigger, I need the adjustable selector so its a postive locking. you cant budge my trigger when the safty is on.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: plong</div><div class="ubbcode-body">MaxV: Thanks for taking the time to give a very detailed and well-reasoned response! That's one of the biggest reasons I love the 'Hide; there so many opportunities to learn if one is just willing to listen a bit.

I've only had one experience with the BAD and it was a good one, as I said above, but I will now be on the lookout for fitment issues on future builds. I didn't know JP made a safety selector, I've tended to avoid their triggers for the same reason I don't use the Geissele adjustables: I don't like small screws in hidden places and try to avoid them wherever I can, particularly in the fire-control group. As you said: just my opinion, many will swear by the GA DMR or JP Adjustable...they're just not for me. Thanks again! </div></div>

No problem! I'm not a firearms expert but I am well trained in AR's. I have a little experience with what works, what doesn't and why. The JP trigger, I will agree, not only has small screws but can be very tedious to install. However, IMO, the JP trigger ranks very high with me. If you are looking for accuracy, it's hard to beat in single stage. They can be a pain to install but when done properly, they are so crisp it can scare you. The JP safety works with any trigger but was obviously designed for the JP trigger and its tight setup. Once I was setting up a JP (I think it was my 2nd trigger job) and I blew through 4, yes 4, disconnectors. You have to take material off of them and it's extremely easy to take off too much. It's a good thing we had plenty on hand because JP is proud of those. The small screws are not bad and do not get in the way. You just have to be sure and use the loctite properly. I do understand your reasoning for things like that though.

To the OP, please don't let this discussion sway your decision. If you want a BAD, they are nice. If it fits without any issues, you will love it. I think there was just a bad lot and the ones I have installed over the last few months have been fine.
 
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