Boeing down in India
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But hey they are the best option to build the next Gen adf lol and oh we should probably give them the faxxx replacement haha
If true........WILD
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Indian media says this sole survivor walked away from today's Boeing 787 crash "by jumping from the plane"
Absolutely astonishing if true.
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Newsmax is reporting there were no survivors in their crawl. I guess we'll see if they can recover the CVR.FDR.
How ironic that Boeing's stock is down 7% without them even having a clue as to the cause. I guess we'll have to see.
How ironic that Boeing's stock is down 7% without them even having a clue as to the cause. I guess we'll have to see.
That's a lot of dots to connect, and I hate the smell of curry. Too soon?!
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Sumbitch used the Loony Toons hack!If true........WILD
Indian media says this sole survivor walked away from today's Boeing 787 crash "by jumping from the plane"
Absolutely astonishing if true.
Well, that’s a bad day.
It’s not an aircraft issue. It’s a pilot issue.
SET. THE. FUCKING. FLAPS.
It’s not an aircraft issue. It’s a pilot issue.
SET. THE. FUCKING. FLAPS.
I was bored and wanted to find the crash site on google maps and located it from street view based on news pics of the buildings since the location showing up isn’t accurate. I found the building the plane hit that the tail section is hanging out of and clicked on the business and it’s a mess hall. People are leaving reviews about the crash. WTF? Such mixed experiences too, we’ve got a 1 star, a 3 star, and a 5 star. 3 star reviewer posted some more pics that aren’t on the news.
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Royal Mess · Ahmedabad, Gujarat
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Well, let's see what the CVR/FDR has to say. I'm hearing the pilot may not have properly set the flaps. We'll have to see.
I'm not a pilot, but even I know THAT'S ON THE FUCKING CHECKLIST ! AND IT'S THERE FOR A VERY GOOD REASON AND IS NOT OPTIONAL !
It's mind boggling to think that quality of pilots is really that bad. Or, even worse, that pilots that bad are allowed in cockpits by airlines. But, it is India afterall.
Doesn’t look like much in the way of flaps, gear still down.
My shot in dark is power loss on take off. Its up off the ground well above ground effect. IDK.
I know there are some pilots around here. Q- With a heavy fuel load does it have enough power to climb out with out flaps?
Passenger's video 'shows
After news of the horror crash emerged, Akash Vatsa shared videos which he said showed in-flight facilities not working during the jet's previous journey.
Doesn't look that way. Although it normally does take a few seconds before they call "Positive Rate" and "Gear Up." And then another few seconds for the gear to start moving. But that nose gear should be on it's way forward if that were the case and it looks backwards to me.
My guess is no. Flaps would be needed, or at least policy/protocol, even if not needed,. I guess it depends on how heavy the gross payload was. ,It didn't seem like a full flight.
Maybe they should have called technical support....oh wait
On landing yes, mo flaps. i think take off is 5 deg, as per a quick google search.
Lots of flaps also equals lots of drag
For the ignorant (and that can't be any SH members...lol) who are blaming Boeing (and doing so absent of any facts), please consider that this was an 11 year old aircraft of a type with one of the best safety records, over its 16 years of commercial service, of any airliner and has never had a crash until now AND that this aircraft was maintained by Tata Sons who bought Air India from the Indian government and it was flying in Indian airspace under Indian air traffic control including ground based navigation aids. But yeah, this was Boeing's fault 
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.It's really not surprising ginev that the countries best and brightest are scouted by companies like GE, Frigidaire, Samsung, etc...etc...etc to help you troubleshoot your icemaker when it needs to be defrosted. The second best drive tractors in the fields. The third best are religious leaders bathing in sewage. The 4th best run smelly gas stations with warm beer. Leaving the dumbest to fly the aircraft.
This is video of the takeoff and crash. I’m no pilot or aviation expert but that looks like an unusually steep angle compared to the planes I usually see taking off.
Also, looked like they rotated at the very end of the runway.
You can see a dust vortex on the left side as it takes off
You can see a dust vortex on the left side as it takes off
I was thinking 5-15. Enough to trigger the lead flaps to drop. The drag could be compensated for with thrust power. Definitely Flaps 30 for landing to slow it down to like 140-150 indicated from like 175-190. I recall a lot of the EWR Tower controllers telling the pilots on final to maintain 175-180 until the inner marker so as not to hold up the traffic behind them.
Looks like it drifted to the left as it lost lift. I can imagine why they didn't raise gear (not a sufficient climb rate), Whether or not it had proper flaps I can't tell. Couldn't see.
Because when recovering from a. Stall you don’t change configuration until you have recovered speed and lift. The FO raising the flaps in the Buffalo crash a while back was the reason the plane went down.
That’s my initial thought. But it’s very difficult to see in that video. Takeoff flap setting is very subtle and we may not be able to discern if the were up or down in that video. But my mind went to flaps or a pitot static issue like bugs which gave false speed indications but I don’t know the 787 systems so that just off the cuff.
To me from this video it looks like "positive rate gear up" turned into "positive rate flaps up".
The NFP fucked up
The NFP fucked up
Watching this video that’s good resolution I just don’t see how anyone can see if the flaps are down or not from a grainy ass CCTV video or a couple videos filmed with a potato.
I can see the leading edge out in the original video, but I dont see any trailing edge. I would guess flaps 15-20 is a more normal setting for that airplane on takeoff and not 1.
I would HIGHLY DOUBT that flaps 1 is a normal takeoff flap setting for that airplane. I dont know how much gas it would have on, but "a lot" comes to mind and almost a full load of passengers I believe at 240ish.
To me it looks like a takeoff with not enough flaps and they just stalled a perfectly good airplane into the ground.
I see no evidence of engine failure or anything else in any of the grainy ass videos.
I would HIGHLY DOUBT that flaps 1 is a normal takeoff flap setting for that airplane. I dont know how much gas it would have on, but "a lot" comes to mind and almost a full load of passengers I believe at 240ish.
To me it looks like a takeoff with not enough flaps and they just stalled a perfectly good airplane into the ground.
I see no evidence of engine failure or anything else in any of the grainy ass videos.
If the flaps were not set to the position the aircraft speeds were set for, then they would have had to ignore a checklist and a warning message. Large amounts of dust at rotation to me would indicate getting airborne at the very end of the rwy. Of the various possibilities, I would bet they either based their performance off of the full rwy length and then departed from an intersection, so the length was shorter than planned for. Or they used the wrong/ lighter weight for the performance numbers, forcing them to rotate as the end of the rwy was approaching. Rotation rate looks normal, and it doesn’t look like they had a tail strike, but the rotation continues to too high of a pitch, hence a stall.
Probably never added/went to max thrust as the end of the rwy was approaching, as that is not “procedure”……
Or the one in a billion software error where both engines went to idle thrust on their own!
Probably never added/went to max thrust as the end of the rwy was approaching, as that is not “procedure”……
Or the one in a billion software error where both engines went to idle thrust on their own!
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Ah, hard to tell anything but as for flaps….dunno, looks to me like he rotated and established a positive climb rate…while beyond ground effect…no?
And I don’t know how this aircraft stalls but in most cases I would expect the nose to fall off and I B don’t see that in the limited vid we have.
And I don’t know how this aircraft stalls but in most cases I would expect the nose to fall off and I B don’t see that in the limited vid we have.
According to flight data max altitude was a little over 600ft above the ground. (Edit- Air field altitude is 200ft so around 400ft up)
I still think it lost power/ one engine, they panicked and left the gear down. They pulled too hard and stalled.
A sim of a right engine failure.
in the sim rising the gear barely kept it from stalling/ speed dropping.
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Here’s my opinion:
Failed to use all the runway for takeoff (didn’t backtrack to use full length)
As they saw the end of runway approaching the pilot pulled up to climb away. The plane lifted off but was below flying speed. “Ground effect” gives cushion of air for extra lift/less drag. But once the jet climbed above the ground effect cushion the wing will stall.
The stall warning stick shaker distracted from raising the gear. Plane stalled and descended into the ground.
Or inexperienced First Officer raised the flaps instead of the gear which increased the stall speed and thus descending into the ground
Failed to use all the runway for takeoff (didn’t backtrack to use full length)
As they saw the end of runway approaching the pilot pulled up to climb away. The plane lifted off but was below flying speed. “Ground effect” gives cushion of air for extra lift/less drag. But once the jet climbed above the ground effect cushion the wing will stall.
The stall warning stick shaker distracted from raising the gear. Plane stalled and descended into the ground.
Or inexperienced First Officer raised the flaps instead of the gear which increased the stall speed and thus descending into the ground
The mini propeller thing
. You mean the Ram air turbine. Ain’t no way you could tell that from this picture. Way to grainy
So they’re saying he sent an ACARS message while he’s fighting a loss of power? am I reading that right?
Yea no. And if that’s what he was doing in his final moments, he killed everybody on that airplane.
Does the gear never coming up indicate a sign there was trouble that distracted the pilots.
Isn't that a text based system?
