Suppressors Brand new to NFA items

[DairyDictator]

Been looking for a long while and very nearly did a form 1 but unfortunately my internship ended at the local machine shop before I got the chance. Few questions about the process.

1. Is it better to set up a trust or just run everything as an individual or suppressor single shot with the latest set of regulations? I plan on getting more NFA items in the future.

2. I am 20 as of right now, so immediate form 4's are out of the question, but would it speed up or make the process easier if I set up a trust and did a form 1 for an SBR lower now? I got an engineering internship in Hartford, WI for the summer and the place is a few blocks from BCM, so it would be a little wrong of me not to come home with at least an upper (11.5"). Would be really nice to SBR it since as much as I appreciate the work around, I really don't like pistol braces.

I'd like to go do all the paperwork on my 21st birthday. I was looking at a TBAC ultra 7 or ultra 9 until I saw lead times were over a year out. Other option is an OSS Helix QD. Mainly looking for a suppressor to put on my PRS rig, but since I probably won't get around to getting a second one, it'd be nice to be able to put it on an SBR 5.56mm with no issues while rapid firing.

 

[Supersubes]

Do the trust, it will save you in the long run. Whether you’re manufacturing an item or buying one doesn’t change the trust decision. Form 1’s are coming back really fast. It’s form 4/trust that are taking a little longer than individual. Still, just do it right.


TBAC is cranking out suppressors. There’s no need to order one direct from them unless you’re using a certificate. You can find them in stock all over.

 

[j741]

Do the trust approach. Depending on how many you think you'd like to buy, and if you can purchase through a Powered By SilencerShop dealer, may be consider the SilencerShop unlimited single shot trusts. I went with the SS unlimited just by change and have really liked having it.

 

[Zak Smith]

Here's how to find what you need

Thunder Beast Arms Corporation [TBAC] | Availability

 

[DairyDictator]

Do the trust approach. Depending on how many you think you'd like to buy, and if you can purchase through a Powered By SilencerShop dealer, may be consider the SilencerShop unlimited single shot trusts. I went with the SS unlimited just by change and have really liked having it.

The single shot trust idea seems weird to me. What's the real benefit of doing that over just the one trust other than you could add responsible persons to only one item instead of your whole collection under the trust?

 

[DairyDictator]

Here's how to find what you need

Thunder Beast Arms Corporation [TBAC] | Availability

So when an order is placed, a serial number is generated within a relatively short amount of time, so the form 4 could be filled out and sent in without the physical can in the dealers hand, so the manufacture and approval times overlap. Am I understanding this correctly?

 

[Zak Smith]

No. The page says nothing of the sort and doing what you describe is a good way to get in trouble with ATF.

Serialization is the last step in manufacturing other than paint. For an order in our system, once we have a can manufactured to match to that order, we know its serial number and are ready to file a Form 3 to get it on its way to the dealer.

The point of our Availability tool is so you can locate the can that you need based on where we've recently shipped cans, or are about to ship cans. We ship cans out to dealers every day. The tricky part is matching up end-customers who need a certain model to the dealers who ordered them previously. It sounds stupid to say it out loud, but we can only ship cans to dealers who order them, so that's where they go as they roll out of production. The Availability tool is meant to help connect the supply with the demand.

 

[DairyDictator]

No. The page says nothing of the sort and doing what you describe is a good way to get in trouble with ATF.

Serialization is the last step in manufacturing other than paint. For an order in our system, once we have a can manufactured to match to that order, we know its serial number and are ready to file a Form 3 to get it on its way to the dealer.

The point of our Availability tool is so you can locate the can that you need based on where we've recently shipped cans, or are about to ship cans. We ship cans out to dealers every day. The tricky part is matching up end-customers who need a certain model to the dealers who ordered them previously. It sounds stupid to say it out loud, but we can only ship cans to dealers who order them, so that's where they go as they roll out of production. The Availability tool is meant to help connect the supply with the demand.

Ah thanks for the clarification. Lots of good and bad information gets tossed around at the local matches.

 

[j741]

The single shot trust idea seems weird to me. What's the real benefit of doing that over just the one trust other than you could add responsible persons to only one item instead of your whole collection under the trust?

Once you add someone to you trust, any future cans purchased on that trust will require fingerprints and all background info on that person in addition to yours. And you can not modify the trustees while a can’s application is in process. You also don’t have ability to say person X has access to can 1 but not can 2.

say you buy a can now and submit form 4 with just you on trust. In 6 months you buy a 2nd can on same trust. you would not be able to add anyone on to the trust to access the first can until the 2nd can is approved. Or, if you did add them, you’d have to resubmit the 2nd cans application including their info.