I get ya. I thought with these level scopes it is sort of implied its one in the same.Having pedigree and name recognition is totally different though. But I get what you are saying.
What did you buy in this category, out of curiosity.
I get ya. I thought with these level scopes it is sort of implied its one in the same.Having pedigree and name recognition is totally different though. But I get what you are saying.
Gotcha, thanks. I love my LRHSi. I'm looking at the XTRIII vs ERS II and all the the other usual suspects (Razor, NF, Mark 5, etc) - I dont hear as many great reviews about the ERS II as I do the DMRII/Pro and the LRTS/LRHS. I havent used one though.I ran a Bushnell DMRII and LRTS in 2019 and early part of 2020...can’t beat a LRTS in my opinion, it packs a lot of punch...2018 I ran NF NXS and a Steiner.
This year I made the leap to a Schmidt Bender Ultra Short. My other setups have LPVOs from Leupold and Steiner currently.
Gotcha, thanks. I love my LRHSi. I'm looking at the XTRIII vs ERS II and all the the other usual suspects (Razor, NF, Mark 5, etc) - I dont hear as many great reviews about the ERS II as I do the DMRII/Pro and the LRTS/LRHS. I havent used one though.
This is the truth....I think the XRS II is a bit of a disappointment at its price point. I have a friend running one since they came out. I think hes looking to replace it this year. The glass just never seemed that nice on it.
I've never been terribly impressed with the DMRII, I felt they were over priced when they hit the market. The Pro is better optically, essentially like the XRS II from that aspect.
The LRTS is a lot of scope for its price point, it's fantastic value. This and the DMR II Pro are probably my favorite optics from Bushnell right now.
Interesting analogy to make, because I've noticed the resale value on Tango6s has gone WAY up over the past year or so, especially the LPVOs. Sig winning the DMR contract has given them a bit of street cred, and the solid performance of the Tango6 gen2s has definitely been noticed. (I'd also note that Sig clearing out the gen1 Tango6s for like $600-$800 didn't help resale values, either, but that's a different discussion.)Reminds me of my Sig Tango6. Turrets arent quite as nice as the Razor 2's, but everything else is there - but it costs 600 dollar less in the buy and sell portion of the hide because its a Sig and not the Razor. The spread was about 400-500 new, so its not like you're losing your shirt, but still. Burris is sort of the same deal. Bushnell falls into this category a little. It has more rep than Burris or Sig, but not to Vortex standards... and forget NF or anything Leupold sells that starts with a Mark.
Yeah, DMRII Pro seems to be the best of the bunch.I think the XRS II is a bit of a disappointment at its price point. I have a friend running one since they came out. I think hes looking to replace it this year. The glass just never seemed that nice on it.
I've never been terribly impressed with the DMRII, I felt they were over priced when they hit the market. The Pro is better optically, essentially like the XRS II from that aspect.
The LRTS is a lot of scope for its price point, it's fantastic value. This and the DMR II Pro are probably my favorite optics from Bushnell right now.
That could be very true and maybe I am not paying enough attention. I also haven't looked at LPVO's recently. I know I saw a few slightly used 4-24/5-30's sell for 1000-1150 or so over the past month or two, and I was surprised they werent holding their value better.Interesting analogy to make, because I've noticed the resale value on Tango6s has gone WAY up over the past year or so, especially the LPVOs. Sig winning the DMR contract has given them a bit of street cred, and the solid performance of the Tango6 gen2s has definitely been noticed. (I'd also note that Sig clearing out the gen1 Tango6s for like $600-$800 didn't help resale values, either, but that's a different discussion.)
Yeah, DMRII Pro seems to be the best of the bunch.
I devour the reviews like the rest of us, but its always best to get in front of a scope - for instance I respect your viewpoint and your reviews, and yet I recently read a thread where you were discussing that you loved the Veracity - which I cant stand. I've tried two of them and they both suffered from the worst CA I've seen in that price point. Maybe I tried two bad copies, but still... glass can vary so much to each of our eyes - it makes it a crap shoot half the time. On the other hand I bought a cheap 1-4 MTAC which does not get great reviews (to throw on a cheap 3 gun-esque AR build) and that thing performs and looks better than any of the other scopes I tried on it so I havent taken the time to
They also might have been gen1s with meh reticles. The DEV-L MRAD gen2 Sigs tend to command the premium.That could be very true and maybe I am not paying enough attention. I also haven't looked at LPVO's recently. I know I saw a few slightly used 4-24/5-30's sell for 1000-1150 or so over the past month or two, and I was surprised they werent holding their value better.
A co-worker just got a XTR 3 5.5-30 and I was able to check it out. I brought my Viper PST Gen2 5-25 and Athlon Midas Tac 6-24 to the office and looked at things outside side by side. They all looked fairly close to each other. I did notice the Burris stayed pretty darn crisp all the way up to 30x.
The turret knurling is pretty narly on the hands but I bet you'd get used to it pretty quick.
Against my PST the 34mm tube made it look much bigger even though it's a bit shorter and lighter than my PST.
I'm really thinking of switching to the Burris myself.
Do you care to elaborate a little more?
I'd expect the glass and scope as a whole to be a lot nicer than those other two scopes considering is 2x and 3x the price respectively.
Got mine in today. Came in after dark so I was not able to judge optics on it.
I did mount it on a rifle and played with it a bit. First impressions are:
Fit and finish is ok. No glaring issues, but did not wow me either. Turrets are not bad, but not my favorite. Not quite as solid as other scopes I own, but perfectly useable.
Really like the "image floating in air" effect of this scope. Very little black ring when behind it.
Eyebox seems very good.
HATE how fine the reticle is. This may be a dealbreaker for me. I bought this scope for a gas gun used in gas gun competitions where speed is critical. This reticle is just too fine. I tend to be betwen 8-12x most of the time and this reticle is just not usable below 12x. I actually mounted it on a different rifle because I just don't see this working out. Maybe my opinion will change once I get shooting with it.
Got mine in today. Came in after dark so I was not able to judge optics on it.
I did mount it on a rifle and played with it a bit. First impressions are:
Fit and finish is ok. No glaring issues, but did not wow me either. Turrets are not bad, but not my favorite. Not quite as solid as other scopes I own, but perfectly useable.
Really like the "image floating in air" effect of this scope. Very little black ring when behind it.
Eyebox seems very good.
HATE how fine the reticle is. This may be a dealbreaker for me. I bought this scope for a gas gun used in gas gun competitions where speed is critical. This reticle is just too fine. I tend to be betwen 8-12x most of the time and this reticle is just not usable below 12x. I actually mounted it on a different rifle because I just don't see this working out. Maybe my opinion will change once I get shooting with it.
Not a big deal, everyone's eyes are different. I saw a lot of CA and they lacked edge to edge clarity, which matters a lot to my eyes.That's crazy about the Veracity. Those slipped through the cracks on you.
I have a buddy who owns two. He bought one when it first came out, and another one last year. I've looked through maybe nearly a dozen others, and they've all been solid.
Burris sells the Veracity like crazy. Even for all these years it's been out it still sells well. Sorry you got a couple of bad ones...
I have an 18x that I have on a 22LR that I have been whistle pigging with, in addition to various 30x scopes on a trainer and a couple competition rifles. I guess it depends on the quality of your eyesight, but I personally havent experienced any reticle issues while plinking, practicing, or competing.
At about 5x to 6x is where the reticle no longer shows enough detail to really use the grid. It becomes a crosshair at that point. But I've used it on 3.3x to shoot varmints, it's still useable, with amazing FOV.
At 8x or 10x, where I've used it at a LOT, I have zero issues with the thinness of the reticle.
I am not too wild about the Veracity. I have 2 of the 4-20's that i ordered at the same time, one with the varmint e1 ffp and one with the regular e1 ffp reticle. As far as the reticles go, i really like the regular, and i can live with the varmint, but neither has the crosshairs optically centered. I had to dial all of the windage and one was still an inch to the right and the other was 4 inches to the right (fixed with the burris signature rings). aside from that i did notice a WHOLE lot of CA in both and the varmint reticled scope is not as clear. I have been pretty happy with my other burris scopes, four XTR2's and an MTAC, but the veracity scopes have been a bit of a let down.That's crazy about the Veracity. Those slipped through the cracks on you.
I have a buddy who owns two. He bought one when it first came out, and another one last year. I've looked through maybe nearly a dozen others, and they've all been solid.
Burris sells the Veracity like crazy. Even for all these years it's been out it still sells well. Sorry you got a couple of bad ones...
Can you give a comparison of reticle thickness vs the EBR 2c/7c?
Or similar reticles?
The 2-10 is definitely a sweet spot in the XTRII line up. That and the 4-20.
2-10x is one of my favorites, but Burris just discontinued it.
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has anyone tested the low light performance of the xtr iii scopes. I will be putting it on a heavy rifle but will sometimes hunt deer with it when watching a field at last light. I have a swfa illuminated 5x20hd and it is impressive. I killed a pig in a wheat field that I was unable to see with the naked eye using scope on 8x. I would buy another swfa if it is better than the xtr iii. my swfa is as good as my 2.5x10x 56 sb. thank you for any input.
If I had a choice between a 1-8X and a 2-10X, the 1-8 gets it every time.Madness!
The humble 2-10 scope os going the way of the dodo it would seem.
As a former Porsche owner, multiple PCA track day/HPDE veteran, and serious autocrosser, I understand driving dynamics far better than you might think.
I took home a 328i for a weekend in late February on a test drive. I couldn't wait to give it back on Monday. It handled well.....that was about it.
Actually did end up with a 2019 Accord Sport.
Are you a hunter, target shooter, or tactical shooter?I will take the 2-10 over a 1-8 all day everyday. 1-10 is not worth the $1k to me over a 2-10.
Are you a hunter, target shooter, or tactical shooter?
As a former Porsche owner, multiple PCA track day/HPDE veteran, and serious autocrosser, I understand driving dynamics far better than you might think.
I took home a 328i for a weekend in late February on a test drive. I couldn't wait to give it back on Monday. It handled well.....that was about it.
Actually did end up with a 2019 Accord Sport.
Tactical and competitive guys do a lot of shooting on timers, against multiple targets at different distances (near/far). A solid 1x experience is very valuable to them. Hunters and target shooters... perhaps less so. Which is why I asked, because I was curious.I definitely do the first 2, I am not sure what the 3rd one means.
Have a gently used one showing up Saturday, can’t wait.A definite strong suite of the XTR3.
I think you will have to go way up in price point to get a scope as good in low light conditions as the Burris.
If I had a choice between a 1-8X and a 2-10X, the 1-8 gets it every time.
Throw in a 1-10X, and I see no point to the 2-10.
A 2-10 with proper turrets and a bigger objective does offer advantages over a LVPO.
Thanks for the reply. 30x included?
Thank you sir.I now own two of the 30x xtr3s with the scr2 ret. and really like them one lives on my comp gun the other goes back and forth between my 22lr and my 223ai trainer. The glass is not top tier but for half the money of an atacr I was able to have two scopes with matching reticals for practice and comps. Both of these scopes tracked very well 99.9% on a tracking test. I really like the scr2 in this scope as well I find the thickness to be a nice middle ground when running in the 12/18x range and not to thick when run up to 30x. Sure I would love to own two matching tier one scopes but that’s a lot of powder and bullets that I could use for practice and get to be a better shot.