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Join the contestMy other scope I’m interested is in the Nightforce shv 3.5-14x50 ffp I’m on the fence in these twoGoing on 4 years with a 3-12. My take:
No durability issues. No need to take it back to Bushnell for repair. I’ve abused the elevation turret “coin slot”, yet it keeps holding up well.
Clicks are repeatable. Same with RTZ.
Glass is fantastic for hunting. I could maybe, possible use a little more at first and last, buy I’m not willing to trade it away searching for that minor improvement.
IMO- the LRHS is a killer scope. Until NForce (or TT) come out with a scope that rivals the LRHS with an equally awesome reticle, etc - I’ll stick to my LRHS.
4-14x50....My other scope I’m interested is in the Nightforce shv 3.5-14x50 ffp I’m on the fence in these two
I had both at the same time. I liked the reticle and the turrets better on the Bushnell. The glass is pretty much the same. The Bushnell paralax was way easier to turn. I sold the SWFA and kept the Bushnell.Anyone compared the Bushy with the 5-20 SWFA?
Swfa?I had both at the same time. I liked the reticle and the turrets better on the Bushnell. The glass is pretty much the same. The Bushnell paralax was way easier to turn. I sold the SWFA and kept the Bushnell.
Yes. Sorry, meant to quote the post asking about the SWFA HD 5-20x50Swfa?
The Bushnell glass is not as Good as the SWFA 5-20 HD. I have three SWFA and one Bushnell 4.5-18x44 LRHS. The Bushnell LRHS is a better hunting scope as it’s lighter, smaller, and the reticle is a little more suited to low light shooting. The 5-20is better for everything else.Anyone compared the Bushy with the 5-20 SWFA?
Thats interesting. My vortex gen 2 3-15x44 is as good if not slightly sharper than my bushnell. I was comparing them all three side by side this past weekend in the dull overcast, misting weather. I was looking at a wellhead about 700 yards away. There was also a small sign beside the wellhead. Al at 15x They were all close but the bushnell seemed to lack slightly behind. They were all very good though.The SWFA 5-20 I has didn't have anything better than my LRHS's and LRTS I have owned.
Thats interesting. My vortex gen 2 3-15x44 is as good if not slightly sharper than my bushnell. I was comparing them all three side by side this past weekend in the dull overcast, misting weather. I was looking at a wellhead about 700 yards away. There was also a small sign beside the wellhead. Al at 15x They were all close but the bushnell seemed to lack slightly behind. They were all very good though.
You’re the first person who has said the gen 2 has better glass, forums make everything more confusing lolThats interesting. My vortex gen 2 3-15x44 is as good if not slightly sharper than my bushnell. I was comparing them all three side by side this past weekend in the dull overcast, misting weather. I was looking at a wellhead about 700 yards away. There was also a small sign beside the wellhead. Al at 15x They were all close but the bushnell seemed to lack slightly behind. They were all very good though.
You’re the first person who has said the gen 2 has better glass, forums make everything more confusing lol
You’re the first person who has said the gen 2 has better glass, forums make everything more confusing lol
They were all close enough to not matter.
Also remember that the 3-15 gen ii pst has better glass than the 5-25. At least to me even though its close
FYI the LRTS non illuminated has a .03Mil center reticle where as the LRTSi has a .06Mil center. It’s not advertised and Bushnell tech will half the tome tell you they’re the same G3 reticle but they are very much not. I’ve nevet used illumination on a hunt and the LRTS 4.5-18 has lived through 500+ rounds on an 8.5 lb 338 Norma Improved for over a year with zero complaints. Really like that optic.... better glass than NXS or Gen 1 Razor at last light as well.
It's much the same on the DMR2 and XRS2. The thicker center helps with illumination.
Good to know! Im very much a fan of the .03Mil center.
Just remember everyone’s eyes are diff. And glass varies even within the same scope line.
when you are spending $1000-3000 on a scope you want to get the best scope you can & that means testing & comparing. Some people are shooting competitions, hunting, or just shooting a lot so having the right scope can make a difference. The glass is only one part but there’s also more importantly tracking & reliability. For the the average shooter it might not matter but the guy shooting competition who spends hours prepping their brass for perfect concentricity & least runout to wring out every last bit of accuracy, it does.Exactly. Out of dozen LRHS, a couple LRTS, a couple DMRII, About a dozen ERS, a couple DMR, and 6 or 7 Burrix XTRII. You can find some significant variation in the same line. All the nitpicking glass in the world doesn't make a mole hill, to choosing a reticle, mag range/FOV, and feature set that works for you. Given the reticle and turrets match, and it doesn't say IOR or Quigley on it, your 1k will get you something pretty good.
Hell, anymore you can pretty much just choose the one you think looks or sounds the most tactical. ??
Really thought, they are all pretty good.
when you are spending $1000-3000 on a scope you want to get the best scope you can & that means testing & comparing. Some people are shooting competitions, hunting, or just shooting a lot so having the right scope can make a difference. The glass is only one part but there’s also more importantly tracking & reliability. For the the average shooter it might not matter but the guy shooting competition who spends hours prepping their brass for perfect concentricity & least runout to wring out every last bit of accuracy, it does.
Yeah they do pretty good at or around the $1k level but not near as good as the $1500-3k level. This year my uncles shop has returned quite a few fx1000, pst2, & etr scopes vs mk5hd, nf atacr, razor or pmii which none have had any problems so far, not that they don’t fail from time to time. So there’s a much greater chance if you are putting high volume rounds on $1k Chinese or Philippines made scopes to fail vs USA-German-Japanese made scopes. My uncle has been selling optics & guns over 30 years & that was his opinionThis "testing and comparing" is just like a jack off competition, everyone who is happy at the end, wins, and everyone likes looking a something different during.....?
Everything you are worried about pretty much comes down to a unit by unit basis at 1k. Did you get a good one or a bad one. Every brand makes both. Most all of them take care of the bad ones very well at 1K also. This coming from using most all of their warranty service departments.
I like thick ffp reticles that can be seen and used easily across all magnification ranges but I know that I am in the minority.Glass quality - Amazing for under $1000
Tracking - mine did well on a box test
Durability - didn't have it for very long at all
I sold mine due to hating the reticle lines (too thick)- GREAT for hunting, not so much for PRS or target shooting.
It's an excellent scope. Mine had a somewhat stiff parallax knob, but overall it was a great scope. Glass was amazing for the price.
I'm a just picky with reticles.
I dont shoot prs so I ask why would the reticle be too thick for that game. The reticle won’t cover a 1 moa target at any range.Glass quality - Amazing for under $1000
Tracking - mine did well on a box test
Durability - didn't have it for very long at all
I sold mine due to hating the reticle lines (too thick)- GREAT for hunting, not so much for PRS or target shooting.
It's an excellent scope. Mine had a somewhat stiff parallax knob, but overall it was a great scope. Glass was amazing for the price.
I'm a just picky with reticles.
It’s a personal preference thing, people have won in competition with the msr reticle which is one of the thickest reticles. Christmas tree reticles with really thin lines seems to what’s popular nowI dont shoot prs so I ask why would the reticle be too thick for that game. The reticle won’t cover a 1 moa target at any range.
I’m doing the same thing getting rid of my nephew & nieces pst2 5-25 scopes for the 18x lrts. I agree the pst2 is good but the lrts is nicer. I got another nephew an athlon ETR so that will be fun to compareI've got two LRTSi 4.5-18s....sold some PST II 5-25s (a fine scope in its own right) in favor of the Bushys.
I'm happy with them...
The dmr2 pro is one of the best scopes for the $$ out there. Liberty optics has good prices on them & ive seen several other sites have them around $1400-1500. My neighbor got one during the 20% off rebate & ended up being just under $1200, I should have got one too. The pro will be the next scope I get as soon as there’s another rebate or sale. I was shooting with a friend who has the pro & I had my mk5hd & pmii & the dmr2 pro was impressive, really close in performance with my scopesHave two LRTSI’s and a LRHSI. All track perfectly, are durable, easy to get behind.
Great glass for the price range.
Don’t think the reticle is too big. Easy to center up on 1 moa targets. Regular hit 5x7 target at 776 yards.
Just upgraded to a DMRII PRO for my match gun, all the same attributes on steroids. Struggling to decide which one to sell. Don’t need four scopes?
I thought it was pretty darned good in my admittedly short look through and it was upside tons of other high end and mid-range optics on the show-n-tell table. It's definitely not in the class of the really high end $2k and up scopes but among scopes with comparable buy-ins I'd have one in a New York minute and never give it a second thought. I really like the turrets. Good grabbin' size, nice click feel and pretty low profile compared to the rest of the Elite line.
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![]() | ![]() ![]() I thought it was pretty darned good in my admittedly short look through and it was upside tons of other high end and mid-range optics on the show-n-tell table. It's definitely not in the class of the really high end $2k and up scopes but among scopes with comparable buy-ins I'd have one in a New York minute and never give it a second thought. I really like the turrets. Good grabbin' size, nice click feel and pretty low profile compared to the rest of the Elite line. |
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Ironically I am pretty sure the guy you just copy/pasted is a member here lol.
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I thought it was pretty darned good in my admittedly short look through and it was upside tons of other high end and mid-range optics on the show-n-tell table. It's definitely not in the class of the really high end $2k and up scopes but among scopes with comparable buy-ins I'd have one in a New York minute and never give it a second thought. I really like the turrets. Good grabbin' size, nice click feel and pretty low profile compared to the rest of the Elite line.