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Gunsmithing Buttress style Bolt lugs

Re: Buttress style Bolt lugs

I'm not sure what a "buttress bolt" is but buttress threads are not V shaped like regular threads but rathe have one face that it 90 deg from the bolts body and angled on the other side so that the load bearing surface is square.

I don't know whay anybody would use such a thread in any weapons parts

explain a littel better what it was that broke
 
Re: Buttress style Bolt lugs

Sorry by broken i ment cut..

The bolt and receiver were machined with a buttress thread, but cut parallel to the axis of the bolt. This allowed the bolt to be locked vs. screwed into the receiver.

The thread/lugs were very heavy and there was at least 5 threads..It was a 50bmg I think..
 
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some cannons use inturupted butress threads on the breechblock........no advantage in a precision bolt gun

IRC a couple of the 50 bmg ar 15 uppers use either interupted acme or interupted butress threads because it is a cheaper/easier way of machining locking engagement surfaces.....
 
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I don't think interrupted acmes are any less expensive to mfg.
The primary reason for their design is speed when changing out barrels. I once did a series of gages for Saco Defence for three section stub Acme barrel threads. They where for the reciever lock up of barrels on mostly 30 and 50 vulcans.
 
Re: Buttress style Bolt lugs

The reason that buttress threads are used for anything, firearm related or not, is because of the loading properties of that thread.

In a regular V thread the surfaces in contact create very large hoop stresses and "expanding" forces that try to stretch the ring open.

I have seen this style thread actually "jump" under high load cases in a test rotor on a helicopter. During a run up test the nut on the top of the rotor shaft actually jumped off the pressure plate on the top of the rotore by about a half of an inch. It was something that was not supposed to be a V thread, and as soon as that jump happened we scrapped the rotor shaft and had a new one made with buttress threads on it.

The production rotor shafts in the Chinook have a buttress thread on the top of them where the rotor hub nut goes on. This is sometimes refered to as "the Jesus nut" since if it fails, you're going to see Him.

The reason you would do this in a large bore cannon is the same reason. The available area for the firing pressures to push on in that case are massive, which creates enormous loads axial on the breech block. With a regular V notch thread it would create a much higher hoop stress state because not only the firing pressure will be there to expand the breech ring, but the axial force on the V threads will put about 70% of that axial force into the ring expansion as well, practically doubling the load carried in the hoop direction (tangential stresses).

In a smaller bore firearm you would want to use this as a way to have a very high mechanical advantage during the final closing stages of a bolt without causing the high ring stress state in the tenon area of the receiver.
 
Re: Buttress style Bolt lugs

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: NBLongRanger</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Being an schooled machinist and amateur shooter, that's what I thought. Never took into account the expansion of the outer contact surface though, good point!

Basically massive axial load capability with minimal stress on the receiver. </div></div>

Yep, minimal ADDITIONAL stress beyond what the actual pressure cycle from firing produces.

The reason it's on the firing pin knob/sear on the k98 action is because the impact loads induced during the firing pin snapping forward are massive for a very small duration. They're a pain in the ass to make internally but far less of a pain in the ass of the action failing to function in combat conditions.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: NBLongRanger</div><div class="ubbcode-body">First project back in school was a multi-OD threaded piece with an english 55degree, american 60 and a buttress with a 70degree back angle. It wasn't all that fun to cut externally..

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Doesn't like it was fun...