Rifle Scopes change to mil from moa ?

[scorpio 25]

was going to try a mil mil scope for something different . seems everyone has been going in that direction.was using moa forever does it pay to change at this point?Also was thinking about a Shmidt and Bender scope for something different also from the NF but have no clue as to what reticle to get something that I wont need to dial maybe the H2CMR or P4 ?? any advice would be great . see a lot of good deals in the PX section but don't know what to get?

 

[_Windrider_]

use whichever you want, like or are used to. they both get the job done the same exact way. the only thing you need to be sure of is that the turrets and reticle match. mil/mil or moa/moa. other than that, get out and shoot.

 

[scorpio 25]

use whichever you want, like or are used to. they both get the job done the same exact way. the only thing you need to be sure of is that the turrets and reticle match. mil/mil or moa/moa. other than that, get out and shoot.

yes they both end up in the same place guess it makes no difference there.now with all the new scopes coming out makes it hard to decide what to get.the ultra short line might be nice to try maybe also.

 

[Glassaholic]

Frank has an excellent article on this - https://www.snipershide.com/mils-vs-moa-practical/

Like you scorpio, I used to be an MOA guy and always thought MOA = inches and mil/mrad = centimeters; however, this is not the case, they are both angular units of measure and once you understand that and get away from inches vs centimeters the better you'll understand how to use the system

 

[stwcattle]

For me its about the environment I'm around. I run MOA scopes around hunting friends except for my 6 creedmore hunting rifle. Around matches I run a mil scope just because thats what language most people are speaking.

As far as putting rounds down range, it don't make a difference what system i run.

 

[demolitionman]

I run mills surrounded by MOA spotters and other MOA shooters. Because of them all speaking MOA I made a pdf conversion chart and I leave it out or attach it to a dope card.... problem solved. Now I can give my moa buddy super quick calls and I can convert his minutes to my mills in a glance. Imo the best thiing I ever did was go Mills. Just made shit easier for me.

 

[Glassaholic]

yes they both end up in the same place guess it makes no difference there.now with all the new scopes coming out makes it hard to decide what to get.the ultra short line might be nice to try maybe also.

The Ultra Shorts are amazing; however, there are 4 brand new ultra short designs coming out this year (https://www.snipershide.com/shooting/threads/2018-year-of-the-ultra-shorts.6868822/#post-6873926) all with better reticles than the H2CMR and P4L. Also, Schmidt is releasing two reticles this year, the MSR2 and the LRR-Mil reticle, both of which are more helpful than the H2CMR and P4L, but you'll also find that reticle preference is very much just that - preference. I tend to prefer the .2 mil hash reticle designs while others like the cleaner .5 mil design, I think the MSR2 is the best of both worlds - https://finnaccuracy.com/blogs/fa-news/msr2-available-soon

One last thing, the reason I now prefer mil/mrad over moa is because at 1000 yards 1 mil equates to 36"/3' which is something my brain can wrap around, and at 500 yards it is 18" and so forth, so if you ever lose your rangefinder you can use your reticle to calculate distances. You can do the same with moa but I find those increments harder for my brain to calculate.

 

[scorpio 25]

Frank has an excellent article on this - https://www.snipershide.com/mils-vs-moa-practical/

Like you scorpio, I used to be an MOA guy and always thought MOA = inches and mil/mrad = centimeters; however, this is not the case, they are both angular units of measure and once you understand that and get away from inches vs centimeters the better you'll understand how to use the system

yes might go to mil mil to be on the same page with everyone also.maybe I will wait for the new SnB to come out with the new reticles just for something different to try unless I can get a super deal on one somewhere.

 

[alaskalanche]

I run mills surrounded by MOA spotters and other MOA shooters. Because of them all speaking MOA I made a pdf conversion chart and I leave it out or attach it to a dope card.... problem solved. Now I can give my moa buddy super quick calls and I can convert his minutes to my mills in a glance. Imo the best thiing I ever did was go Mills. Just made shit easier for me.

Haha I did the exactly same thing on my spotting scope. Made it up in excel and laminated it and stuck slipped inside the spotter cover for quick reference no matter who is shooting what.

 

[Sogan]

Use whatever you are comfortable with/ what your friends shoot. Trying to do conversions for wind calls etc is a pain.

 

[Holliday]

Just like SAE vs Metric, avoid converting and just use the system you have on board. The key is having the reticle match the dials. I only have mil/mil at this point but would have no problem adding an moa/moa to my line up. I’d just switch to moa completely when I did dope cards etc.

 

[DAVID1989]

I recently bought my first mil scope and I'm really happy with my decision to switch. I'd shot moa based scopes for 20 years before that. It takes some getting used to but in my mind it's simpler being able to work with 0.1 increments and smaller numbers. For example at 500 yards it'd take 10 moa or 2.9 mils. And as others have said it's doing the same thing as moa just different numbers. But at the the end of the day use what you're comfortable with.

 

[Wyzrd]

I second everything said already. It’s all the same. I have one moa scope left that I usually use on a hunting rifle, and the rest are in Mils. Dealing with the smaller #’s in Mils made it a lot easier for me when I first made the transition from moa scopes. Now, I’d be good with either, but I prefer Mils.

 

[VegasHKShooter]

I shot MOA my whole shooting career 30+ years. About a year ago I switched to mils, as the guys I was shooting with all shot them. It is MUCH easier to all speak the same language. I haven’t regretted it one bit. The biggest issue I had was to get inches and MOA out of my head, and just THINK in mils. Use the reticle to measure your correction, and adjust to what the reticle tells you. Don’t look at your hits, and think of the correction in MOA, and convert it. Just measure it in mils, based on what it’s telling you, and adjust accordingly.

I see new guys measure hits/misses in MOA, and then think “.1 mil is .36 MOA, what’s my conversion?” The correct way is “my reticle says I’m .3 mils left, adjust .3 mils, and send it.”

This has made my shoot better and get faster hits.

 

[scorpio 25]

great info a lot of good advice thanks

 

[Holliday]

One thing I do like about mils, is lately I have been using ballistic labels on my turrets on my hunting rifles. The mil markings are covered.

If I want to quickly cross refence or verify dope from a ballistic app that gives me say 3.7 mils, I can simply move the decimal point and count 37 clicks. Boom.....