Cheytac's M200 bipod setup

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Fellas,

Odds are good that i'm going to do a joint run of M200 CheyTac type bipods in the very near future. A deposit to secure one of these setups will be asked. The amount will be made available within the next week or so.

They will fit the following rifles in a bolt-on configuration.

1. Windrunner / EDM Rifles, any reciever configuration.
2. Barrett M107 rifles or any rifle with a picatinny long top rail or I can modifity the upper reciever to install the bipod design to the rifle.
3. McCree aluminum modular stock with a forward top rail configuration.

Will install to the following known stocks. These require that you send the stock to me for the installation of the stock.

1. TAC50 McMillan
2. Any "A" series stock, A2, A3, A4 or A5 stock. I will need the rifle to layout the stock and adapt to recieve the adapter for the bipod setup.
3. Other stocks may be considered on an individual basis.

Link to page with photos of the TAC 50 layout

Please post questions here or PM me direct. This will be fun
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Trigger
Adapted to McMillan type TAC50 stocks with or without a 5" nose extension. Price to be determined to include the glass work and installation of the bipod.
 
#2
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Yep, the McCree stock would need the over the barrel night vision mount adapter on board. However, if you have one without it, I can manufacture one and install it on your stock.

Trigger
 
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I do not. There is no installation done yet on a McRee, I just know it will work. I've looked at it, was going to do that after I did the M107 modification. The mounting is similar to the method used on this pic of the system on an M107 rifle.

Trigger

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#5
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Here are some more photos of the 200 design on EDM type rifles. For those who don't know, at one time, the M200 was a modified EDM Windrunner rifle. CT now has the recievers built by their providor, barrels by Lawton and the final assembly done by cheytac.

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#9
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I have a McRees stock with a varmint forend and I have been holding off on my bipod as I am not crazy about most of the stuff out there. It has a gap of an inch or more between foreend and barrel.

Is this fastened to a rail of some sort or fixed by screws into something? I have enough room for a Picatinny rail on top of the forend if that works or, even simpler, can drill and tap the forend for a couple screws to mount direct or to mount a mounting block.

If I can make this work I would like to get on the list.
 
#10
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XM-2 is currently on it's 14th .408 barrel. But only on it's 2ed .375 barrel. Now all our trainers have their own rifles, so they leave mine alone!
djd
 
#11
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Dang I wish I had a MCree fitted rifle to take advantage of this product run.


Quick question tho, Is the M200 bipod set up a fixed design or does it allow for adjustment similiar to the function of the swivel feature on the harris bipods? left to right cant or is that only varied through the height of the individual legs?


- John
 
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<span style="font-weight: bold">"Ah Thanks, Thats what I thought I didnt think it was fixed".</span>

If you don't mind me asking: What is in need of fixing? How much cant plus leg adjustment do you require?

djd
 
#17
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JPMuscle...

The neat thing about the CT bipod setup is that there is no limitation on the rotation. On the M107 model, also the McCree design, there is some limitation, BUT there is a huge difference between bipods that swivel a bit on a stud, vs. the cheytac method.

Normal swivel type bipods have a tendancy to be unstable due to fact >90% of the gun weight sits on TOP of the bipod. Add that overmass to the sway-ability, and you have an unstable platform. Yes, you can tension this, but that works against you too. Eventually one leg sinks into the ground faster than the other.

The cheytac bipod design bypasses this by suspending the mass of the gun's weight BELOW the bipods rotation point. This means the gun is "hanging" and not sitting on top of a bipod point. The cheytac setup allows the gun to obtain a natural "neutral" hang because the weight is suspending NOT supported. Very stable system. The cuff that the legs attach to slide and rotate freely (tension is adjustable) allowing the gun to find it's own neutral spot.

Make sense?

Guys, this bipod deal is going to happen. Will place the order for the components soon. 25 of these are going to be built and will be anything from bolt on models for McCree type stocks and M107 systems, to ones that will need to come to me for custom installation (fiberglass stocks). Turn around will be no more than 2 weeks once I have the metal parts in hand.

Questions?

Respectfully,
Trigger

PS, the legs in this photo are an earlier model, the newer cheytac model for the last few years is their round, and stouter design that you saw on Ultimate Weapons, etc.

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#18
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Guys,

I am procuring a number of TAC50 stocks for this project. They will be setup with the cheytac bipod unit, adjustable cheekpiece, and EITHER the spacer system for Length of Pull, or the 3-way metal unit. McMillan will say it won't work on the TAC50 stock, but they will, I install them myself, it's painful, but beautiful when done. I will have these stocks in 2 months, guaranteed. I can bed your rifle and complete the setup. Please contact me direct at [email protected] for quotes etc.

As you know there is a huge wait for the McMillan stocks, they started the time for delivery at 4-6 months. Since i'm getting them as unfinished blanks, and doing the installation of the hardware myself, the delivery time went down, plus I know people there.
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It helps.

Thanks,
Trigger
 
#19
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Trigger do you think the "handle" on the M200 does anything for accuracy? Or is it a left over of the EDM hanging down and someone decited to attatch something to it because it was no longer needed since the bipod was moved out. I have heard that cutting it off affected accuracy.( I don't see how it could do anything.) Your thoughts please................

And what part of the bipod is your design? The fact that it is attached to a circle? Over the barrel bipods are at least 45 years old (Thank you Germans)

wa2000-1.jpg

wa2000-3.jpg

Just courious. I see that you "designed" them but want clarification of what part you designed.

Did you notice any difference (other than weight loss) fluting the reciever? How much weight did fluting it take off? sorry about all the questions thanks for all your replies I appreciate it.

 
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Jimmy,

The "handle" or strut is there for rigidity and strength to the system. The tube slides over an extended barrel nut. With a tube about 16-18" long, there is alot of downforce applied to the nut and barrel shank. THAT causes accuracy problems. The "handle" is there to unload that stress and transfer the load to the strongest part of the reciever. That being the forward reciever area which is stronger as a result of that large lug at the bottom of the reciever. It is NOT a left over, it is now used to make the system stronger.

I have made a couple of carbines that used shorter barrels 26.5", a shorter tube, 8". That moves mass towards the reciever and therefore less stress on the reciever itself. That works fine for a lighter system. These barrels were carbon barrels also. Very light system. Here are some pics of that cat. Very nice gun, PS, this barrel had over 8000 rounds before retirement. Very tired but, good for about 1.25 - 1.4 MOA then though.

That description make sense?

Trigger

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#21
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Trigger -thanks that makes perfect sense. How much weight did "fluting" the receiver take off. I have thought about doing it to mine but wasn't sure it was worth the effort.(sure looks cool) Do you think you could elaborate on my other questions. I would appreciate it Jimmy
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Triggerfifty</div><div class="ubbcode-body">JPMuscle...

The neat thing about the CT bipod setup is that there is no limitation on the rotation. On the M107 model, also the McCree design, there is some limitation, BUT there is a huge difference between bipods that swivel a bit on a stud, vs. the cheytac method.

Normal swivel type bipods have a tendancy to be unstable due to fact >90% of the gun weight sits on TOP of the bipod. Add that overmass to the sway-ability, and you have an unstable platform. Yes, you can tension this, but that works against you too. Eventually one leg sinks into the ground faster than the other.

The cheytac bipod design bypasses this by suspending the mass of the gun's weight BELOW the bipods rotation point. This means the gun is "hanging" and not sitting on top of a bipod point. The cheytac setup allows the gun to obtain a natural "neutral" hang because the weight is suspending NOT supported. Very stable system. The cuff that the legs attach to slide and rotate freely (tension is adjustable) allowing the gun to find it's own neutral spot.

Make sense?

Guys, this bipod deal is going to happen. Will place the order for the components soon. 25 of these are going to be built and will be anything from bolt on models for McCree type stocks and M107 systems, to ones that will need to come to me for custom installation (fiberglass stocks). Turn around will be no more than 2 weeks once I have the metal parts in hand.

Questions?

Respectfully,
Trigger

PS, the legs in this photo are an earlier model, the newer cheytac model for the last few years is their round, and stouter design that you saw on Ultimate Weapons, etc.

DSC00111.JPG
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Trigger,

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can your bipod be adapted to fit the forearm of a MAK Tubegun like this one?

http://jenseprecision.com/mak-tube-guns.html
 
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Sure, but it'd take some rewriting of the CNC program. That cuff is made on a 4-axis CNC machine, which takes time (read dollars) to reprogram or rewrite the program, probably not too bad though.

What is the O.D. of that tube, to the third decimal point?

Trigger

PS, looks like a good candidate.
 
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Trigger,

Thanks for the in depth response to my above question. Jus throwing this out there but why stop at the specific platforms you mentioned. Im willing to bet there would be a huge interest and demand from the AR10/15 crowd for those who are running regular free float tubes on their rifles. Only problem I for see would be variations in the tube OD and the fact that the longest factory tubes are roughly 12" long. Ive never seen factory tubes longer than that.

I figure your not looking to get into large volume production but small batches here and there would be awesome.


Oh and real quick when you were describing how the bipod cuff allows for rotation what keeps the cuff attatched to the tube? To prevent it from sliding forward or rearward?
 
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Sorry for not responding, been doing some good long range shooting, awesome weekend.

Friction alone keeps the bipod cuff from moving forward and backward. It will over time move a bit, from recoil and driving forces, it moves forward. However, unless the shooter is completely not watching his system, it'll get noticed before the cuff can slip off of the tube. One could put a retaining screw in the tube, but that looks ratty, or one could machine a composite retainer that slides into the tube and have a small collar that "captures" the cuff, but that adds cost. Just keep an eye on it and you'd be fine.

Also, i'm not planning on doing these more than one time anyway, so no, long term production is not my interest. Between nursing and the other things I do, I do not need the income that much, and I don't want to be pinned down by this vs. a couple of other projects.

Thanks,
Trigger
 
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Trigger,

Thanks for the response, Good to hear about the weekend, im jealous.I figured it was just quality engineering that was responsible for the bipod. I ask becuase im thinking about putting together something similiar for my Varmint AR build. I dont have access to any CNC equipment so its hand tools all the way. It hopefully wont be overly crude but at least I can say I built it.

-john
 
#31
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Hi fellas,

I've gotten quotes back, I have developed a price schedule for different applications. All but 6 of these are spoken for, I might expand the order. Deposits will secure the order of sale.

PM me direct or email me and i'll send you the pricing schedule. For the one guy that wrote to me from a competitor, don't do it, I know who you are and I hate knockoff artists. I know it's not cheap, but this isn't my passion anymore, i'm doing it to put a damn fine design out there, the "bipods" that are out there are very substandard and don't work well, you all know what I mean.

Feel free to question away, thanks!

Trigger
 
#32
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Price sheet for M200 style bipod:

Package 1: Bipod legs and cuff unit only, for installation direct to 2.50” O.D. forearm tubes: Cost: $750.00

Package 2: For installation on fiberglass heavy caliber rifle stocks. This installation, (I need your stock in hand, not the barreled action) includes extending the nose of the forearm 5”, installing the mounting bar into the forearm of the stock and installation of the full bipod unit.

TAC50 McMillan stocks, A2, A3, A4, A5 McMillan stocks
Cost: $975.00 (hardware only): FINAL COST FOR FULL SETUP AND ALL OPTIONS: $1375.00. SUBTRACT THE BELOW OPTIONS IF YOU DON’T WANT THESE ITEMS DONE.

Refinish cost if you want the stock painted: $150.00

Extend the nose only 5” and other glass work, this includes reshaping the pistol grip to a more vertical and ergonomic shape and glass a special “toe” on the rear of the butt plate. $150.00

Installation cost of all metal hardware and stock setup. $150.00

Package 3: CheyTac M200 full design, applies directly to all EDM and CheyTac M200 type rifles: $1000.00

Package 4: McCrees type stock design. This installation includes the design, machining and installation of a top rail mount for the tube, cuff and bipod legs. I need only the stock in hand for the installation: $1000.00

Package 5: Barrett M107 or retro-installation to the M82: $1000.00 for M107, $1200.00 for the M82 without the front rail in place. This includes modification to the upper receiver of the M82 for the mounting of this bipod unit.

PACKAGE 6: I AM ACQUIRING A NUMBER OF TAC50 STOCKS. THESE WILL HAVE SADDLE CHEEKPIECES, AND SPACER OR 3 WAY METAL ADJUSTABLE BUTTPLATES. STOCKS WILL BE FULLY MODIFIED PER S.O.E. SPECS, WITH A 5” NOSE EXTENSION, MODIFIED PISTOL GRIP, MODIFIED TOE OF THE BUTT PLATE AREA, INLETTING AND PILLAR BEDDING OF YOUR BARRELED ACTION, AND PAINTED TO YOUR DESIRE: $1350.00 (available Nov 2009)

Please contact me direct at [email protected] to arrange special requirements, rapid delivery, etc.
 
#34
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Hi, not a stupid question.

Keeping that fast change barrel capability was critical on the design of the M200 rifle, not sure why, I've been a long gun shooter for 20 years and have never had that need.

Anyway, you pull a tension pin, use the "handle" to rotate the barrel nut 1/4 turn to loosen the nut, unclamp the tube clamp and remove the bipod unit, then unscrew the barrel nut, change barrels (or whatever one does when the do a quick barrel change), reinstall the entire unit. Takes about 45 sec to 1 minute to do that.

Trigger
 
#35
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the reasom i asked is that im putting together a 460steyr for hunting but also have another slot for 50 bmg
So one riffle would do both ,
The cheytac would be no good as its not based on the bmg case
But dont forget to pm me the sales details for europe etc
Excuse the spelling but just comming out of anasthetic so spelling will be a bit off
Cheers
 
#36
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Anasthesia, hope all went well. You mention a 460 Steyr, So I understand, is this an EDM Windrunner with a switch barrel capability in 50 BMG and in 460 Steyr?

Trigger
 
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have not made the purchase yet well not quite a friend makes an updated steyr hs 50 rifle with switch barrel but i can import the edm from italy , plus your bipod , wanted one for years so we shall see ,
like ive said the biggest problem with importing stuff is at least a 19% tax
i did post on here earlier to see if anyone has experience of the steyr ,
shame the cheytac is not based on the bmg
had to have surgery on my back this morning without anesthesia only when they were done did i get it, now that was painfull!!!
 
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they said it had to be done that way so they could see what was damaged , basically when i screemed like a little girl it meant that bit was fucked , and i did screem !
cheers for the NHS
 
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Guys,

Have bumped the order for full TAC50 stocks up to 6 units, delivered to me in 6 weeks. For those that have responded in the affirmative for the TAC50 setup with the bipod unit installed, finished and action bedded for $1375.00, send me an email or PM to confirm.

Thanks, this order is growing. Almost all bipod units are sold at this point.

Trigger
 
#44
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dave338</div><div class="ubbcode-body">.......... a 460steyr for hunting ...... </div></div>

Dave338 ,

just out of my curiosity , a 460Steyr for hunting ??
For hunting what ?
......with a 600gr bullet at 3000 fps you can only hunt flying whales !!??
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I'm also building up a 460Steyr baby , if you need anything from Italy and I can be of any help let me know .

stay safe ,
PP out
 
#46
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Triggerfifty,

I was at a range last month and saw the below bipod on a hand guard (tube). I watched the guy shoot a couple rounds and asked if I could take a picture of his rig. The bipod was awesome, rugged, strong and had no wiggle when shot.

I don't remember the name of the manufacturer. I am wondering if it is one of yours or a prototype of your bipod you previously released? If so, I am very interested.

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#47
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That's the setup JimmyM40A3 collaborated with RND to develop for his EDM .408 Windrunner. With the Cheytac system not available for EDM rifles, this was a project to find a solution to the bipod placement problem. I have the same setup on my EDM rifle as well.
 
#48
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its a real pitty nobody makes a production model of that style bipod for the AR10/15 crowd. They would be a huge hit.
 
#49
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It's really designed for big bore rifles, that's why. However, you can get the Tango Down bipod split into individual legs with rail mounts, essentially giving you the same effect. This is what I have on my SPR and it's quite stable.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dogtown</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It's really designed for big bore rifles, that's why. However, you can get the Tango Down bipod split into individual legs with rail mounts, essentially giving you the same effect. This is what I have on my SPR and it's quite stable. </div></div>

That makes sense but a stable platform is a stable platfrom regardless though right regardless of caliber?

On that tango down bipod did your order it factory that way or piece it together?
 
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