CNN "liberal intellectual" Reza Aslan calls for genocide of Trump supporters.

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I agree with most you said. Trump is a step in the right direction compared to any president of my time. Look at what he is up against already. The President alone cannot undo everything you mentioned. It would take many people that would fight against the establishment. So far he has been the only one to do so. He exposed much corruption and I think you can acknowledge that. I do not agree with everything that he has said and all he has done but I also don’t live in that political hellhole so can not relate to what it takes to get something done in that environment.
 
Would you care if I said that America already has socialist programs en masse and since he has not abolished or even antagonized them in any form other than verbal posturing that he's complacently facilitating socialism through the highest office in the land? Do you think that the defining element of socialism is when the government controls the means of production, and then to prop up American industry's net losses for the sake of world economic leverage on the taxpayer's dime is somehow not socialist but instead patriotic? Forgive me if I've forgotten the free trade pushing socialists in history, but I'm under the impression that's pretty archetypically socialist as well. If it's not socialist, then please tell me where does it say that spending money from the labor of others is patriotic.

Lower taxes? That's largely about perspective. "I would impose a one-time 14.25% net worth tax on individuals and trusts with a net worth of over $10 million.” Translation: Knock knock, it's Trump. Pay me because I fucking said so. In my opinion, all taxation without direct consent is a required basis of socialism. I don't knock him for not abolishing taxes, as if it were so easy realistically, but his tax policy is not based on logic or fairness. It's based on the government's (specifically the WH) foreseen fiscal needs. I can reduce taxes all day long, but if I don't reduce welfare systems the tank is going to empty and budget problems will amass when I want to force the initiative on something. Something like a wall, maybe. Or perhaps socialized medicine!

“The goal of health care reform should be a system that looks a lot like Canada.” and "We must have universal healthcare.” sounds cheap as fuck and an awesome totally not socialist ideal. Good job. I'm sure the $28 billion he fucked into the farming industry just came out of the same thin air or wherever the fuck you must think this money comes from.

You wouldn't know a patriot if George Washington kicked you in the cunt, you just want to be a political tribalist and Trump stirs your batter with his persona. You forget that no patriot would ever abide the curtailing of any part of the BOR. Nor would they encourage unworthy, or discourage worthy, industry businesses to struggle on a citizen's dime because he/she won't shut the fuck up on the world stage. Nor would they collect and keep social security while doing all of this for fear the citizens would instead invest their money themselves on the world market and get the average rate of yearly return— perhaps then actually benefitting from where their tax money goes every time it has to bandaid a bunch of tariffs and/or piece of shit American companies that can't turtle walk their ass into obscurity to be replaced by actually capable American companies.

I ain't getting my brains beat out for a single person in the federal system. Half our fucking government is incompatible with democracy, let alone liberty. Trump holds the highest office in the land, and yet he does less than nothing about it. Fucking stupid hill for a patriot to die on, I don't know how anyone can't see that.

Republicans and democrats are both for big government. Anyone who is for small government gets cut off at the knees. Like 999 or any other person talking about cutting governments size. its the lesser of 2 evils. One of the Paul's would be the best thing we might have a chance of getting but the women would f that all up.

Be careful you will get a police file that says you are "anti government " if you are outspoken about .govs size and waste
 
Would you care if I said that America already has socialist programs en masse and since he has not abolished or even antagonized them in any form other than verbal posturing that he's complacently facilitating socialism through the highest office in the land? Do you think that the defining element of socialism is when the government controls the means of production, and then to prop up American industry's net losses for the sake of world economic leverage on the taxpayer's dime is somehow not socialist but instead patriotic? Forgive me if I've forgotten the free trade pushing socialists in history, but I'm under the impression that's pretty archetypically socialist as well. If it's not socialist, then please tell me where does it say that spending money from the labor of others is patriotic.

Lower taxes? That's largely about perspective. "I would impose a one-time 14.25% net worth tax on individuals and trusts with a net worth of over $10 million.” Translation: Knock knock, it's Trump. Pay me because I fucking said so. In my opinion, all taxation without direct consent is a required basis of socialism. I don't knock him for not abolishing taxes, as if it were so easy realistically, but his tax policy is not based on logic or fairness. It's based on the government's (specifically the WH) foreseen fiscal needs. I can reduce taxes all day long, but if I don't reduce welfare systems the tank is going to empty and budget problems will amass when I want to force the initiative on something. Something like a wall, maybe. Or perhaps socialized medicine!

“The goal of health care reform should be a system that looks a lot like Canada.” and "We must have universal healthcare.” sounds cheap as fuck and an awesome totally not socialist ideal. Good job. I'm sure the $28 billion he fucked into the farming industry just came out of the same thin air or wherever the fuck you must think this money comes from.

You wouldn't know a patriot if George Washington kicked you in the cunt, you just want to be a political tribalist and Trump stirs your batter with his persona. You forget that no patriot would ever abide the curtailing of any part of the BOR. Nor would they encourage unworthy, or discourage worthy, industry businesses to struggle on a citizen's dime because he/she won't shut the fuck up on the world stage. Nor would they collect and keep social security while doing all of this for fear the citizens would instead invest their money themselves on the world market and get the average rate of yearly return— perhaps then actually benefitting from where their tax money goes every time it has to bandaid a bunch of tariffs and/or piece of shit American companies that can't turtle walk their ass into obscurity to be replaced by actually capable American companies.

I ain't getting my brains beat out for a single person in the federal system. Half our fucking government is incompatible with democracy, let alone liberty. Trump holds the highest office in the land, and yet he does less than nothing about it. Fucking stupid hill for a patriot to die on, I don't know how anyone can't see that.
Look, I admire your picking a high target, but your stance is essentially that if Trump hasn’t reversed about 100 years of progressivism in 2-1/2 years then he isn’t worthy. No matter that he has taken on both the depth of the swamp and the weasel plays of the rhinos with little support other than that of the unwashed masses that make up his base.

I’m not 100% Trump, but you are setting a standard that is so high that nobody could accomplish it in most of a lifetime. Great idea, but as realistic as expecting that unicorn to show up for your birthday party.
 
Would you care if I said that America already has socialist programs en masse and since he has not abolished or even antagonized them in any form other than verbal posturing that he's complacently facilitating socialism through the highest office in the land? Do you think that the defining element of socialism is when the government controls the means of production, and then to prop up American industry's net losses for the sake of world economic leverage on the taxpayer's dime is somehow not socialist but instead patriotic? Forgive me if I've forgotten the free trade pushing socialists in history, but I'm under the impression that's pretty archetypically socialist as well. If it's not socialist, then please tell me where does it say that spending money from the labor of others is patriotic.

Lower taxes? That's largely about perspective. "I would impose a one-time 14.25% net worth tax on individuals and trusts with a net worth of over $10 million.” Translation: Knock knock, it's Trump. Pay me because I fucking said so. In my opinion, all taxation without direct consent is a required basis of socialism. I don't knock him for not abolishing taxes, as if it were so easy realistically, but his tax policy is not based on logic or fairness. It's based on the government's (specifically the WH) foreseen fiscal needs. I can reduce taxes all day long, but if I don't reduce welfare systems the tank is going to empty and budget problems will amass when I want to force the initiative on something. Something like a wall, maybe. Or perhaps socialized medicine!

“The goal of health care reform should be a system that looks a lot like Canada.” and "We must have universal healthcare.” sounds cheap as fuck and an awesome totally not socialist ideal. Good job. I'm sure the $28 billion he fucked into the farming industry just came out of the same thin air or wherever the fuck you must think this money comes from.

You wouldn't know a patriot if George Washington kicked you in the cunt, you just want to be a political tribalist and Trump stirs your batter with his persona. You forget that no patriot would ever abide the curtailing of any part of the BOR. Nor would they encourage unworthy, or discourage worthy, industry businesses to struggle on a citizen's dime because he/she won't shut the fuck up on the world stage. Nor would they collect and keep social security while doing all of this for fear the citizens would instead invest their money themselves on the world market and get the average rate of yearly return— perhaps then actually benefitting from where their tax money goes every time it has to bandaid a bunch of tariffs and/or piece of shit American companies that can't turtle walk their ass into obscurity to be replaced by actually capable American companies.

I ain't getting my brains beat out for a single person in the federal system. Half our fucking government is incompatible with democracy, let alone liberty. Trump holds the highest office in the land, and yet he does less than nothing about it. Fucking stupid hill for a patriot to die on, I don't know how anyone can't see that.
The majority of your list of bitches existed befor T came into office.
I've yet to find any candidate that I agree with on everything.
If you think only half of our government is fucked up and you are calling out another hide member I
have some bad news for you...

R
 
Sorry if my post came off like a lecture. I'm not calling anyone out on the Hide if you're talking about George Washington kicking people in the dick. I never said homie himself wasn't a patriot— in fact I strongly implied that he is blinded by his patriotism.

My bottom line is any encroachment on the Constitution is unacceptable, that's not unrealistic it's the law. Literally all the other laws could change but the Constitution would still stand with them all subordinate as long as our republic stands at all, thus they are of primary importance to me on even a logical level. Socialist ideals have infested the federal government and Trump abides them, granted in an effort to keep things running well, but perpetuating the attitude it's acceptable all the same. The WH is working for wallstreet, which is great...but it could be a fuck ton better. The entire system needs to change, him playing aggressive favoritism politics shouldn't distract you from the fact that it's literally his fucking job to advocate for the people per The Constitution and his Presidential Oath of Office.

"Take the guns first, due process second." -Trump

"Kiss my ass you tyrant fucking tory." - Me
 
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Agree that Trump is neither a socialist, nor a conservative of any particular stripe. There is not ideology or principle governing his actions. He's a greedy, bumbling incompetent who does whatever he can to enrich himself and feed his overweening narcissism. Indeed, he might be the purest politician ever elected to high office.

The rabid reactions against him are unhinged, as is the unwavering support for him. We're fucked because of extremists on both sides, and the manic necessity they articulate at every opportunity. It's taken sometime, but beginning to believe you civil-war 2.0 guys may be right. Guess we'll see ...
 
Bwaahaha. Another TDS victim.
A bumbling incompetent Billionaire??
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You just wait until we get his tax returns!!

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Agree that Trump is neither a socialist, nor a conservative of any particular stripe. There is not ideology or principle governing his actions. He's a greedy, bumbling incompetent who does whatever he can to enrich himself and feed his overweening narcissism. Indeed, he might be the purest politician ever elected to high office.

The rabid reactions against him are unhinged, as is the unwavering support for him. We're fucked because of extremists on both sides, and the manic necessity they articulate at every opportunity. It's taken sometime, but beginning to believe you civil-war 2.0 guys may be right. Guess we'll see ...
 
You just vote and hold reps accountable, no 1776 pt2 needed. Bitch to their faces if you have to, but bitch you should. Will it get kinda sketchy? This thread topic kinda indicates so. Nonetheless, American democracy and self-sufficient citizens are extremely compatible. Unfortunately, we've formed so many welfare systems which along with invasions of privacy and property have bred a system rife with "that's the way it's done on the hill" mentalities. There have been miscarriages of literally, mathematically, common-sense economic benefits to the individual collectively which the current system basically robs you of. There are infringements to civil rights because democracy is easily exploitable from both within and outside, also add in a heaping spoonful of people who trade money for security not giving a flying fuck and/or encouraging it— and here we are with middle east and Russian shit in our pants talking about what it would be like to go to blows with each other as a country over a bunch of (mostly) invented social opinion bullshit— while the politicians eye up our right to own firearms and speak freely. Oh my fuck what a time to be alive.

We've adopted these socialist and tyrannical encroachments because other nations exploit the labor/resources/trade geography of their citizens on the world market more efficiently than us. Look at China, for instance, who is in many ways our world economic counterpart. Anything less than a graceful transition and reduction in the government is bad for all Americans and will have far-reaching implications. We need to just concentrate on taking the decisions of other people out of our wallets and homes. One step at a time, procedurally and fairly. Without bashing each other's heads in would be nice, but this is 2019 we can't have nice shit I guess.

If some neckbeard kicks in your door and invades your home defend yourself, but don't do it for Trump of patriotism. Do it because you should defend yourself and your property.
 
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I still have not heard any evidence of this President signing any socialist program into law, or even advocating for one; and I would have noticed. The first item on his agenda was to try to dismantle a socialist healthcare law. He had all the democrats, all the media, and all but a handful of republicans against him. The bill failed; not his fault. He's smart enough to realize he's essentially on his own, and must pick his fights. He managed to make strides toward finishing the 'wall'; same bunch oppose this. He' s tapped into a national unrest that seems to be well represented on this forum. I have not seen any other republican stand up and fight for conservative principles and the constitution like this one has, and I give him tremendous credit and respect for it. Yes, I wish he could dismantle the welfare state and the progressive/Marxist tax system, among others, but he can't do it alone; I believe he would do it if he could. I believe almost all the on here would at least credit him for his support of the 2nd amendment, if nothing else. I am grateful for someone who will stand up and fight for these things, so 'let's give credit where credit is due'.
 
I'm not trying to argue with you man, I pretty much agree with you I just think that it's realistic to expect more from him. Does he deserve more credit than the shit I am giving him, sure. He has done well all things considered, yes. Better than all the ones that I've personally seen hold that office. Do I support him officially, personally no. I don't see how any gun owner could but that's up to them and I've more than spoken my mind on the other issues I have with his presidency.
 
I'm not trying to argue with you man, I pretty much agree with you I just think that it's realistic to expect more from him. Does he deserve more credit than the shit I am giving him, sure. He has done well all things considered, yes. Better than all the ones that I've personally seen hold that office. Do I support him officially, personally no. I don't see how any gun owner could but that's up to them and I've more than spoken my mind on the other issues I have with his presidency.
fair enough
 
It's a socialist system, you can't win the freedom jackpot with anyone like him as POTUS when he hasn't done much to push back socialism in America at all. "America will never be a socialist country", but he's concentrating on business and American world market reinforcing socialism instead of the individual while trampling the 2nd Amendment of the Bill of Rights— as Reagan did. Another celebrity socialist, go figure. Now I don't care if you support him, and I admit that he's not a bad economist whereas Reagan was a genuine fucking retard, but if this country hadn't made him rich he wouldn't give a single fuck about it. He doesn't give a fuck about the Republican party, and he's never gone without a single fucking thing in his life. Yall two aint got shit in common when it comes to anything, he's just your useful idiot and you're a small part of his.

So you know Donald Trump personally?

Or are you just a whiny Republican who didn't get his choice on the primaries? Maybe Mitt Romney is more your speed.

He's concentrating on the things a President is supposed to be concentrating on. If you want socialist laws and policies repealed, direct your whining towards CONGRESS.

Enough whining the fuck already.
 
Would you care if I said that America already has socialist programs en masse and since he has not abolished or even antagonized them in any form other than verbal posturing that he's complacently facilitating socialism through the highest office in the land? Do you think that the defining element of socialism is when the government controls the means of production, and then to prop up American industry's net losses for the sake of world economic leverage on the taxpayer's dime is somehow not socialist but instead patriotic? Forgive me if I've forgotten the free trade pushing socialists in history, but I'm under the impression that's pretty archetypically socialist as well. If it's not socialist, then please tell me where does it say that spending money from the labor of others is patriotic.

Lower taxes? That's largely about perspective. "I would impose a one-time 14.25% net worth tax on individuals and trusts with a net worth of over $10 million.” Translation: Knock knock, it's Trump. Pay me because I fucking said so. In my opinion, all taxation without direct consent is a required basis of socialism. I don't knock him for not abolishing taxes, as if it were so easy realistically, but his tax policy is not based on logic or fairness. It's based on the government's (specifically the WH) foreseen fiscal needs. I can reduce taxes all day long, but if I don't reduce welfare systems the tank is going to empty and budget problems will amass when I want to force the initiative on something. Something like a wall, maybe. Or perhaps socialized medicine!

“The goal of health care reform should be a system that looks a lot like Canada.” and "We must have universal healthcare.” sounds cheap as fuck and an awesome totally not socialist ideal. Good job. I'm sure the $28 billion he fucked into the farming industry just came out of the same thin air or wherever the fuck you must think this money comes from.

You wouldn't know a patriot if George Washington kicked you in the cunt, you just want to be a political tribalist and Trump stirs your batter with his persona. You forget that no patriot would ever abide the curtailing of any part of the BOR. Nor would they encourage unworthy, or discourage worthy, industry businesses to struggle on a citizen's dime because he/she won't shut the fuck up on the world stage. Nor would they collect and keep social security while doing all of this for fear the citizens would instead invest their money themselves on the world market and get the average rate of yearly return— perhaps then actually benefitting from where their tax money goes every time it has to bandaid a bunch of tariffs and/or piece of shit American companies that can't turtle walk their ass into obscurity to be replaced by actually capable American companies.

I ain't getting my brains beat out for a single person in the federal system. Half our fucking government is incompatible with democracy, let alone liberty. Trump holds the highest office in the land, and yet he does less than nothing about it. Fucking stupid hill for a patriot to die on, I don't know how anyone can't see that.

OK, you're a fucking idiot with no absolutely NO concept of the separation of powers between the branches of government.

I'm sending you off to the ignore bin cause I'm tired of reading your demented, ignorant screechings that have zero basis in reality.
 
I don't want you insulted Cheyenne Bodie. (At least not enough to drive you away!). I'm intrigued by your ideas, and impressed by the way you lay them down; you have clearly given this some thought. I have to admit, I'm not sure I follow some of it. It's fascinating the impression Trump makes on various individuals. There is hardly ever a milquetoast reaction to him. But I'm curious. You don't sound like a conservative , but you definitely don't embrace Marxism. So where do you fall? You are hypercritical of anything that smacks of socialism, but insulting to the one man who's done any fighting against democrats. I honestly never thought of Trump as having left-leanings. I suppose you could say he inherited a fair amount of it when he got there. As I said earlier, he needs help to dismantle any part of the welfare state. That help doesn't seem to be forthcoming, thanks mostly to gutless republicans. Compared to, say, Bernie, there is certainly no comparison. I'd appreciate it if you would lay this out for me, without the rant; maybe even throw in a little back ground. After all, we are probably on the same side on most issues. I look at these things the same way I look at my shooting: it's a lifelong learning quest, and I have a lot to learn!
 
I agree I've talked too much on it already. I don't have a spectrum subscription, I abide The Constitution above all and use it as the primary meter by which to asses federal politics. I think what is right is right for all men and not just some, that doesn't take much thinking for me. It's up to the individual to decide what is right for them without bounds as long as it doesn't negatively effect anyone else.

I suppose I like Republican ideals more than Democrat ideals, Sanders is irrelevant to me. He ain't got no fire in his belly, his platform is economically vestigial and bankrupt of foreign policy— which is something I actually do respect about Trump in contrast. On the other hand, sometimes I think Trump lets his mouth run a bit more than he arguably should. Sadly, by my aforementioned meter they all full of shit. I can twist my own arm talking about how Trump isn't all that bad. I like a lot of the things he's doing differently. Not hard for me to admit that. Is he pro-liberty? Fuck no. Not even a little bit.

Now that's just my opinion, anyone can cuss me all they fucking want about it. If I said some actually retarded shit point it out, but in my opinion the POTUS is the head of our republic. Yea, we have checks and balances but no other branch is elected and appointed so acutely as the executive branch is, specifically the President. This good enough mentality ain't gonna cut it for me. I want my rights back, I want him/her to fight for them, and I ain't gonna put up with no "due-process second" Benedict Arnold fuckery.

What if we were all having a friendly dinner and I said I thought red flag raids and bumpstock bans were a good idea? I also mention I don't like silencers and I'm a staunch supporter of the NRA. Half the goddamned hide would spit out their steak right there and leave. That's where I'm at, I spit my steak the fuck out.
 
What if we were all having a friendly dinner and I said I thought red flag raids and bumpstock bans were a good idea? I also mention I don't like silencers and I'm a staunch supporter of the NRA. Half the goddamned hide would spit out their steak right there and leave. That's where I'm at, I spit my steak the fuck out.
You obviously don't play chess. Just remember this, Trump isn't a dictator and has enemies in and out of his camp. He HAS to compromise to get anything done.
 
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I'm thinking that this impeachment hissy has about worn out any chance of compromise.

I believe DJT is done with that.

Just a feeling I get. Imho

Of the things he has done that I didn't like I'm pretty sure they were a compromise and we can see how well that worked out for him.
 
I'm thinking that this impeachment hissy has about worn out any chance of compromise.

I believe DJT is done with that.

Just a feeling I get. Imho

Of the things he has done that I didn't like I'm pretty sure they were a compromise and we can see how well that worked out for him.

This Durham/Barr better be as "clean" as they are being promoted to be.

Interesting the the NY Times seems to be "leaking" some news of the coup.

Almost like they are trying to get ahead of something coming.
 
I have to change my answer I wish for no harm to any American citizen but since the left does not want people to have guns and there weapon of choice is shouting people down and burning stores and shops could they please god let them think 400,000 snowflakes could take 3/4 of the population and while holding tissues force those gun toting crazy mean people's guns freedom and homes with out blood shed silly wabbit trix are for kids .
 
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