Just seeing how much interest there is for this. I'm down with it. The NRA small bore would make a good target for points. A gong would have to be decided on. Maybe an inch or less. Something like that.
Competitors: 50 Yard Match?
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Re: Competitors: 50 Yard Match?
the usual 4-p short range has the 50 yard option. i like the 50 yard because most ranges have an established 50 yard in my area, but i shoot the 25 yd as that seems to be the most popular and get to shoot / compare.
but maybe instead of shooting the same ol' same ol', maybe something like this?
or
or
i don't know, cook up a recipe and see how it goes over.
the usual 4-p short range has the 50 yard option. i like the 50 yard because most ranges have an established 50 yard in my area, but i shoot the 25 yd as that seems to be the most popular and get to shoot / compare.
but maybe instead of shooting the same ol' same ol', maybe something like this?
or
or
i don't know, cook up a recipe and see how it goes over.
Re: Competitors: 50 Yard Match?
Ahh yeah that top dart board there would be SWEET. Or just have all 3 as different matches.
Ahh yeah that top dart board there would be SWEET. Or just have all 3 as different matches.
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I like the hostage targets, but find 50 yard inconvient because of range layout.
I can pick up my stuff and move on down a few bays and get 50 yards with out having to lay on concrete. Just to lazy I guess.
I like the hostage targets, but find 50 yard inconvient because of range layout.
I can pick up my stuff and move on down a few bays and get 50 yards with out having to lay on concrete. Just to lazy I guess.
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Nice change of targets. Will have to take those with me next time.
Nice change of targets. Will have to take those with me next time.
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Yeah I like the dart board, but I do think the hostage targets would be more challenging at 50.
Yeah I like the dart board, but I do think the hostage targets would be more challenging at 50.
Re: Competitors: 50 Yard Match?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Inline 6</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
It is a thought then for a championship you could do real ones. </div></div>
Hey inline, do you have a larger pic of this?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Inline 6</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
It is a thought then for a championship you could do real ones. </div></div>
Hey inline, do you have a larger pic of this?
Re: Competitors: 50 Yard Match?
If the dart board was 1/2" Bull and wedges not too large(less than an inch at max width) then @ 50 would work good and could do highest score with 10 shots and maybe only get one shot per wedge/bull to count forcing you to make each shot count.
For the hostage targets we could shoot both targets and have highest score out of the 10 rounds (5 per target) winner. Maybe we could draw a 1" circle on one of the targets and declare it as a cold bore shot and award bonus points to that for keeping it within the 1" ring. Just throwing ideas out there. Now to get my ass off to shoot the other comps.
If the dart board was 1/2" Bull and wedges not too large(less than an inch at max width) then @ 50 would work good and could do highest score with 10 shots and maybe only get one shot per wedge/bull to count forcing you to make each shot count.
For the hostage targets we could shoot both targets and have highest score out of the 10 rounds (5 per target) winner. Maybe we could draw a 1" circle on one of the targets and declare it as a cold bore shot and award bonus points to that for keeping it within the 1" ring. Just throwing ideas out there. Now to get my ass off to shoot the other comps.
Re: Competitors: 50 Yard Match?
biggest thing (i think) to ponder is if you guys want to do a traditional target with scoring rings or something else that's a different.
in the end, i can tag the 50 yard "whatever you guys want to call it" match along with the 4p short range threads.
other things to think about once y'all pick a target is the amount of shots, rules, posittion to shoot from, yadda yadda.
i'm thinking once (if) this thread starts getting alittle old, we can take a poll on the which target to shoot, then work out the rest.
also remember that a single bull may turn into something funky, as i can that most of the shooters here are pretty good and will turn it into 1 big hole that may be either to hard to score, or get a bit on the "boring" side.
i like the idea of a cold bore circle on whatever the target may turn out to be.
on the dart board target, i was thinking that you have the choice of going for the center bull and possibly bein a little off landing in a less point scoring wedge toward the center, or going for the wider parts and accumulating more points by having more high percentage hits in the number wedge of your choosing, just like in regular darts, or even play a "301" or "201", and the least amount of rounds to get there wins.
i'm on board with whatever, as i don't mind another excuse to shoot more.
biggest thing (i think) to ponder is if you guys want to do a traditional target with scoring rings or something else that's a different.
in the end, i can tag the 50 yard "whatever you guys want to call it" match along with the 4p short range threads.
other things to think about once y'all pick a target is the amount of shots, rules, posittion to shoot from, yadda yadda.
i'm thinking once (if) this thread starts getting alittle old, we can take a poll on the which target to shoot, then work out the rest.
also remember that a single bull may turn into something funky, as i can that most of the shooters here are pretty good and will turn it into 1 big hole that may be either to hard to score, or get a bit on the "boring" side.
i like the idea of a cold bore circle on whatever the target may turn out to be.
on the dart board target, i was thinking that you have the choice of going for the center bull and possibly bein a little off landing in a less point scoring wedge toward the center, or going for the wider parts and accumulating more points by having more high percentage hits in the number wedge of your choosing, just like in regular darts, or even play a "301" or "201", and the least amount of rounds to get there wins.
i'm on board with whatever, as i don't mind another excuse to shoot more.
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^ Yeah I've gotta say the dart board was my favorite from the start. That one gets my vote
^ Yeah I've gotta say the dart board was my favorite from the start. That one gets my vote
Re: Competitors: 50 Yard Match?
Here is what I was kicking around using the Sniper's Hide Practical Tactical Target with the bottom 4 dots changed to a "know your limits" and a cold bore shot. With the same rules as the "Smack the Smiley" comp.
Here is what I was kicking around using the Sniper's Hide Practical Tactical Target with the bottom 4 dots changed to a "know your limits" and a cold bore shot. With the same rules as the "Smack the Smiley" comp.
Re: Competitors: 50 Yard Match?
^ That's pretty cool actually with the cold bore shot and all. I like it.
^ That's pretty cool actually with the cold bore shot and all. I like it.
Re: Competitors: 50 Yard Match?
Ok I threw this together see what you think.
Rules:
Must be shot prone. No front rest only bipod, sandbag, or ruck.
Rear bag allowed.
Cold bore must be the first shot of the day.
Know your limit shot doesn't have to be taken but if you miss you lose that many points.
Ok I threw this together see what you think.
Rules:
Must be shot prone. No front rest only bipod, sandbag, or ruck.
Rear bag allowed.
Cold bore must be the first shot of the day.
Know your limit shot doesn't have to be taken but if you miss you lose that many points.
Re: Competitors: 50 Yard Match?
Neo's last target looks fine. Maybe drop the scoring for cold bore to 10 inner/5 outer points? Is it only one shot for KYL, so you'd have to decide which size to go for? Or up to one shot per bull?
I also like the dart board, but IMHO it should be relatively low round count. That way it would introduce a KYL challenge ("will I go for 20 points which could leave me only 5 or 1 points; or do I play safer and get 14 points with 11 and 9 points if I miss"). With too high round count you'd be just hunting the highest scoring wedges with no tactics involved.
I'll be onboard when I find decent fodder for my Anschutz. I like the printable targets since I can adjust them (50y vs. 50m) if allowed.
Neo's last target looks fine. Maybe drop the scoring for cold bore to 10 inner/5 outer points? Is it only one shot for KYL, so you'd have to decide which size to go for? Or up to one shot per bull?
I also like the dart board, but IMHO it should be relatively low round count. That way it would introduce a KYL challenge ("will I go for 20 points which could leave me only 5 or 1 points; or do I play safer and get 14 points with 11 and 9 points if I miss"). With too high round count you'd be just hunting the highest scoring wedges with no tactics involved.
I'll be onboard when I find decent fodder for my Anschutz. I like the printable targets since I can adjust them (50y vs. 50m) if allowed.
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IMO the cold bore is the most important shot thats why the scoring also if ya clean the target it it adds up to 100 (I like round numbers LOL) And yes it's would only be 1 shot @ the KYL targets.
IMO the cold bore is the most important shot thats why the scoring also if ya clean the target it it adds up to 100 (I like round numbers LOL) And yes it's would only be 1 shot @ the KYL targets.
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Taking into account that 22LR ammo is quite, how does one put it politely, "inconsistent", I found the value of cold bore shot somewhat diminished (compared to centerfire). For one, you cannot adjust on basis of CBS, because you don't know if you're a bit off or was it just ammo.
Of course there's two sides to the coin (inconsistency of ammo); if you make scoring area too small the result will count too much on luck. This all considering you're using some middle-of-the-pack ammo, not the stuff that costs 50 cents a piece...
It's kind of paradoxal, that reloaded subsonic CF is about the same price that equally accurate RF... (my problem is that I'm not sure if I can find truly subsonic and accurate enough RF at all)
Taking into account that 22LR ammo is quite, how does one put it politely, "inconsistent", I found the value of cold bore shot somewhat diminished (compared to centerfire). For one, you cannot adjust on basis of CBS, because you don't know if you're a bit off or was it just ammo.
Of course there's two sides to the coin (inconsistency of ammo); if you make scoring area too small the result will count too much on luck. This all considering you're using some middle-of-the-pack ammo, not the stuff that costs 50 cents a piece...
It's kind of paradoxal, that reloaded subsonic CF is about the same price that equally accurate RF... (my problem is that I'm not sure if I can find truly subsonic and accurate enough RF at all)
Re: Competitors: 50 Yard Match?
I've had excellent results from CCI Std Vel(both 0032 and 0035) both under $3.00 per 50 and Wolf Match (Target $5.00/50 and Extra $7.00/50)I also just got in some Dynamit(RF Match $9.00/50 and R50 $17.00/50) and Eley(Match EPS $15.00/50) that I have yet to try. Not sure what it cost where you are at.
I've had excellent results from CCI Std Vel(both 0032 and 0035) both under $3.00 per 50 and Wolf Match (Target $5.00/50 and Extra $7.00/50)I also just got in some Dynamit(RF Match $9.00/50 and R50 $17.00/50) and Eley(Match EPS $15.00/50) that I have yet to try. Not sure what it cost where you are at.
Re: Competitors: 50 Yard Match?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: russellmn</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why the bipod??? Why not any position you want, NO support. aka, standing, sitting/kneeling, or prone. Encourage the use of slings and REALLY show your skill. </div></div>
There is already a comp for that
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: russellmn</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why the bipod??? Why not any position you want, NO support. aka, standing, sitting/kneeling, or prone. Encourage the use of slings and REALLY show your skill. </div></div>
There is already a comp for that
Re: Competitors: 50 Yard Match?
I (and maybe some other members) can only shoot from the bench. So I would not be able to participate in any position matches like thst.
As far as targets go, I think TP (yes I'm putting the heat on you hehe), since he kinda has the most comp experience, should select a group of targets that we can then vote on.
On a personal note, I say enough talk. Let's do this thing!
I (and maybe some other members) can only shoot from the bench. So I would not be able to participate in any position matches like thst.
As far as targets go, I think TP (yes I'm putting the heat on you hehe), since he kinda has the most comp experience, should select a group of targets that we can then vote on.
On a personal note, I say enough talk. Let's do this thing!
Re: Competitors: 50 Yard Match?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SmallBoreSniper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I (and maybe some other members) can only shoot from the bench. So I would not be able to participate in any position matches like thst.</div></div>
Sorry SBS didn't know you couldn't go prone. Bench would be fine too.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SmallBoreSniper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I (and maybe some other members) can only shoot from the bench. So I would not be able to participate in any position matches like thst.</div></div>
Sorry SBS didn't know you couldn't go prone. Bench would be fine too.
Re: Competitors: 50 Yard Match?
No biggie. By all means go ahead and set up the other matches. I just only participate in the bench ones.
No biggie. By all means go ahead and set up the other matches. I just only participate in the bench ones.
Re: Competitors: 50 Yard Match?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SmallBoreSniper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">As far as targets go, I think TP (yes I'm putting the heat on you hehe), since he kinda has the most comp experience, should select a group of targets that we can then vote on.</div></div>
the heat is back at you as you suggested it!
1. which of the targets shown so far would everyone (majority rules) like to shoot at?
2. does everyone (majority rules) want to shoot at spots or human silhouette style targets? (i also just thought that an average man of 5'8" would be only 6.8" ratio wise at 50 yards as compared to 500 yards) maybe 1 or two silhouette man target (osama face?) 6.8" tall to simulate size at 500 yards?
3. either way, maybe two different ways to shoot, just like in the regular comps, prone or bench.
there was six targets posted so far, submit some more by say the end of this week (24th). from there we'll pick how many rounds (depending on target), a point structure, etc.
by mid next week we should have a decent base of target, course of fire, rules, then start it up by august 1. we can tweak it from there.
at 50 yards, i don't see any reason to have seperate caliber classes, but that's up to you guys also, something else for the majority rule.
i don't know how to insert a "poll" thingy in my post, perhaps someone can throw one up to make the vote counting easier.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SmallBoreSniper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">As far as targets go, I think TP (yes I'm putting the heat on you hehe), since he kinda has the most comp experience, should select a group of targets that we can then vote on.</div></div>
the heat is back at you as you suggested it!
1. which of the targets shown so far would everyone (majority rules) like to shoot at?
2. does everyone (majority rules) want to shoot at spots or human silhouette style targets? (i also just thought that an average man of 5'8" would be only 6.8" ratio wise at 50 yards as compared to 500 yards) maybe 1 or two silhouette man target (osama face?) 6.8" tall to simulate size at 500 yards?
3. either way, maybe two different ways to shoot, just like in the regular comps, prone or bench.
there was six targets posted so far, submit some more by say the end of this week (24th). from there we'll pick how many rounds (depending on target), a point structure, etc.
by mid next week we should have a decent base of target, course of fire, rules, then start it up by august 1. we can tweak it from there.
at 50 yards, i don't see any reason to have seperate caliber classes, but that's up to you guys also, something else for the majority rule.
i don't know how to insert a "poll" thingy in my post, perhaps someone can throw one up to make the vote counting easier.
Re: Competitors: 50 Yard Match?
how about a standard ARA target http://ara.benchrest.net/images/ARA_Target.pdf
with "modified" ARA rules from the ARA rules http://ara.benchrest.net/Rules.htm
2 classes - prone and bench
ANY caliber rimfire rifle
50 yard distance
same scoring? or to make it simplier, best edge, 10 points for center circle, 5 points next full circle, 0 points outside the circle.
rear support or none?
time limit? (A maximum of 20 minutes shall be allowed to complete each 25 shot target).
i like the idea of a cold bore shot, and getting bonus points for a good one, and the idea of somehow keeping it 25 rounds or less. i also like neoshooter's 2nd target that he posted, and the concept of using a dartboard and play 301, least amount of shots wins.
how about a standard ARA target http://ara.benchrest.net/images/ARA_Target.pdf
with "modified" ARA rules from the ARA rules http://ara.benchrest.net/Rules.htm
2 classes - prone and bench
ANY caliber rimfire rifle
50 yard distance
same scoring? or to make it simplier, best edge, 10 points for center circle, 5 points next full circle, 0 points outside the circle.
rear support or none?
time limit? (A maximum of 20 minutes shall be allowed to complete each 25 shot target).
i like the idea of a cold bore shot, and getting bonus points for a good one, and the idea of somehow keeping it 25 rounds or less. i also like neoshooter's 2nd target that he posted, and the concept of using a dartboard and play 301, least amount of shots wins.
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rear support or none?
time limit? (A maximum of 20 minutes shall be allowed to complete each 25 shot target).
i like the idea of a cold bore shot, and getting bonus points for a good one, and the idea of somehow keeping it 25 rounds or less. i also like neoshooter's 2nd target that he posted, and the concept of using a dartboard and play 301, least amount of shots wins.
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rear support or none?
time limit? (A maximum of 20 minutes shall be allowed to complete each 25 shot target).
i like the idea of a cold bore shot, and getting bonus points for a good one, and the idea of somehow keeping it 25 rounds or less. i also like neoshooter's 2nd target that he posted, and the concept of using a dartboard and play 301, least amount of shots wins.
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TOP PREDATOR said:
Re: Competitors: 50 Yard Match?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TOP PREDATOR</div><div class="ubbcode-body">how about a standard ARA target http://ara.benchrest.net/images/ARA_Target.pdf
with "modified" ARA rules from the ARA rules http://ara.benchrest.net/Rules.htm
2 classes - prone and bench
ANY caliber rimfire rifle
50 yard distance
same scoring? or to make it simplier, best edge, 10 points for center circle, 5 points next full circle, 0 points outside the circle.
rear support or none?
time limit? (A maximum of 20 minutes shall be allowed to complete each 25 shot target).
i like the idea of a cold bore shot, and getting bonus points for a good one, and the idea of somehow keeping it 25 rounds or less. i also like neoshooter's 2nd target that he posted, and the concept of using a dartboard and play 301, least amount of shots wins.
</div></div>
I like this a lot. No heat because you pretty much posted exactly the way I would have chose haha.
I like this target a lot. Also, I agree, I like the second one neo posted too. Let's you get a couple groups in there. I can't leave out the dart board cause it's just too damn cool. If left up to me, these would be the 3 targets to choose from. We could vote on 1 target to choose from, or just use all 3 and have 3 matches to choose from. How's that sound?
Oh yeah, about a rear support; I'd actually like to see one used here. It would be interesting to see some crazy good precision. Or suported and non supported could be a class like what we're currently doing with scopes/sights.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TOP PREDATOR</div><div class="ubbcode-body">how about a standard ARA target http://ara.benchrest.net/images/ARA_Target.pdf
with "modified" ARA rules from the ARA rules http://ara.benchrest.net/Rules.htm
2 classes - prone and bench
ANY caliber rimfire rifle
50 yard distance
same scoring? or to make it simplier, best edge, 10 points for center circle, 5 points next full circle, 0 points outside the circle.
rear support or none?
time limit? (A maximum of 20 minutes shall be allowed to complete each 25 shot target).
i like the idea of a cold bore shot, and getting bonus points for a good one, and the idea of somehow keeping it 25 rounds or less. i also like neoshooter's 2nd target that he posted, and the concept of using a dartboard and play 301, least amount of shots wins.
</div></div>
I like this a lot. No heat because you pretty much posted exactly the way I would have chose haha.
I like this target a lot. Also, I agree, I like the second one neo posted too. Let's you get a couple groups in there. I can't leave out the dart board cause it's just too damn cool. If left up to me, these would be the 3 targets to choose from. We could vote on 1 target to choose from, or just use all 3 and have 3 matches to choose from. How's that sound?
Oh yeah, about a rear support; I'd actually like to see one used here. It would be interesting to see some crazy good precision. Or suported and non supported could be a class like what we're currently doing with scopes/sights.
Re: Competitors: 50 Yard Match?
Another cool match idea...(For the .22 guys anyway) Do something where your required to shoot from 25yds to 100yds(or further). Kinda like silhouette shooting, but with paper targets and shooting off a bench or prone.
Another cool match idea...(For the .22 guys anyway) Do something where your required to shoot from 25yds to 100yds(or further). Kinda like silhouette shooting, but with paper targets and shooting off a bench or prone.
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Ok. I found how to make a poll. I will be posting one in this section so we can vote on a target. Then, we will at least see which one is the favorite and go from there.
Ok. I found how to make a poll. I will be posting one in this section so we can vote on a target. Then, we will at least see which one is the favorite and go from there.
Re: Competitors: 50 Yard Match?
Good idea. Ill vote now and hopefully you guys will have some rules set when i get back from vacation.
Good idea. Ill vote now and hopefully you guys will have some rules set when i get back from vacation.
Re: Competitors: 50 Yard Match?
what about something like this?
i figure it incorporates the cold bore - stage 1, stage 2 has a variable element that the numbers drawn each month will be different, uses 5 no shoots that change position every month, you have to search the grid with the optic to find the number (sort of a spotting / identification drill), the tiny dots of the other target - stage 3 - after warming up on the grid. stage three could also be the spoiler or tie breaking stage needeing that very precise shot to count.
Stage 1: "Cold Bore": 1 round, black is 10 points, white circle around it is 5 points, anything out of that circle is 0 points. Must be the starting stage and the first shot of the day.
Stage 2: "The Grid": Pick 20 numbers from a hat every month. You have to "search" for the number on the grid and shoot it. There are 25 grids, but only 20 to shoot at, so there are 5 no shoots that you loose points for. A grid is 1" x 1", the shot must be in the numbered grid to score 5 points. Break the line, counts as a miss. If that miss hits a no shoot number, minus 5 points. The numbers will have to be shot in the order as posted at the begining of the month.
Sub-total of 21 rounds (Cold Bore + The Grid)
Stage 3: "Tie Breaker": Shoot at the black dots (4 each). Each hit (any of the black) worth 10 points. Anything that strays into the diamond minus 5 points. No hit on either the dots or diamond, no points. Dot measurement: 1/2"
Total of 25 rounds: (Cold Bore (1)+ The Grid (20)+ Tie Breaker (4)
Distance: 50 yards, Shot from the bench with rear support
Caliber: Any rimfire caliber, any type of ammo.
Optic: Any
EDIT:
i just checked it out off the porch through the scope-
6x kinda tough, but not impossible
for the 3-9x guys, tried it on 8x and 9x, still a little tough, but not bad.
traditional 10x - looking good, can make out the numbers and dots clearly.
14x - no problem
through the scope (at least for me):
stage 1 the dot is no problem to pick out, enough space around it not to cause any optical illusions.
depending on what magnification you have, the numbers may get a bit fuzzy, have to search the grid to find the "target of oppurtunity", take a shot without hitting a no shoot "collateral damage" feel. no two months will be the same even without physically changing the target, as it'll depend on the numbers picked and the sequence they are picked in. i posted proposed course of fire in the original thread.
looking at stage 3 through the scope, has a hostage / bad guy feel. hit what your aiming at or the hostage (diamond) goes down with a penalty, or it's a clear miss no points.
again, it's just a thought.
what about something like this?
i figure it incorporates the cold bore - stage 1, stage 2 has a variable element that the numbers drawn each month will be different, uses 5 no shoots that change position every month, you have to search the grid with the optic to find the number (sort of a spotting / identification drill), the tiny dots of the other target - stage 3 - after warming up on the grid. stage three could also be the spoiler or tie breaking stage needeing that very precise shot to count.
Stage 1: "Cold Bore": 1 round, black is 10 points, white circle around it is 5 points, anything out of that circle is 0 points. Must be the starting stage and the first shot of the day.
Stage 2: "The Grid": Pick 20 numbers from a hat every month. You have to "search" for the number on the grid and shoot it. There are 25 grids, but only 20 to shoot at, so there are 5 no shoots that you loose points for. A grid is 1" x 1", the shot must be in the numbered grid to score 5 points. Break the line, counts as a miss. If that miss hits a no shoot number, minus 5 points. The numbers will have to be shot in the order as posted at the begining of the month.
Sub-total of 21 rounds (Cold Bore + The Grid)
Stage 3: "Tie Breaker": Shoot at the black dots (4 each). Each hit (any of the black) worth 10 points. Anything that strays into the diamond minus 5 points. No hit on either the dots or diamond, no points. Dot measurement: 1/2"
Total of 25 rounds: (Cold Bore (1)+ The Grid (20)+ Tie Breaker (4)
Distance: 50 yards, Shot from the bench with rear support
Caliber: Any rimfire caliber, any type of ammo.
Optic: Any
EDIT:
i just checked it out off the porch through the scope-
6x kinda tough, but not impossible
for the 3-9x guys, tried it on 8x and 9x, still a little tough, but not bad.
traditional 10x - looking good, can make out the numbers and dots clearly.
14x - no problem
through the scope (at least for me):
stage 1 the dot is no problem to pick out, enough space around it not to cause any optical illusions.
depending on what magnification you have, the numbers may get a bit fuzzy, have to search the grid to find the "target of oppurtunity", take a shot without hitting a no shoot "collateral damage" feel. no two months will be the same even without physically changing the target, as it'll depend on the numbers picked and the sequence they are picked in. i posted proposed course of fire in the original thread.
looking at stage 3 through the scope, has a hostage / bad guy feel. hit what your aiming at or the hostage (diamond) goes down with a penalty, or it's a clear miss no points.
again, it's just a thought.
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^ Thats freakin sweet. Changes things up a bit every month, and I really like incorporating the cold bore shot which wasn't on the other target. I'm going to go ahead and put this up as one of the choices. I just printed it out and the only thing I would recommend is making the number grid just a hair smaller.
^ Thats freakin sweet. Changes things up a bit every month, and I really like incorporating the cold bore shot which wasn't on the other target. I'm going to go ahead and put this up as one of the choices. I just printed it out and the only thing I would recommend is making the number grid just a hair smaller.
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From the bench with rear support?
I'd like to see something like:
- from bench or prone
- rear bag allowed
- field type front support allowed (bipod or rucksack is OK, no BR rests or heavy sand bags)
What's gonna happen if I have some shots at the grid in wrong order? The shots that land on wrong numbers don't count, you have to shoot them again?
How about the grid, is it "worst edge scoring"? That would make it much more difficult than "best edge scoring".
I like the grid but it's maybe too complicated for postal match (and when you try to fit everything on one piece of paper)?
From the bench with rear support?
I'd like to see something like:
- from bench or prone
- rear bag allowed
- field type front support allowed (bipod or rucksack is OK, no BR rests or heavy sand bags)
What's gonna happen if I have some shots at the grid in wrong order? The shots that land on wrong numbers don't count, you have to shoot them again?
How about the grid, is it "worst edge scoring"? That would make it much more difficult than "best edge scoring".
I like the grid but it's maybe too complicated for postal match (and when you try to fit everything on one piece of paper)?
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We have to decide on a target first before we start making the rules, as rules for different targets will be different. I agree with field type supports. I'll be using a bipod and rear bag. Definitely no BR rests or vices.
We have to decide on a target first before we start making the rules, as rules for different targets will be different. I agree with field type supports. I'll be using a bipod and rear bag. Definitely no BR rests or vices.
Re: Competitors: 50 Yard Match?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jthyttin</div><div class="ubbcode-body">From the bench with rear support?
I'd like to see something like:
- from bench or prone
- rear bag allowed
- field type front support allowed (bipod or rucksack is OK, no BR rests or heavy sand bags)</div></div>
yeah i'm with you on that, the BR rests / vices is kinda too mechanical
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jthyttin</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What's gonna happen if I have some shots at the grid in wrong order? The shots that land on wrong numbers don't count, you have to shoot them again?</div></div>
i was thinking that shooting in the sequence of numbers picked for the month would make it more interesting as one would have to search the grid for the number and shoot them in a particular sequence. i was also thinking that if the shots land on a number not intended it would be a miss and 0 points, and if on one of the 5 no shoots (numbers not picked) there would be a 5 point penalty. i figured it would up one's game a bit, and also have to concentrate on precision.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jthyttin</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How about the grid, is it "worst edge scoring"? That would make it much more difficult than "best edge scoring".</div></div>
exactly, an inch at 50 yards is actually a pretty big target to hit with most rifles, so my thoughts were to make sure it doesn't get "too easy or routine" the worst edge makes one concentrate a bit more on what's going on, and more attention to the wind. alot of folks here are keeping most of 25 rounds under 2" at 100 yards without rear support, so i threw in a few suggestions for a more precision orientated match at 50.
but like SBsniper said, gotta pick a target first before some rules, this thing is just getting started, that was just some thoughts i threw out there to keep it variable but precise month after month.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jthyttin</div><div class="ubbcode-body">From the bench with rear support?
I'd like to see something like:
- from bench or prone
- rear bag allowed
- field type front support allowed (bipod or rucksack is OK, no BR rests or heavy sand bags)</div></div>
yeah i'm with you on that, the BR rests / vices is kinda too mechanical
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jthyttin</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What's gonna happen if I have some shots at the grid in wrong order? The shots that land on wrong numbers don't count, you have to shoot them again?</div></div>
i was thinking that shooting in the sequence of numbers picked for the month would make it more interesting as one would have to search the grid for the number and shoot them in a particular sequence. i was also thinking that if the shots land on a number not intended it would be a miss and 0 points, and if on one of the 5 no shoots (numbers not picked) there would be a 5 point penalty. i figured it would up one's game a bit, and also have to concentrate on precision.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jthyttin</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How about the grid, is it "worst edge scoring"? That would make it much more difficult than "best edge scoring".</div></div>
exactly, an inch at 50 yards is actually a pretty big target to hit with most rifles, so my thoughts were to make sure it doesn't get "too easy or routine" the worst edge makes one concentrate a bit more on what's going on, and more attention to the wind. alot of folks here are keeping most of 25 rounds under 2" at 100 yards without rear support, so i threw in a few suggestions for a more precision orientated match at 50.
but like SBsniper said, gotta pick a target first before some rules, this thing is just getting started, that was just some thoughts i threw out there to keep it variable but precise month after month.
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Yeah I'm down with the rules reguarding the bingo target. I actually like points being taken away for hitting the wrong number instead of just 0. Makes it that much more challenging.
Yeah I'm down with the rules reguarding the bingo target. I actually like points being taken away for hitting the wrong number instead of just 0. Makes it that much more challenging.
