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Suppressors conceal carry with reloads?

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ubet

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#1
What do you guys think feel about it? I am carrying ranger ts right now. But would like to carry a load taylored to my pistol. Could it be a huge liability if I did this? I can make handloads that are more accurate than factory self defense loads, and practice A LOT more because of the little cost in shooting, as opposed to paying $300 per 500 for Ranger Ts. I could reload 2500 or more for that price. What say you?
 
#2
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I'd advise not.

Accuracy with a defensive pistol is rarely if ever necessary - most defensive pistol uses occur at ranges measured in feet, not yards.

And there's not enough difference in loads to necessitate practicing with your carry ammo. I use Winchester white box for practice, and Corbon DPX for carry.

Aside from potential legal problems - which I've never heard a single case citation for - the prime requirement in defensive ammo is reliability. I'd go with factory carry ammo. And, actually, I do.

Feel free to practice with your handloads, and carry factory. As long is the recoil impulse is even similar, you won't have any problems. You'll benefit from cheap practice ammo - and practicing a lot will do a lot more for your ability to defend yourself than the most accurate handgun ammo ever loaded.

And, if you haven't, you might consider spending some money on good training.
 
#3
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+1 on all of Lindy's comments.

The only thing that I will add is that if you don't practice with your carry loads, that is okay...BUT, you still need to spend the money on enough of your carry loads to prove their 100% function/reliability in YOUR pistol.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">...prove their 100% function/reliability in YOUR pistol.</div></div>

Absolutely, especially if you're carrying something like a 1911. OTOH, I've never found ammo that wouldn't run in any of my Glocks. Might be some, so it is a good idea to check.
 
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Thanks for the responses. The rangers have performed flawlessly in my pistol, sig p220 carry. The only ammo that has ever gave me problems when I somehow forgot to crimp 50 rounds of handloads. I do practice, lately ive been shooting 300 or so rounds a week.

I try to practice with a couple of magazines a month with my carry ammo, but my handrolled are close to the same recoil.
 
#6
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ubet</div><div class="ubbcode-body">1. What do you guys think feel about it?
2. I am carrying ranger ts right now.
3. But would like to carry a load taylored to my pistol.
4. Could it be a huge liability if I did this?
5. I can make handloads that are more accurate than factory self defense loads, and practice A LOT more because of the little cost in shooting, as opposed to paying $300 per 500 for Ranger Ts. I could reload 2500 or more for that price. What say you?</div></div> 1. I wouldn't carry reloads personally.

2. Excellent choice...don't fix a problem that isn't broken.

3. You aren't shooting an olympic match. Factory ammo is good enough for law enforcement and our military.

4. Just imagine whatever perp that is on the receiving end of your bullet...he is going to retain a lawyer and that lawyer will try to paint everything you do/did in the most negative light to a courtroom, "...specially crafted and individually loaded ammunition for the purpose of shooting fellow human beings...blah-blah-blah"

5. Nobody said you have to practice with your PD loads all the time...most normal folks can't afford to do that. Select your PD load...shoot it to make sure your gun will eat it...then practice with other shit when you hit the range IMO.
 
#7
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I wouldn't carry reloads simply because the best bullets are not available as components. However, if someday HST and Ranger T ammo is simply not able to be procured by lowly citizens anymore and I run out I would not hesitate to switch to XTPs and Gold Dots rolled by yours truly. I couldn't give a shit about the legal aspect but as to reliability I've never had an issue with my own ammo yet as I do QC it extensively.
 
#8
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Practice with reloads.
Carry with quality factory.
Practice with same factory to measure reliability.
Reloads bring in liability you don't want in a stressful or legal situation.
 
#9
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I think everyone has it covered I also wouldn't carry reloads, factory ammo can have issues but it's rare and it's just one less thing to worry about. Finding a reload that's close to your carry ammo in recoil/performance is nice for practice, but not 100% needed. If you ever get that much adrenaline going and have to use the gun it won't matter what loads are in it. I've heard there can be a liability issue but honestly I don't think that would really ever come up unless you had an ammo malfunction that hurt someone you didn't intend to.

The point on shooting enough carry ammo to make sure it's reliable is key. If you are just doing a couple mags per range session that's not enough, aside for maintenance. Most people never put enough carry ammo through their guns to know the run reliably with it.

I'm picky but for me a new carry gun needs to go 1000 rounds with FMJ with no cleaning in a single range session to start, if it has an issue it gets worked on till it will run that drill no problem, you could do 500 but I figure it's part of the break in process and just good fun! Then I'll break it down, clean it, inspect the wear, polish/adjust anything that needs it and I'll run 500 rounds of my carry ammo and it has to run flawless. At that point I'll fire a few mags of it at range sessions along with practice ammo. It's expensive, and hopefully we never have to use it, but lives are involved.
 
#10
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Reloads bring in liability you don't want in a stressful or legal situation.</div></div>

I keep hearing that, but, so far, no one has been able to cite an actual case.
 
#11
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Good points, guess Ill refrain and keep carrying factory sd ammo.

I did run about 300rds of my carry ammo through it after I figured out what it liked best, now I just run a mag or two through it every now and then just to keep fresh ammo in there and for the muscle memory.
 
#12
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lindy</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Reloads bring in liability you don't want in a stressful or legal situation.</div></div>

I keep hearing that, but, so far, no one has been able to cite an actual case.
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Has anyone with reloads been involved in a sd shooting? If not, maybe thats the key, carry reloads and you wont have to use them, LOL!
 
#13
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I don't see any problems with carrying handloads. I've heard all of the horror stories, and personally, none of them are persuasive to me.

If you have to shoot someone in self-defense, the type of ammo you chose is going to be the least of your worries.
 
#14
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lindy</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Reloads bring in liability you don't want in a stressful or legal situation.</div></div>

I keep hearing that, but, so far, no one has been able to cite an actual case.
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I agree Lindy that argument would mean anything but stock components also.....no trigger work, no aftermarket sights, lasers etc. How many of us have bone stock guns? There are also many good bullets available for reloads.....Speer Gold Dot, Hornady XTP to name a couple. Personally I see nothing wrong with reloads. Many of us on this site are far more careful about tolerances and quality control than any mass factory line I expect. That said I have always carried factory loads.
 
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First I think the whole "well show me a court case" thing is BS, first of all most people are not privy to the transcripts of court proceedings, they don't come out in news articles, and even if they were who would sift through them all. Also self defense shootings are SO rare in the first place it's unrealistic to expect that variables such as handloads or weapon modifications have been involved in enough self defense shootings to have any precedent. IMO that doesn't mean trying to protect yourself isn't important.

I think gun configuration or modification could play two roles.

First lets say you had a hair trigger, or some modification that effected the safety of the weapon and an accidental discharge under duress etc. occurred, or causes a stray round. In the pending civil and possibly criminal lawsuit I'd be willing to bet that if the modifications to the weapon either caused or could have increased the chances of that happening it will come up in court. Will you be able to defend it successfully, maybe. Again this assumes something goes horribly wrong in a shooting, or an accidental discharge etc. If you just shoot someone in defense of your life, with no issues aside the successful defense of your life, it's not going to be an issue.

I've seen so many weekend warrior gun experts go through a simulated house/building clearing exercise for the first couple times with 3-4lb lightened glock/1911/etc. triggers that have had AD's into the floor/ceiling/etc. that it's not even funny and that's not even a serious adrenaline flight or flight simulation. Yet these are the same guys saying they absolutely have to have a 3 lb modified trigger to shoot well in their carry gun.

Second if you are carrying a gun that looks like something out of the Punisher it will speak to your character. If your gun has skulls on it, or things like "Smile and wait for flash" or "Go ahead make my day" crap on it may not convict you, but it's only going to reflect badly on your character. No doubt it will give the prosecution ammo to paint you as Charles Bronson sitting up late at night hoping someone tries something so you can blow them away, right or wrong that's what will happen. Again you might defend it, but it's only making your defense that much harder, and frankly gun owners don't need to make the own case any harder than it already is.
 
#16
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I agree completely with many of your points - and I carry a box stock Glock, including the factory trigger, save that it has night sights on it. I carry factory ammo in it.

However, my suspicion is that if ammo selection had ever been an issue in a court case involving a defensive shooting, there would be members of the shooting community who would know about it. So far, as many times as I've seen people raise that issue, I've never seen anyone mention a case where it happened.

So, I guess you're one more person who doesn't know of one.

Maybe that's an indication that people who carry handguns for defensive purposes are playing it safe.

It could also be an indication that the warnings are instead an example of crying wolf.
 
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FYI...
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#18
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Massad Ayoob goes through some specific instances in LFI courses where the use of "custom" or "hand-loaded" ammo has played into the prosecution of persons who used such ammo in a self-defense situation (or where the use of factory-loaded ammo has proven a vital role in the defense of such persons where hand-loaded ammo might have been problematic...ballistics testing, repeatability/consistency, forensic issues re: factory vs. reloaded ammo).

I will look and see if I can't find the cases...which IIRC, were in New Hampshire, New Jersey and other states that I can't recall off the top of my head.
 
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I have read articles by known experts that say one should carry factory ammunition and that it should be ammuntion as close as possible to what is in general use by the police. These experts often claim justification for this opinion on the basis that doing so might deny a zealous prosecutor additional facts which could be used against you - that, for example, your bullets/reloads were calculated to do more damage than necessary and that special 'killer' reloads are evidence of your intent to kill.

Keep in mind that courts generally don't split that hair, if at all, until one is made a defendant.

Also keep in mind that, in Michigan anyway, the primary inquiry in self-defense cases is not what ammunition was used but whether the killing of another person in self-defense was justifiable homicide. A prosecutor will look at whether, under all the circumstances at the time, the potential defendant honestly and reasonably believed his life was in imminent danger (or that he was under immediate threat of serious bodily harm) and he reasonably and honestly believed that it was necessary to use deadly force to prevent the harm.

So, the key inquiry is not about ammunition, it's about whether the use of deadly force was “necessary” under the circumstances. None of this is advice, just conversation, but here are some ideas for you to ponder: If you shoot an armed attacker because you honestly believe he is a space alien coming to suck out your brains, then your belief in the necessity of your actions is not reasonable. If you shoot an someone who is pointing a gun at you, but you don’t really think he will pull the trigger, then your belief in the necessity of your actions is not an honest one. But if you shoot an unarmed attacker, and you thought he was armed with a gun, and you thought this because he pointed his finger at you from inside his pocket and demanded your wallet, and if you also thought he was going to kill you, then perhaps your belief is both honest and reasonable.

Either way, the ammunition used is not the issue.
 
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So, what you're saying is that if I decapitate an assailant using a sword, that the court will concentrate more on whether I was justified in defending myself with deadly force, than on which of my katanas I used?

What a droll notion...
 
#25
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lindy</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Reloads bring in liability you don't want in a stressful or legal situation.</div></div>

I keep hearing that, but, so far, no one has been able to cite an actual case.
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In this day and age where people sue McDonald's because their coffee was "too hot"...... dumpsters are required to have "do not play around or on" signs, the dumb mall employee who fell into the fountain... etc etc. People will sue for just about everything and I think it's a prudent choice not to give a lawyer anything extra to go after you with.
 
#26
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CSAR</div><div class="ubbcode-body">In this day and age where people sue McDonald's because their coffee was "too hot"...... dumpsters are required to have "do not play around or on" signs, the dumb mall employee who fell into the fountain... etc etc. People will sue for just about everything and I think it's a prudent choice not to give a lawyer anything extra to go after you with. </div></div>Then stay home. Because these days that's the better alternative to going out armed when one doesn't know the law.

PS - the coffee at that McDonalds was too hot, and the plaintiffs proved it, but that wasn't the reason the jury came back with the verdict.
 
#27
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I do recall Ayoob pointing out a case where a man used handloads in self defense and his additional ammo was not allowed to be tested as it would be "destruction of evidence". And there was a refusal to load using his reloading notes as well. I have to figure out where it was as I just read it 3 weeks ago. I'll see if I can find the citation. Worst scenario, I'll email and ask Mas.

To me we have a far different issue though.......the OP even admitted that he has had rounds of his own loading that weren't crimped. Personally, I'll take factory ammo as I know there is no way I've done something to screw them up. lol When was the last time you had or heard of a squib or blown up gun with factory ammo? What about with reloads? I think that should pretty well address the issue right there

And the McDonald's suit, well McD's was guilty of wrongdoing. Hot coffee is one thing, but the coffee had been stored at a higher temp than was allowed by law because they discovered the coffee lasted longer that way IIRC anyways.
 
#28
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: nw1911guy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">the OP even admitted that he has had rounds of his own loading that weren't crimped. Personally, I'll take factory ammo as I know there is no way I've done something to screw them up. lol When was the last time you had or heard of a squib or blown up gun with factory ammo? What about with reloads? I think that should pretty well address the issue right there

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Good point, that was one thing I have been contemplating today. Thank you for bringing it up.


Lindy, on the Katana, funny thing you should bring that up, on the radio the other day their was someone who told the host how when he was 7 in one of the Dakotas, a man broke into his house. Well his dad owned a katana, as the perp was coming in he got stuck in the window (dont remember all the details) but the father ended up hacking him up with his sword.
 
#29
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think it's a prudent choice not to give a lawyer anything extra to go after you with.</div></div>

I think it's a better choice to have a really good lawyer of your own. I do.

A lawyer is like a handgun - when you need one, there is no acceptable substitute, and you want a good one. And like a handgun, a prudent person will get one before the need is there.
 
#30
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lindy</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think it's a prudent choice not to give a lawyer anything extra to go after you with.</div></div>

I think it's a better choice to have a really good lawyer of your own. I do.

A lawyer is like a handgun - when you need one, there is no acceptable substitute, and you want a good one. And like a handgun, a prudent person will get one before the need is there.
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Sound advice sir! :)
 
#32
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I've seen about a half dozen pistols blown up with factory ammo, and know a guy who shot and killed a guy with his reload of choice (.45ACP JHP's, all he ever loads). It never even went to trial.

There are no absolutes, but I'd just as soon buy HST, Gold Dot or Ranger-T and be done with it.
 
#33
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All this assumes that the cops and coroner are going to know the difference between a reloaded round and a factory round, after firing. I know I sure as hell can't tell the difference when I dig a bullet out of a clay embankment. I'm pretty sure they are more interested in finding out who shot who where for what reason etc than running an expensive spectrum analysis on the powder residue. If you don't say anything I bet they wouldn't know..
 
#34
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I can't find my data from LFI1, but here is a copy/paste from a post that Mas made several years ago on The High Road (I know that there have been cases since that time that were discussed, but damned if I can find them...my Google Fu must be weak right now).

http://www.thehighroad.org/showpost.php?p=2129976&postcount=140

Anyway, the detail in Mas's post isn't the greatest (the cases themselves really tell the tales), but as I said before, there HAVE been reported cases where the use of reloaded ammo has become an issue at least in part.

Hope this helps...if I can find my other data, I'll post it.
 
#35
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: doorkicker</div><div class="ubbcode-body">FYI...
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The Washington Post? covering a story in Alabama? Pretty odd for a totally anti-gun newspaper to be covering a story waaaay outside of it's jourisdiction.

FWIW, find what shoots through your gun and carry that. Reloads or factory. I've had factory loads jam in my guns as well as reloads. You need to be specific about what works right and use it. I tend to go with a high volume of Ball type ammo. Many hits with average bullets is better than a couple-few of special bullets.
 
#37
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Also regarding practice. Practice with your gun like you're going to fight with it. Don't just do like in conceal and carry class and take your time aim and shoot. Set up silhouettes. Shoot half a mag on one bad guy and half a mag on the other. Do an entire mag in less than three seconds. Then for giggles put a good body in front of a bad then practice hitting that at rapid fire without hitting the innocent.

When you start shooting like that then you'll know what you want to carry with your gun.
 
#39
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ORD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I can't find my data from LFI1, but here is a copy/paste from a post that Mas made several years ago on The High Road (I know that there have been cases since that time that were discussed, but damned if I can find them...my Google Fu must be weak right now).

http://www.thehighroad.org/showpost.php?p=2129976&postcount=140

Anyway, the detail in Mas's post isn't the greatest (the cases themselves really tell the tales), but as I said before, there HAVE been reported cases where the use of reloaded ammo has become an issue at least in part.

Hope this helps...if I can find my other data, I'll post it. </div></div>

GOOD WORK! I had already decided to keep using factory rounds, but that article really put it in perspective, ecspecially the one about the guys wife committing suicide! That is just a tale of the perfect storm.
 
#40
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Sandwarrior, thanks. I have been practicing drawing from concealment and firing. Sometimes 2 shots, sometimes 3, sometimes half the mag. Then started practing moving sideways and shooting, first chest shots, then 2 to the chest and 2 to the head.

How far out should one practice drawing and shooting at? When practicing is it good to be in the habit of soon as you have your sights/target acquired to fire?

I know a class would be great to take, but, money is not there right now.

Any suggestions would be much appreciated on practicing techniques.
 
#41
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ubet</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Sandwarrior, thanks. I have been practicing drawing from concealment and firing. Sometimes 2 shots, sometimes 3, sometimes half the mag. Then started practing moving sideways and shooting, first chest shots, then 2 to the chest and 2 to the head.

How far out should one practice drawing and shooting at? When practicing is it good to be in the habit of soon as you have your sights/target acquired to fire?

I know a class would be great to take, but, money is not there right now.

Any suggestions would be much appreciated on practicing techniques.</div></div>

Good call. I implied that but didn't say that. Drawing is every bit as important as shooting. You have to know every time how the holster is sitting and how to get to it and bring the gun out, held the same, every time. As much as you shoot, draw 10 times more. Practice drawing in "off" positions.

The move and shoot is a good thing. Start with getting hits then increasing speed. Too often people just go for speed and either they miss or accidents start to happen. Just practice getting it right every time. That will build speed.

Someone here had/has a great signature line: An amateur does it until he can get it right. A professional does it until he can't get it wrong. If you are going to carry, you can't get it wrong.

 
#42
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I started drawing slow so I would be smooth, and thats how I usually practice hot. When Im dry practicing I start that way and speed it up a little bit. Walking/moving though I try to just make it smooth and consistent, doing as you say, worrying more about shot placement than anything (and not stumbling).

What yardages are good to practice at? Usually Im inside 10, sometimes out to 15.
 
#45
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A search of the word "reloaded" within 3 words of the word "ammunition" in every federal and state case in Westlaw's database reveals 71 results. I've gone through all of them. Nearly all are either tort cases involving guns that blew up from reloaded ammunition, quotes from cases where a person actually "reloaded" a firearm during a crime, felons in possession of reloaded ammunition (quoting the statute against it), and a single murder case in which some scumbag shot his wife five times, called the police, and confessed that he shot his wife because, basically, she was annoying. One is an evidence case in which a Marine juror who had knowledge of reloaded ammunition that resulted in a mistrial for considering evidence outside of that presented at trial.

This search probably cost about $400 but it was free for me.

Until I see an actual blue book cite, published or unpublished, of a legitimate criminal trial in which a person asserts a self-defense claim but is found guilty anyway, and ammunition type is among the evidence, I'm calling BS on this one.

Once again, 71 cases, plenty of people suing commercial reloaders, suing Remington when their gun blew up after they filled a rifle case with pistol powder, the wrong powder, too much powder, etc., murders where people confessed or the ammunition was irrelevant to their conviction, etc.

Database includes all federal and state cases that are available on there, and there's none that offer any theory that reloaded ammo defeats a defendant's self-defense claim.

I'd say that myth is debunked, unless someone knows of a better way to research the issue.

BTW, many of these cases weren't even reported, cannot be "cited," etc. They're still available. And the claim that reloaded ammunition has played a part in a criminal trial where a defendant claims self defense appears as meritless as I thought before I ran the search.

I'm totally open to anyone with a better method of doing the search, but until someone either presents me with a method that produces an affirmative result, OR a blue book citation (I will be able to get the case, trust me), I'm calling bullshit on this one.
 
#46
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Downzero</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A search of the word "reloaded" within 3 words of the word "ammunition" in every federal and state case in Westlaw's database reveals 71 results. I've gone through all of them. Nearly all are either tort cases involving guns that blew up from reloaded ammunition, quotes from cases where a person actually "reloaded" a firearm during a crime, felons in possession of reloaded ammunition (quoting the statute against it), and a single murder case in which some scumbag shot his wife five times, called the police, and confessed that he shot his wife because, basically, she was annoying. One is an evidence case in which a Marine juror who had knowledge of reloaded ammunition that resulted in a mistrial for considering evidence outside of that presented at trial.

This search probably cost about $400 but it was free for me.

Until I see an actual blue book cite, published or unpublished, of a legitimate criminal trial in which a person asserts a self-defense claim but is found guilty anyway, and ammunition type is among the evidence, I'm calling BS on this one.

Once again, 71 cases, plenty of people suing commercial reloaders, suing Remington when their gun blew up after they filled a rifle case with pistol powder, the wrong powder, too much powder, etc., murders where people confessed or the ammunition was irrelevant to their conviction, etc.

Database includes all federal and state cases that are available on there, and there's none that offer any theory that reloaded ammo defeats a defendant's self-defense claim.

I'd say that myth is debunked, unless someone knows of a better way to research the issue.

BTW, many of these cases weren't even reported, cannot be "cited," etc. They're still available. And the claim that reloaded ammunition has played a part in a criminal trial where a defendant claims self defense appears as meritless as I thought before I ran the search.

I'm totally open to anyone with a better method of doing the search, but until someone either presents me with a method that produces an affirmative result, OR a blue book citation (I will be able to get the case, trust me), I'm calling bullshit on this one. </div></div>

Thanks for the research... It doesn't surprise me what you found out. The ONLY time that I can see it being an issue is if you were one of those people who like to talk and brag about how they load the deadliest ammo to kill bad guys on contact. I suppose if the prosecution could get ahold of a statement or witness that would testify that you are one of those people they might be able to use it against you, but if one doesn't talk about what they used, I don't think that anyone will notice or care. "I feared for my life" is all you need to say..
 
#47
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LRS_Ranger</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Thanks for the research... It doesn't surprise me what you found out. The ONLY time that I can see it being an issue is if you were one of those people who like to talk and brag about how they load the deadliest ammo to kill bad guys on contact. I suppose if the prosecution could get ahold of a statement or witness that would testify that you are one of those people they might be able to use it against you, but if one doesn't talk about what they used, I don't think that anyone will notice or care. "I feared for my life" is all you need to say.. </div></div>

If those facts have ever been before an American court, they haven't made it into any reported opinion that I could find.

I tend to this Mas Ayoob is just trumpeting his own viewpoint on the issue, and trying to avoid an unpredictable variable in cases, where juries already create enough unpredictability.

I am not a lawyer nor licensed to practice law in any jurisdiction. I'm just a regular guy, like you guys, who can read.
 
#48
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lindy</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There are no absolutes...</div></div>

Is that absolutely true?
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Absolutely not!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Anyway, the detail in Mas's post isn't the greatest (the cases themselves really tell the tales), but as I said before, there HAVE been reported cases where the use of reloaded ammo has become an issue at least in part.</div></div>

I've read the "Reloads will condemn you to hell," since the early '70s. The only case I've read involving reloads had nothing to do with self-defense. While the issue may have been a part of SD cases, it certainly isn't commonly known. I would wager a trigger job would buy you at least as much grief.

I carry factory because it's not worthwhile to load that small amount. I would not hesitate to carry <span style="font-weight: bold">my</span> handlaods. In fact, that is what my carbine is stoked with.
 
#49
Re: conceal carry with reloads?

zactly.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lindy</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Reloads bring in liability you don't want in a stressful or legal situation.</div></div>

I keep hearing that, but, so far, no one has been able to cite an actual case.
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#50
Re: conceal carry with reloads?

Never ever ever ever use reloads for CCW. Anything that may condem you in court, will.
Just like any upgrades or mods to a CCW gun will hurt as well.
The other party will make claims like "designer bullets" they'll make it look like you engeneered the rounds just for that person. Same with the gun.

Best bet, hands down is use exactly what the your local LE uses for ammunition
 
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