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If people cannot see through the absolute, unequivocal BULLSHIT that is the communist-marxist-democrat party they are complete and utter fools that are wasting the Earth's oxygen and spewing out unnecessary carbon emissions (to use their own lingo).
 
Any of these fucking assclowns from either side of the aisle should be laughed out of the room or off of the internets for fawning over democracy.

You are correct.

Funny you say such things.... democracy isn't mentioned one time in any of our founding documents....

....but is mentioned heavily in Engles writings and the Communist Manifesto......
 
You've touched on one of my major pet peeves that will bring out the "big cat" in me with people. When somebody says we live in a democracy I jump on them like a big cat in the Serengeti - we live in a REPUBLIC whereby the legislating members are democratically elected. Of course, then they get off on the "explain the electoral college."
 
You've touched on one of my major pet peeves that will bring out the "big cat" in me with people. When somebody says we live in a democracy I jump on them like a big cat in the Serengeti - we live in a REPUBLIC whereby the legislating members are democratically elected. Of course, then they get off on the "explain the electoral college."

Yup, if I want to get out Thanksgiving Day early with my cousins, I just start that conversation.... then slip out the back Jack ;) Works every time.
 
You've touched on one of my major pet peeves that will bring out the "big cat" in me with people. When somebody says we live in a democracy I jump on them like a big cat in the Serengeti - we live in a REPUBLIC whereby the legislating members are democratically elected. Of course, then they get off on the "explain the electoral college."
Just point them to Federalist #68 then Article 2, section 1 of the Constitution in that order. They'll likely look at you with complete bewilderment.... almost like you have a penis which just erupted out of your forehead.
 
Why doesn't Algore just jump on a fu@king windmill and go for a spin? STFU, you sweaty, pompous ass. Go be green somewhere else.

And who was it that INSISTED Trump accept the results of the 2016 election and yet still REFUSED to accept the results, to this day? Yep...the shrill banshee in the pantsuit.

Anything liberals accuse conservatives of doing, you can guarantee that's the very thing THEY are doing. Always projection. Always.
 
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If people cannot see through the absolute, unequivocal BULLSHIT that is the communist-marxist-democrat party they are complete and utter fools that are wasting the Earth's oxygen and spewing out unnecessary carbon emissions (to use their own lingo).

So, what are the ramifications? Where do I start?

I had a conversation many years ago, which only came back into my consciousness three or four years ago. I was still about 20 years old at the time. I met a gentleman who said something about how to figure out where our country is going.

He was an asset manager who I just bumped into while doing a hike up Table Mountain.

He said, “If you watch what’s taking place in the universities, if there’s a very strong zeitgeist in one way or the other, watch that. Whatever that zeitgeist is, you’re going to find that, within five to ten years, in the country.”

The reason is that the leaders of the country—the CEOs, the people in management, in politics, in the courts, all come from those universities. If you look at what has been transpiring in the West over the last decade at least, in the universities—it is frightening.

It’s not a surprise now that we find these people are in positions of power. They’re instituting their vision of how the world should work. Their ideology—their zeitgeist—is Marxism. So, this woke culture is just Marxism.

Unfortunately, it is now in the DNA of the West.

As much as I want to believe that we could eliminate that, it starts with the universities and being able to educate a whole new class of people correctly.

When I say correctly, I mean, principles that adhere to civil liberties and the like.

These people don’t believe that at all. So, we’re seeing it now coming into the political landscape and the legal landscape. It’s not good.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/marxism-coming-breathtaking-speed-do-its-too-late
 
I can’t imagine Marxism is an agenda pushed about in the Finance/Econ realms, thankfully. No one did when I was a student. Econ folks are often libertarian and finance in general are usually republican even if they are not outwardly so. A well spoken Econ professor can shred a Marxist argument.

My understanding is that Marxism is much more commonly touted in the liberal arts, the place where logic and fact are denounced as ‘power centers’. Not everyone taking those courses believes that garbage either but it is certainly pervasive at this point having worked from the angle of ‘a little bit is helpful’. I can see how that argument convinces the uninformed.

Most times when I debate with someone left leaning, they will try to establish the idea that some ‘socialism’ can be good. They are usually disappointed to find out how many of the most prominent charities and community groups were created during the ‘very evil’ gilded age of capitalism that they claim to hate and that socialism pushed forward during FDR’s presidency produced bumbling hulks of bureaucracy that we now continue to pay for.
 
I can’t imagine Marxism is an agenda pushed about in the Finance/Econ realms, thankfully. No one did when I was a student. Econ folks are often libertarian and finance in general are usually republican even if they are not outwardly so. A well spoken Econ professor can shred a Marxist argument.

My understanding is that Marxism is much more commonly touted in the liberal arts, the place where logic and fact are denounced as ‘power centers’. Not everyone taking those courses believes that garbage either but it is certainly pervasive at this point having worked from the angle of ‘a little bit is helpful’. I can see how that argument convinces the uninformed.

Most times when I debate with someone left leaning, they will try to establish the idea that some ‘socialism’ can be good. They are usually disappointed to find out how many of the most prominent charities and community groups were created during the ‘very evil’ gilded age of capitalism that they claim to hate and that socialism pushed forward during FDR’s presidency produced bumbling hulks of bureaucracy that we now continue to pay for.
You might be surprised to find how pervasive the collective thinking goes in universities today. I decided to take some additional business course about 15 years ago at a prominent and respected business college. Instructors for these advanced courses all claimed to be open to all discussion in order to create real dialogue regarding what actually takes place in the workplace.

Not to my surprise, when anything other than the instructors narrow beliefs was raised, the conversation was shut down hard. The agenda being pushed heavily was social responsibility and justice in the workplace with only basic focus on the actual profitable running of a workplace. Places like Amazon and Microsoft were held up as shining examples of business as it should be, despite the evidence even then of their core value failures.

Make no mistake. There is little true libertarian and conservative value being touted in most universities today. It actually starts way before university. Our country’s children are being trained to be good little woke snowflakes with little true value. The golden rule that we learned has been turned upside down.
 
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Just curious, bud. How do you feel about the Constitution?

I won’t speak for him, but our country is not a pure democracy, it’s a democratic republic. Thankfully so, otherwise at this point the coasts would simply impose their will on everyone else and HC would be president.

Our republic helps to moderate the whims of populism.
 
You might be surprised to find how pervasive the collective thinking goes in universities today. I decided to take some additional business course about 15 years ago at a prominent and respected business college. Instructors for these advanced courses all claimed to be open to all discussion in order to create real dialogue regarding what actually takes place in the workplace.

Not to my surprise, when anything other than the instructors narrow beliefs was raised, the conversation was shut down hard. The agenda being pushed heavily was social responsibility and justice in the workplace with only basic focus on the actual profitable running of a workplace. Places like Amazon and Microsoft were held up as shining examples of business as it should be, despite the evidence even then of their core value failures.

Make no mistake. There is little true libertarian and conservative value being touted in most universities today. It actually starts way before university. Our country’s children are being trained to be good little woke snowflakes with little true value. The golden rule that we learned has been turned upside down.

That is a shame, sad to hear. Luckily they have outed themselves and people are aware that this is happening. Previously they had been silent about it in the public forum.
 
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You might be surprised to find how pervasive the collective thinking goes in universities today. I decided to take some additional business course about 15 years ago at a prominent and respected business college. Instructors for these advanced courses all claimed to be open to all discussion in order to create real dialogue regarding what actually takes place in the workplace.

Not to my surprise, when anything other than the instructors narrow beliefs was raised, the conversation was shut down hard. The agenda being pushed heavily was social responsibility and justice in the workplace with only basic focus on the actual profitable running of a workplace. Places like Amazon and Microsoft were held up as shining examples of business as it should be, despite the evidence even then of their core value failures.

Make no mistake. There is little true libertarian and conservative value being touted in most universities today. It actually starts way before university. Our country’s children are being trained to be good little woke snowflakes with little true value. The golden rule that we learned has been turned upside down.

My business classes used examples where a motivated manager came to a company that was failing and by instituting efficiency, as well giving workers a stake in the success of the company, they were able to take bloated destined to fail pigs and make them profitable dynamos.

IIRC Peoples Express, Fed Ex were examples at the time.

Econ classes stressed "invisible hand", supply/demand and the profit motivation as keys to keeping prices down, wages up, improving products and actually ensuring the betterment of society.

Marxism was viewed as irrational.
 
My business classes used examples where a motivated manager came to a company that was failing and by instituting efficiency, as well giving workers a stake in the success of the company, they were able to take bloated destined to fail pigs and make them profitable dynamos.

IIRC Peoples Express, Fed Ex were examples at the time.

Econ classes stressed "invisible hand", supply/demand and the profit motivation as keys to keeping prices down, wages up, improving products and actually ensuring the betterment of society.

Marxism was viewed as irrational.
As it should be taught. 👍🏻
 
sure they will lol , that story is funny the military establishment would side with the pro socialist democrats in what world Cuba maybe . especially since every candidate for the dnc all said they would cut the militaries budget to create more safe spaces or crying corners ( suicide ) booth I wish , If anything they could try and take over the whole show take into custody both political parties and lock them all up as they are all not doing there jobs neither one . And both sides pose a direct threat to the nation as a whole . That could happen but not very likely and way more plausible then the military working for the dims .
 
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sure they will lol , that story is funny the military establishment would side with the pro socialist democrats in what world Cuba maybe . especially since every candidate for the dnc all said they would cut the militaries budget to create more safe spaces or crying corners ( suicide ) booth I wish , If anything they could try and take over the whole show take into custody both political parties and lock them all up as they are all not doing there jobs neither one . And both sides pose a direct threat to the nation as a whole . That could happen but not very likely and way more plausible then the military working for the dims .


Military leadership has sacrificed "Oath to Constitution" for advancement in too many cases I think.

Some recent situations have me concerned about this.

Another 4 years of Trump might correct that and the Marxists know it.

They see this as now or never, specially since many of the commies have been striving for this since they reached adult hood in the 60s and Hell will soon be recalling them.
 
You are correct.

Funny you say such things.... democracy isn't mentioned one time in any of our founding documents....

....but is mentioned heavily in Engles writings and the Communist Manifesto......
Democracy is 2 wolves and 1 sheep taking a vote on what they will eat for supper .
 
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I can’t imagine Marxism is an agenda pushed about in the Finance/Econ realms, thankfully. No one did when I was a student. Econ folks are often libertarian and finance in general are usually republican even if they are not outwardly so. A well spoken Econ professor can shred a Marxist argument.

My understanding is that Marxism is much more commonly touted in the liberal arts, the place where logic and fact are denounced as ‘power centers’. Not everyone taking those courses believes that garbage either but it is certainly pervasive at this point having worked from the angle of ‘a little bit is helpful’. I can see how that argument convinces the uninformed.

Most times when I debate with someone left leaning, they will try to establish the idea that some ‘socialism’ can be good. They are usually disappointed to find out how many of the most prominent charities and community groups were created during the ‘very evil’ gilded age of capitalism that they claim to hate and that socialism pushed forward during FDR’s presidency produced bumbling hulks of bureaucracy that we now continue to pay for.

A thought: like most things in life we are presented with 2 sides of the same coin.

We do not live and function in a capitalist economy. Our Econ and our politics have always had a healthy dose of cronyism and fascism, which has now morphed into corporate fascism, with real profit and opportunity shared by those on the inside.

To say that Marxism hasn't invaded Finance / Econ is, well.... not true. It is just packaged differently.

MMT is a great example. Fiat is based on creditworthiness - MMT is a lie that goes hand in hand with the idea of control and it has the insidious effect of eroding creditworthiness - esp if that fiat is the WRC. In the end the only thing that props up the value of that fiat is force.

(effectively) MMT has been propping up the market for some time - Tesla is a poster child for the practical. Left to true market forces - they would have never gotten off the ground, never secured a position in the market without publicly funded charging stations, would have never survived as many product failures and lawsuits, missed production schedules, etc ad nauseam - unless the gov was shoveling cash at them and manipulating regulations in their favor. As a function of all of that, Musk has an outsized voice on the direction of America and the world.

ETA: Of all the subsidies Elon Musk has received for Tesla, there has been none bigger than the Fed injecting trillions into the stock market to buoy stock prices in the midst of one of the worst recessions the country has ever seen.

ETA2: How many cop cars and emergency vehicles does (Tesla) Autopilot need to hit before someone gives a shit?
 
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Just point them to Federalist #68 then Article 2, section 1 of the Constitution in that order. They'll likely look at you with complete bewilderment.... almost like you have a penis which just erupted out of your forehead.


Also, the Pledge of Allegiance.

"And to the REPUBLIC for which I stand"
 
Understood, I’ll respect that you were driving at a point and I should have left it to be made.

Apology not accepted. My social skills are touch and go these days so I should be apologizing not you for being dickish. I think I have adult onset autism or some shit, it sounds fine in my head but then in reality it's a bit flat.
 
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You are correct.

Funny you say such things.... democracy isn't mentioned one time in any of our founding documents....

....but is mentioned heavily in Engles writings and the Communist Manifesto......
You've touched on one of my major pet peeves that will bring out the "big cat" in me with people. When somebody says we live in a democracy I jump on them like a big cat in the Serengeti - we live in a REPUBLIC whereby the legislating members are democratically elected. Of course, then they get off on the "explain the electoral college."
If you don’t like your Republic, call it a Democracy until people believe it is a democracy. Then people won’t know what they are losing when they lose their republic. You continue to water down the government until commies are killing you in the streets. Oooops, I meant to say, You continue to water down the government until you reach the next attempt at a utopian society.
 
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Jesus

Ben Franklin was right.

For fucks sake does anyone even know what our forefathers gave us?
Its a CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC
Not a democracy, not a democratic republic, not a representative republic

Fuck

FUCK!
fucking morons.
Gosh chik’n, did you have a bad day today? I do not plan on arguing with you, but you do realize that exactly what we have is a Constitutional Representative Republic. It is indeed a Representative Republic and to argue against that would negate any argument you have regarding it being a Constitutional Republic.

The constitutional part refers to the rule of law (The Constitution) that our representatives are supposed to adhere to while representing our (not the elite’s) whims. 😘
 
Gosh chik’n, did you have a bad day today? I do not plan on arguing with you, but you do realize that exactly what we have is a Constitutional Representative Republic. It is indeed a Representative Republic and to argue against that would negate any argument you have regarding it being a Constitutional Republic.

The constitutional part refers to the rule of law (The Constitution) that our representatives are supposed to adhere to while representing our (not the elite’s) whims. 😘

Semantics?
So you think its a democratic republic?
Or a representative republic?

Its neither.
 
A Constitutional Republic is, by definition, a subset of a representative republic that is supposed to follow the rules set forth in the Constitution. There’s no other way to define it. I tried to lead you towards that conclusion with my last post. 😉
 
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I can’t imagine Marxism is an agenda pushed about in the Finance/Econ realms, thankfully. No one did when I was a student. Econ folks are often libertarian and finance in general are usually republican even if they are not outwardly so. A well spoken Econ professor can shred a Marxist argument.

My understanding is that Marxism is much more commonly touted in the liberal arts, the place where logic and fact are denounced as ‘power centers’. Not everyone taking those courses believes that garbage either but it is certainly pervasive at this point having worked from the angle of ‘a little bit is helpful’. I can see how that argument convinces the uninformed.

Most times when I debate with someone left leaning, they will try to establish the idea that some ‘socialism’ can be good. They are usually disappointed to find out how many of the most prominent charities and community groups were created during the ‘very evil’ gilded age of capitalism that they claim to hate and that socialism pushed forward during FDR’s presidency produced bumbling hulks of bureaucracy that we now continue to pay for.
This is why there is a legislative push to require more "woke" curriculum in all majors at least in california. I agree with you regarding the econ/accounting disciplines leaning more right. I'm an operations/supply chain management major btw.
 
A Constitutional Republic is, by definition, a subset of a representative republic that is supposed to follow the rules set forth in the Constitution. There’s no other way to define it. I tried to lead you towards that conclusion with my last post. 😉

My head really hasn't been screwed on tight today. Wife told me to go fishing at noon....not letting a woman tell me what to do today.
 
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