Suppressors costal guns 308 suppressor on msg90 ?

[black_ump]

one time i hurd an hk91 that was suppressed it was in a video and iam not sure if it was the video quality or not but it just didnt impress me, it was a coastal suppressor.

can any suppressed semi auto shooters chime in and tell me if it would be worth it or not to suppress my rifle

 

[BOLTRIPPER]

Re: costal guns 308 suppressor on msg90 ?

why

 

[black_ump]

Re: costal guns 308 suppressor on msg90 ?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BOLTRIPPER</div><div class="ubbcode-body">why </div></div>

why what ?

 

[BOLTRIPPER]

Re: costal guns 308 suppressor on msg90 ?

how old R U ?

 

[black_ump]

Re: costal guns 308 suppressor on msg90 ?

what does that have to do with any thing ?

 

[ORD]

Re: costal guns 308 suppressor on msg90 ?

Here is a link (one of many) to a thread on HKPro about suppressors for the HK91, etc.:

http://www.hkpro.com/forum/showthread.php?111442-Suppressor-for-a-hk91

I have no experience with the Coastal Guns units whatsoever, so I can't comment on the dB levels or perceived sound reduction with their cans.

My vote goes to the AAC 762-SD. You should be able to get a Blackout mount threaded 15x1 for a standard HK thread (I assume you went with the standard HK metric thread on your MSG-90).

 

[Fighthard]

Re: costal guns 308 suppressor on msg90 ?

First of all, you probably do not have a real H&K MSG90. They were not produced until after May of 1986 and a real MSG90 from H&K has a swing down lower which makes the receiver qualify as a Machine Gun by the BATFE.

Secondly, if you have an H&K 911, SR9 or SR9T that you think is an MSG90, it does not have a factory threaded barrel. And you will ruin it's value if you do thread it.

Thirdly, if you have a clone rifle and you put a can on it, one of the most likely outcomes is that it will shoot like ass. As many of the clone rifles have shit barrels that have a bore that is not concentric with the exterior of the barrel. Meaning you would have to have the barrel threaded to match the suppressor or have a new end cap made.

I would find a different platform to suppress.

 

[malaga2]

Re: costal guns 308 suppressor on msg90 ?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fighthard</div><div class="ubbcode-body">First of all, you probably do not have a real H&K MSG90. They were not produced until after May of 1986 and a real MSG90 from H&K has a swing down lower which makes the receiver qualify as a Machine Gun by the BATFE.

Secondly, if you have an H&K 911, SR9 or SR9T that you think is an MSG90, it does not have a factory threaded barrel. And you will ruin it's value if you do thread it.

Thirdly, if you have a clone rifle and you put a can on it, one of the most likely outcomes is that it will shoot like ass. As many of the clone rifles have shit barrels that have a bore that is not concentric with the exterior of the barrel. Meaning you would have to have the barrel threaded to match the suppressor or have a new end cap made.

I would find a different platform to suppress.



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what he said !

 

[black_ump]

Re: costal guns 308 suppressor on msg90 ?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fighthard</div><div class="ubbcode-body">First of all, you probably do not have a real H&K MSG90. They were not produced until after May of 1986 and a real MSG90 from H&K has a swing down lower which makes the receiver qualify as a Machine Gun by the BATFE.

Secondly, if you have an H&K 911, SR9 or SR9T that you think is an MSG90, it does not have a factory threaded barrel. And you will ruin it's value if you do thread it.

Thirdly, if you have a clone rifle and you put a can on it, one of the most likely outcomes is that it will shoot like ass. As many of the clone rifles have shit barrels that have a bore that is not concentric with the exterior of the barrel. Meaning you would have to have the barrel threaded to match the suppressor or have a new end cap made.

I would find a different platform to suppress.



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hey hk professional befor you start sliceing and diceing why dont you get a few facts first.

my barrel is a douglas barrel 26" long it is threaded 15x1m by phil flack, iam not going into the details of my build already did a thread on that.

the gun is a half moa gun easy, so you can keep your negitive b/s to your self.

moveing on ORD i will read the post over at hk pro, i do remember hearing about a some psg-1's having threaded barrels so some one out their feels the hk gun is worth suppressing and iam sure the msg90 rifle has seen suppressors in its day.

i have an aav evo on my usp-T and i dont dout the quality of the aac suppressors but with the awsome price on the costal its almost hard to say no

 

[Fighthard]

Re: costal guns 308 suppressor on msg90 ?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: black_ump</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

First of all, you probably do not have a real H&K MSG90. They were not produced until after May of 1986 and a real MSG90 from H&K has a swing down lower which makes the receiver qualify as a Machine Gun by the BATFE.

Secondly, if you have an H&K 911, SR9 or SR9T that you think is an MSG90, it does not have a factory threaded barrel. And you will ruin it's value if you do thread it.

Thirdly, if you have a clone rifle and you put a can on it, one of the most likely outcomes is that it will shoot like ass. As many of the clone rifles have shit barrels that have a bore that is not concentric with the exterior of the barrel. Meaning you would have to have the barrel threaded to match the suppressor or have a new end cap made.

I would find a different platform to suppress.



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<span style="color: #FF6600">hey hk professional befor you start sliceing and diceing why dont you get a few facts first.

my barrel is a douglas barrel 26" long it is threaded 15x1m by phil flack, iam not going into the details of my build already did a thread on that.

the gun is a half moa gun easy, so you can keep your negitive b/s to your self.</span>

Not being negative, but realistic. If your gun is 1/2 MOA dependably, I wouldn't touch it, because any of the experienced hands on this sight will tell you that a repeatable 1/2 MOA out of a gas gun is almost unbelievable...M1A/MSG90/KAC MK11 Mod O/etc.

Roller locking bolt design is good for about 1 MOA due to the way the barrel is pressed into a trunion which is pinned into a sheet metal receiver and has to have reinforcements welded into the sides of the receiver to stiffen it to improve accuracy.

Here is a pic of my PSG1 it is not threaded, the factory guns were not threaded. That is why the MSG90 was introduced to have a flash hider, and a swing down lower, so that lowers could interchange with the other .308 weapons and to correct some other deficiencies in the PSG1 platform.

 

[black_ump]

Re: costal guns 308 suppressor on msg90 ?

sorry i guess i might have read it wrong.

yes with 155 smk and 175 smk and 168 hornady i can shoot .5 and .7 and if i really try .4 groups all day long and i could do better with a better scope ( in the works )and better reloading equipment, as state my barrel is threaded so i wanna give a suppressor a try.

why ? its good to shoot with out ear plugs feels better.

i have seen a few factory psg's with threaded barrels and they have a thread protector that looks just like an end of the psg's barrel

my rifle was built with one thing in mind and that is to shoot ground hogs she is no safe queen as its painted camo as well

 

[feely1]

Re: costal guns 308 suppressor on msg90 ?

I do not have much experience with the coastal cans, however it is your rifle. If you want to toy around with a suppressor for your HK (what ever model) good luck. We are currently having good results with HVT, 762-SD, SCAR H SD, and thunder trap cans on the semi platforms.

 

[Fighthard]

Re: costal guns 308 suppressor on msg90 ?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: black_ump</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
i have seen a few factory psg's with threaded barrels and they have a thread protector that looks just like an end of the psg's barrel

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H&K never has had a part number for a thread protector for a PSG1. They have part numbers and shitty customer service for all kinds of weird stuff, but that wasn't one of them.

The only suppressor design the Germans were into during the reign of the PSG1 was the "Reflex Style" out of Finland, sold by B&T. It doesn't work well with this weapon and H&K never sold threaded PSG1's. The "Grey Room" had some weird stuff in it, but that was not all available.

You don't have to believe me, but the truth is just that.

I have known Phil for 14 years and he will tell you the same thing.

PM me if you have a serious question.

 

[black_ump]

Re: costal guns 308 suppressor on msg90 ?

you dont find my questions serious ?

 

[Fighthard]

Re: costal guns 308 suppressor on msg90 ?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: black_ump</div><div class="ubbcode-body">you dont find my questions serious ? </div></div>

I believe you had a serious question. I also gave you a truthful and knowledgeable answer. Yet you persisted that I was wrong. I then gave you more details.

I then offered to answer any other questions that you might have in a PM, so this doesn't look like a pissing contest between the two of us.

Concerning the Coastal suppressors, they are inexpensive and durable and functional but the downside is that they are heavy. On a 26" barrel that is weighted like a cloned MSG90, it will be unwieldy.

I would mount one on the weapon first before you committed to one.

 

[black_ump]

Re: costal guns 308 suppressor on msg90 ?

all iam saying is i have seen factory guns with threaded barrels that has thread protectors the looked just like the barrel wasnt even threaded, hey maybe they had the barrel removed and threaded idk

i didnt state they came from the factory that way just saying i seen them.


i know the costal is heavy isnt it ? but this is somthing i would be shooting off the bipod 94% of the time so iam not as worried about wait as iam suppresson levels.

i hear weight from the suppressor can change poi but iam not as "professional" as every one else here, iam just a g-hog shooter so

 

[Victor Co Heather]

Re: costal guns 308 suppressor on msg90 ?

Why is everyone giving black ump such a hard time?

 

[black_ump]

Re: costal guns 308 suppressor on msg90 ?

lol where to begin lol...

i dont suppose he is giving me a hard time we are just talking about somthing.


i think i mainly get a hard time cause of the plat form I am shooting.

maybe its cause iam white. lol

honestly i think the hk nutz have hyped up the msg-90 and psg1 and have smashed it in every ones face for years, hype this and hype that and for all the money i spent on this build i could have bought a sako trg which is vary prooven, how many times have you hurd of an msg90 or psg1 used in any war used by any police department ?



well thats what iam doing iam here to show every one hey my CLONE rifle is shooting MOA to SUB-MOA and ya i am just showing every one yes the roller locked system is capable of .5 moa with the right work done to it, with the right mods you can have a shooter out of them. if your willing do do 5x's more work to it then you would a bolt gun

thanks m.45

and fighthard is not bothering me one bit the only way to learn is to talk hear on the boards bad or good iam learning.

if any one douts my sub moa rifle i have plenty of targets to back it up with

BUT lets move on suppressor talk here guys no flaming no one is bashing me atleast i dont feel that way... on to suppressors

i would love a qd muzzle brake and put the can over that as a matter of fact i belive its almost mandatory, who wants to take their f/h off then thread on a suppressor ? not i

 

[Victor Co Heather]

Re: costal guns 308 suppressor on msg90 ?

Hey one note about your OP, it's really hard to tell how well a suppressor works on video-- it may sound a lot louder than it is depending on if the mic is sensitive, also it works the other way around and loud noises can sound suppressed due to sound limiters in the mic.

Obviously the best way to tell is to shoot it yourself, or maybe check out silencertests.com (I think that's the name?)

Good luck, I'm interested to see how it shake out.

 

[black_ump]

Re: costal guns 308 suppressor on msg90 ?

i am a member their.... and the more i think about it the costal is prolly a good can, but its thread mount to the barrel i want one that attaches over top of the muzzle brake

if i bought a thread mounted one ( attaches to the barrel not the muzzle brake ) might as well leave it on correct ? take it off only to clean.

well the costal is at a good price at my gun shop 450 bucks but an extra 100 gets me a qd one ( i think ) so iam not sure

 

[rcnpthfndr]

Re: costal guns 308 suppressor on msg90 ?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: black_ump</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> how many times have you hurd of an msg90 or psg1 used in any war used by any police department ? </div></div>

sitting in the Pax terminal last week in bagram, the Bulgarians came through and they had 6 MSG-90's with flash hiders on the ends of the barrels.

 

[Arevalosocom]

Re: costal guns 308 suppressor on msg90 ?

http://www.silencertalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=17872

This link above is talk about a PTR-91 suppressed. There is a member on Silencertalk that uses a PTR-91 with a 762-SD and is pleased.

I have a PTR-91 and plan to use it with AAC SCAR-H. I will also meter this set up @ 1M and at the ear if my freaking can ever gets approved, pending since Dec 2. I'll post the results @ NFAtalk.org


That said I'm stunned you would buy, what I consider a heavy can for your platform. If you can afford that weapon, clearly you can afford a nicer/lighter can. The can you are looking at is heavy and that will effect your gun more than you realize.IMHO.

 

[Badshot308]

Re: costal guns 308 suppressor on msg90 ?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: black_ump</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

yes with 155 smk and 175 smk and 168 hornady i can shoot .5 and .7 and if i really try .4 groups all day long and i could do better with a better scope ( in the works )and better reloading equipment, as state my barrel is threaded so i wanna give a suppressor a try.</div></div>

OK,shoot 5, 5shot groups on the same piece of paper from 100 yards and post it.

 

[black_ump]

Re: costal guns 308 suppressor on msg90 ?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Badshot308</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: black_ump</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

yes with 155 smk and 175 smk and 168 hornady i can shoot .5 and .7 and if i really try .4 groups all day long and i could do better with a better scope ( in the works )and better reloading equipment, as state my barrel is threaded so i wanna give a suppressor a try.</div></div>

OK,shoot 5, 5shot groups on the same piece of paper from 100 yards and post it. </div></div>

as soon as i get more reloading bullets i will do just that, iam at the end of my blc2 and even though i have good loads worked up for it i might make the switch to varget, also want to get a trimmer and mic seating die befor i pick up reloading again


SOCOM:

I am looking at the 762sd as we speek it is 1pound lighter then the coastal but it really all depends on what i feel like spending in the end

 

[Badshot308]

Re: costal guns 308 suppressor on msg90 ?

Check your email. I sent you a PDF copy of the Snipers Hide Group Target.

 

[black_ump]

Re: costal guns 308 suppressor on msg90 ?

i didnt get an email from you try this email address

[email protected]

 

[Badshot308]

Re: costal guns 308 suppressor on msg90 ?

OK,check your inbox. The attachment is in Adobe Reader PDF format.

 

[black_ump]

Re: costal guns 308 suppressor on msg90 ?

got it..... give me about a month ( i have no money ) and ill have some bullets and a load worked up for varget