Covid and Misinformation

CypressJeff

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Would like to to speak on the accuracy of testing, and the reasoning for cycling one set of PCR tests 40 and one set at 20?

Are you pissed you got the vaccine to stop you from spreading, and it doesn't work?

Testing is a different topic. The point of this thread is to clear the misinformation on the Vaccine. Feel free to search your local/state hospitals for covid statistics.
 

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Jeff, you shitty cooze. You asked a question. You got some answers. Now you want to debate. Please go get on the Joy Reid show or somesuch shit and run your bitch mouth there. If you need some confirmation bias you'll be better off.
 

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Everyone EXCEPT to OP...

Ever feel like the cat who got tired of playing with the mouse she caught? Nothing but a mess that needs to be cleaned up, huh?
 

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I trust my instincts more than those pressuring me. Anne trit ally, I don’t know anyone directly who has died from Covid. I do know people who have had it and I believe I, myself had it late 2019. I am healthy, active and trust my natural immunity at this point. I’ve never seen the level of hysteria surround a disease that in all objectivity is no more dangerous than the flu.
I agree with you as I don't want to be pressured either. I'm not here to pressure anyone. I'm just trying to clear the noise. Each person has the right to make his/her own decision. Honestly, I could care less if anyone takes it or now. What I do care about is people having proper information to base those decisions off of.
 

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I see some of the most ridiculous post regarding Covid and misinformation is never a good thing, especially when it comes to health. I am Pro Choice as it should be up to you as to whether you get the shot or not as you will be the bearer of the circumstances of the decision whether good or bad. Fact is, Covid will be around for quite some times with plenty different mutations.

Honest question. Why would one NOT want to take the vaccine?

Some people seem to have a certain level of mistrust for mega pharmaceutical companies that have demonstrated in the past that they don't always tell the truth about their drugs, and as a result have a record of causing more harm than good, despite FDA approval.

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Some people seem to have a certain level of mistrust for the FDA that has demonstrated in the past that they are perfectly capable of approving drugs and foods which can do more harm than good.

Some people seem to have a certain level of mistrust for NIAID directors who constantly contradict themselves and are documented liars on "the proven science" and who have direct ethical and financial ties to virology labs to which they themselves farmed out gain of function research after it was banned in the US, and when the same lab, by sheer coincidence, happens to be at the epicenter of the origins of a manufactured virus that has killed millions.

Some people seem to have a certain level of mistrust for their "leaders" who command them to do one thing and then contradict and ignore their own rules whenever it suits them.



Some people don't trust a government that constantly lies about viable treatment protocols, infection numbers, mortality numbers, and pretty much every goddamned other motherfucking thing.

Some people especially have a problem trusting something that's being forced upon them by all of the above, knowing that they all enjoy immunity and are untouchable should they experience problems with the vaccines.

Then there are people like Ernest Ramirez, a single parent father who was convinced by the "experts" that his 16 year old son could have a normal life if he'd just go ahead and take the vaccine. His son is dead. His heart grew to twice its normal size after taking the "safe and effective" vaccine.
He's got a lawyer and is seeking to sue Pzifer for damages. He won't win. The law is on Pfizer's side, and they've lawyers that make more in an hour than his does in a week.


Here's a medical doctor and virology specialist telling you why you should not take the vaccine.

Oh shoot! Some YouTube moderator who's never passed a biology test decided the doctor didn't know what he was talking about and went ahead and protected you from that information.


Go be fucking stupid somewhere else.
 

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If you think the Delta variant is bad, wait till the one that's coming out in the spring. Just in time for the election cycle.


Also, I found some interesting reading regarding cytokine response. If you contract a variant that is not exactly what you were vaccinated for, it can really f u up.
Oh yeah, the talks about mu variant are already here. But have no fear for comrade falsey says its no concern. For now…(ominous music)
 

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Jeff, you shitty cooze. You asked a question. You got some answers. Now you want to debate. Please go get on the Joy Reid show or somesuch shit and run your bitch mouth there. If you need some confirmation bias you'll be better off.
Have a question?
 

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    I agree with you as I don't want to be pressured either. I'm not here to pressure anyone. I'm just trying to clear the noise. Each person has the right to make his/her own decision. Honestly, I could care less if anyone takes it or now. What I do care about is people having proper information to base those decisions off of.
    Exactly. I respect anyone’s choice as long as they respect mine.
     

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    Some people seem to have a certain level of mistrust for mega pharmaceutical companies that have demonstrated in the past that they don't always tell the truth about their drugs, and as a result have a record of causing more harm than good, despite FDA approval.

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    Some people seem to have a certain level of mistrust for the FDA that has demonstrated in the past that they are perfectly capable of approving drugs and foods which can do more harm than good.

    Some people seem to have a certain level of mistrust for NIAID directors who constantly contradict themselves and are documented liars on "the proven science" and who have direct ethical and financial ties to virology labs to which they themselves farmed out gain of function research after it was banned in the US, and when the same lab, by sheer coincidence, happens to be at the epicenter of the origins of a manufactured virus that has killed millions.

    Some people seem to have a certain level of mistrust for their "leaders" who command them to do one thing and then contradict and ignore their own rules whenever it suits them.



    Some people don't trust a government that constantly lies about viable treatment protocols, infection numbers, mortality numbers, and pretty much every goddamned other motherfucking thing.

    Some people especially have a problem trusting something that's being forced upon them by all of the above, knowing that they all enjoy immunity and are untouchable should they experience problems with the vaccines.

    Then there are people like Ernest Ramirez, a single parent father who was convinced by the "experts" that his 16 year old son could have a normal life if he'd just go ahead and take the vaccine. His son is dead. His heart grew to twice its normal size after taking the "safe and effective" vaccine.
    He's got a lawyer and is seeking to sue Pzifer for damages. He won't win. The law is on Pfizer's side, and they've lawyers that make more in an hour than his does in a week.


    Here's a medical doctor and virology specialist telling you why you should not take the vaccine.

    Oh shoot! Some YouTube moderator who's never passed a biology test decided the doctor didn't know what he was talking about and went ahead and protected you from that information.


    Go be fucking stupid somewhere else.
    Your efforts are admirable but you are trying to nail jello to a tree.

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    I see some of the most ridiculous post regarding Covid and misinformation is never a good thing, especially when it comes to health. I am Pro Choice as it should be up to you as to whether you get the shot or not as you will be the bearer of the circumstances of the decision whether good or bad. Fact is, Covid will be around for quite some times with plenty different mutations.

    Honest question. Why would one NOT want to take the vaccine?
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    CypressJeff

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    Some people seem to have a certain level of mistrust for mega pharmaceutical companies that have demonstrated in the past that they don't always tell the truth about their drugs, and as a result have a record of causing more harm than good, despite FDA approval.

    View attachment 7701444

    Some people seem to have a certain level of mistrust for the FDA that has demonstrated in the past that they are perfectly capable of approving drugs and foods which can do more harm than good.

    Some people seem to have a certain level of mistrust for NIAID directors who constantly contradict themselves and are documented liars on "the proven science" and who have direct ethical and financial ties to virology labs to which they themselves farmed out gain of function research after it was banned in the US, and when the same lab, by sheer coincidence, happens to be at the epicenter of the origins of a manufactured virus that has killed millions.

    Some people seem to have a certain level of mistrust for their "leaders" who command them to do one thing and then contradict and ignore their own rules whenever it suits them.



    Some people don't trust a government that constantly lies about viable treatment protocols, infection numbers, mortality numbers, and pretty much every goddamned other motherfucking thing.

    Some people especially have a problem trusting something that's being forced upon them by all of the above, knowing that they all enjoy immunity and are untouchable should they experience problems with the vaccines.

    Then there are people like Ernest Ramirez, a single parent father who was convinced by the "experts" that his 16 year old son could have a normal life if he'd just go ahead and take the vaccine. His son is dead. His heart grew to twice its normal size after taking the "safe and effective" vaccine.
    He's got a lawyer and is seeking to sue Pzifer for damages. He won't win. The law is on Pfizer's side, and they've lawyers that make more in an hour than his does in a week.


    Here's a medical doctor and virology specialist telling you why you should not take the vaccine.

    Oh shoot! Some YouTube moderator who's never passed a biology test decided the doctor didn't know what he was talking about and went ahead and protected you from that information.
    I agree with the majority of what you said. I'm not one who trusts. For the video of the medical Dr, there will always be outliers when it comes to opinions. Speak to your Primary Dr about the vaccine and ask him/her about the vaccine Vs Covid. Don't trust me, i'm just here attempting to clear the noise.
     

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    Feels like this is some kind of AI bot testing out conversation programming. Maybe it's from China? Let's try this:

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    CypressJeff

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    Your efforts are admirable but you are trying to nail jello to a tree.

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    I knew there would be a shitstorm before I posted. Like I said, I don't care who takes the vaccine or not but a good discussion with the facts is worth everyone's time here. Had anyone even thought about what catching CV 3+ times would do to one's lungs? Probably not. This site is Warrior Rich with a few punks and cunts mixed in. Good info is important.
     

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    I agree with you as I don't want to be pressured either. I'm not here to pressure anyone. I'm just trying to clear the noise. Each person has the right to make his/her own decision. Honestly, I could care less if anyone takes it or now. What I do care about is people having proper information to base those decisions off of.
    Problem, when “official” sources and researchers are the one lying; to whom does one turn to for the truth? You’re the OP with a title of covid and misinformation. The goverment commities are the ones spreading misinformation and then dragging independent doctors and researchers through the mud. Big tech then censors them from media platforms. Big tech, big pharma and big gov have a lot of shared names and finacial support. Drawing questions that should be asked and answered. Instead they silence those that ask.
     

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    I'm heading out for the night and will check back in the morning. I'm open for more questions.
     

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    I knew there would be a shitstorm before I posted. Like I said, I don't care who takes the vaccine or not but a good discussion with the facts is worth everyone's time here. Had anyone even thought about what catching CV 3+ times would do to one's lungs? Probably not. This site is Warrior Rich with a few punks and cunts mixed in. Good info is important.
    Cool story bro... tell us another.

    I dunno.. what could pneumonia do to you if you have it three times? Answer, some lung shit....and?

    Covid has nearly caught up to my chance of passing away to a car accident.. maybe next year amiright?
     
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    Problem, when “official” sources and researchers are the one lying; to whom does one turn to for the truth? You’re the OP with a title of covid and misinformation. The goverment commities are the ones spreading misinformation and then dragging independent doctors and researchers through the mud. Big tech then censors them from media platforms. Big tech, big pharma and big gov have a lot of shared names and finacial support. Drawing questions that should be asked and answered. Instead they silence those that ask.
    That's why I'm here. If you can't trust your local clinicians then we are in trouble. Talk to your Dr or others with a high lvl of education in the Healthcare Field. Don't trust me as I am just a guy on the internet. Check your local hospital statistics. Do your due diligence. Refer only to solid clinical data for information and pretty much don't believe anything on youtube, facebook or other crap like that.
     

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    Cool story bro... tell us another.

    I dunno.. what could pneumonia do to you if you have it three times? Answer, some lung shit....and?

    Covid has nearly caught up to my chance of passing away to a car accident.. maybe next year amiright?
    It looks like you are attempting to compare Pneumonia to Covid. Two completely different beasts. For the car accident, I have absolutely no idea what you are trying to get across.
     

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    I've got three twats that are either too scared or too stupid to answer. Anyone else?
    What do you want to know? Flu vaccine has been around for how long? We still have the flu and outbreaks. I work in Healthcare.

    The vaccine isn't working like they are selling it, that's one major issue. It DOES NOT STOP THE SPREAD nor is it super effective on geriatric patients like everyone thinks. Using real world experience, 11 Covid Patients in my Red Unit as of today, 9 are fully vaccinated... it spread to vaccinated through a vaccinated vendor.... working for our lab.

    We are now on Covid 21 with the 2 new variants.

    Why get it.. if you are high risk then talk about it and think hard. For the rest of us, don't think getting it changes the spread or will end it... it won't, just look around. In the Acutes we have more vaccinated then unvaccinated being admitted. True in ICU's they are unvaccinated... so base your decision on that.

    Using libtards slogans "my body my choice" so right there is why I wouldn't or would.

    I got it, even after having the Rona, which was hardly anything. Would I do it again, no, jacked my heart for several months!

    Also, on the booster state and CDC emailed us and said Hard NO! do not give it out... hmmmm you guys didn't hear that did you.
     
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    It looks like you are attempting to compare Pneumonia to Covid. Two completely different beasts. For the car accident, I have absolutely no idea what you are trying to get across.
    Don't act silly at this point. Both are respiratory diseases, both can have long term lung issues, only one has an actual long term history to prove it. The point was, who the F cares what could happen? What if the sky falls chicken little? You gonna stop driving to protect tha children!!!!!

    My chances of passing away in a fatal car accident is 1 in 407 or .002. (Via NSC) Vs covid 8634 in 5244240 or .001(via cdc).

    So congrats, I'm still twice as likely to die in a fatal car accident at my age. Explain to the world again why I should Vax? Stop driving, you could save my life
     

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    How many deaths from the vaccine have been reported to VAERS? How many deaths from the swine flu vaccine occurred before they stopped that program?
    openvaers.com

    Singapore T-cell study shows that patients who recovered from SARS-CoV-1, still possess virus-specific memory T-cells that display cross-immunity to SARS-CoV-2 17-years later. https://www.duke-nus.edu.sg/allnews...recovered-patients-and-uninfected-individuals

    @CypressJeff If you're getting your info from Google, FB MSM you're being played for a sucker. I figure your a troll but I'll post the real info any chance I get. And fuck the vaccine! It's for suckers. IVM or HCQ and zinc stop it cold.
     

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    A common misconception is that Covid is a respiratory disease. It's a blood disease.
    It impedes the blood's ability to transport oxygen from the lungs to the treat of the body. This is why people die while having their lungs pumped full of oxygen by a machine.
     
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    Delta is more aggressive towards children and young people. Who knows what the next 5, 10, 15 mutations will be like. You are using old data to make decisions. I'm here highlighting the now and future. True, Covid is oddly selective at times.

    The Flue is passed around similarly to the way Covid is passed around therefore it's expected that the Flu caseload will be reduced.


    Chicken Pox is "One and Done" if you don't take into consideration Shingles. As long as you don't have direct contact with Shingles, they are not contageious so........That's a totally different scenario
    I agree with the majority of what you said. I'm not one who trusts. For the video of the medical Dr, there will always be outliers when it comes to opinions. Speak to your Primary Dr about the vaccine and ask him/her about the vaccine Vs Covid. Don't trust me, i'm just here attempting to clear the noise.
    Clear the noise? Stop drinking your own coolaide because you are doing nothing but parroting hand picked stats. You are an example of why a large number of people in the medical profession are outright liars and refuse to look at real numbers. Some examples:

    vaccinated carry 251% of the viral load of unvaxxed
    The injections are not vaccines because they do not meet the definition of a vaccine. That was until the CDC changed the definition of a vaccine
    What country has the highest per capita covid infection rate? Israel
    Over 80% of Israel has had either two or three shots. Their infection rate has increase as has their inoculation rate
    Cardio myopathy and severe clotting issues are killing low risk people
    80% or more of the initial hospitalization were fat or diabetic
    Not a single healthy person 14 or younger in the US that has contracted Covid has died

    ALL of this data, and more, is in the public domain. Be smart enough to do your own research and if not go fuck yourself.

    Oh yeah, to your question “Why not take the injection(s)”? Because I am a god damn grown ass man that can read research papers, make my own decisions, refuse to take a shot of an unapproved drug that lacks the full gambit of testing and am not a slave to ANYONE? Did that answer your question?
     

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    It looks like you are attempting to compare Pneumonia to Covid. Two completely different beasts. For the car accident, I have absolutely no idea what you are trying to get across.
    But, but, but you promised us you were going out for the night. WTF dude, which is it ?

    You and this whole thread are complete wastes of time. You're not trying to clear up anything. The numbers and evidence are there, if you choose to see them. If you do, if you don't, I doubt there are very many people here that could give a shit one way or the other.
     
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    Feel free to search your local/state hospitals for covid statistics.
    Feel free to explain any time you want how many people 'according to the statistics' died of the regular old flu in 2020.

    According to those false and faulty statistics not a single person died of the regular flu for the first time in human history during the year 2020.
     

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    "I keep seeing history being rewritten so let me offer a CliffsNotes version:

    We. All. Fucking. Stayed. Home.

    We all masked. We were all "in this together" until the restrictions became unreasonable.
    We didn't get haircuts. We missed deaths of loved ones from other diseases. We put off funerals.

    We put on masks. We social distanced.

    Not for 15 days. But 30 days. 45 days.
    We watched as our businesses closed, our events canceled.
    And then we watched Nancy Pelosi get a haircut.
    And you defended her.

    We watched Gavin have dinner with friends.
    And you defended him.
    We watched as you protested and rioted and looted and burned, all the while telling us we were horrible for being mad about the draconian measures implemented that shut down our gyms and bars and theaters.
    We were "in this together" when you said you wouldn't trust a vaccine under Trump.

    We were "in this together" when you acted like the experts knew what the fuck they were talking about even as they changed their position in the matter of days.
    We did it your way.

    It didn't work.
    So take your revisionist bullshit and go hide under your bed.
    You act like HCQ is an experimental drug.

    It isn't.
    You act like Ivermectin is only for horses.

    It isn't.
    You act like you follow the science.

    You don't.

    If you did, you wouldn't hold the positions you do.
    This isn't about being anti-vaxx.

    This is about your arrogance and rewriting history to make you feel better about being the Nazis at this point in history.
    You think your patience is running out?

    LOL fuck you.
    I know people that couldn't hold their family member's hand as they died because of COVID.

    Fuck your inconvenience.
    I know people that lost their businesses.

    Fuck your "running out of patience"
    I think it's time you give the unvaxxed their credit. Many of us have already had COVID and lived.

    Hell, mine was treated early with vitamins and it wasn't even at flu strength.
    No, COVID is not a hoax. It absolutely should be taken seriously.

    But maybe it should have been taken seriously by your side the entire time.
    Our patience ran out last year, early this year.

    Welcome to the club."
    Dr strangetweet
     

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    that's a pretty easy one anything you hear on tv is misinformation in many cases flat out lies if it's from the government , what your doctor suggests is good information or at least it could be good information could be I still think my doctors are trying to kill me or milk me for all I am worth lol moo , moo .:ROFLMAO:
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    What's dumb is none of you have answered. Are you scared to answer?
    First level of dumbness: your presumption that we are unvaxinated.

    Middle level of dumbness: your presumption that strangers on the internet should provide you with information.

    Extreem level of dumbness: coming here and exposing your air of entitlement in demanding we answer your questions.
     

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    On behalf of all of those who think the Bear Pit is filled with dumb cunts who should get vaccinated, I apologize. We are clearly no longer sending our best.
     

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    CypressJeff et al., why don't you mind your own fucking business. As a vaccinated person you are more of a risk to the unvaccinated than the other way around.

    I don't care if you take a third jab, a monthly booster, whatever. Even though I have to pay for this like any other taxpayer. Heck, you can even have my "free" dose of Pfizermectin once that becomes available to "augment" the vaccines. Yes, Pfizer is developing a compound that exploits the same antiviral mechanism than Ivermectin. Just patented and predictably much more expensive. Do you think they do this because their vaccines are so great and make this drug unnecessary?

    Again, I do not care what you do or don't. Knock yourself out but please stop thinking and deciding for others.

    My body, my choice (which does not include killing the unborn for me).
    Do you know how many lifestyle drugs I take where the list of side effects is as long or longer than the benefits? How about zero.
    Wanna guess how many prescription drugs I take at all? How about zero as well.

    What do you think, I'll do when I get diagnosed with persistent high blood pressure? Take a pill, or change my diet and avoid irritating people like you?

    As far as Covid is concerned, I have the "just in case kit" ready, follow the I-mask protocol (i.e wear a N95 mask when and where it provides benefits) and accept to get the Wuflu at some point. By that time you will most likely be on your fifth plus jab. That looks to me like a Russian Roulette where you pull the trigger repeatedly. And we are not just talking about the risk of immediate side effects like Myocarditis, strokes, Guillain-Barre, Bell's Palsy, etc. Nobody knows what "syndromes" are going to be part of our normal vocabulary in one, five, or ten years after the jabs.

    Why did pregnant women take thalidomide in the 1950's?
    Because they felt that the inconvenience of nausea during a pregnancy requires and justifies medication. I came pretty close to having to type these comments with my feet. My mother's OBGYN prescribed "Contergan", the German version of thalidomide, but my mother, a PharmD of all professions, declined. God bless her soul. Owning an Apothecary, she had free access to literally every drug offered by big Pharma plus anything they could compound themselves. But at home our drug use policy was similar to the prudent use of lethal force: Only in the event of an acute and otherwise unavoidable threat of death or severe, disabling injury.

    Maybe we are genetic freaks but staying as drug free as possible has served my family well. Father died at age 86, mother at 92, both lucid and on their feet until the last hour and last day respectively. My brothers and I get often asked whether we forgot to fill out the sections in a medical questionnaire where most people our age run out of space.

    But here are the times we live in. Before a recent hernia operation, the surgeon prescribed - get this - Oxycontin for the potential post-op pain from two 1/4 inch and one 3/8 inch hole in my belly skin. WTF? I told the Doc that I have no prior experience with opiates, that I could be in the group of people who get addicted to this shit in two days, and that I am not going to take that risk. Oh, and I recently skied another 2 hours with a broken leg because I did not want to crawl down the mountain. So, I rather opt for a few potentially (!) miserable days. He talked me into taking a script for some other stuff that also had warnings about addictive potential on the official info available online. In the end, I did not even need a Tylenol. Just got out of bed a little less dynamically for two days.

    Could it be that after the military-industrial complex, the medical-pharma complex is fleecing us blind now?
     
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    On behalf of all of those who think the Bear Pit is filled with dumb cunts who should get vaccinated, I apologize. We are clearly no longer sending our best.
    I still don’t see any measurable benefit unless you are in a high risk category with multiple co-morbidities.

    even then we don’t have much data on how many lives would have been/could be saved if instead of sending mild cases home with zero early treatment methods, and told people to only come back once they were about to die. Until extremely recently the method to treat Covid was, do nothing until you are literally about to die then come to the ER.

    ivm, vit D zinc

    Hcq zinc Zpack

    both seems to be extremely effective when treatment is started early, just like every other damn disease on the plant. Since when ever in the history of medicine was, do literally nothing until you were about to die. Don’t feed some BS studies about these treatments after patients are already hospitalized and far down the about to die hole.

    You want to start cutting out Covid hospitalizations, how about instead of sending every person $1200 to go buy a new TV send them a full regimen of early treatments to take at the onset of symptoms.
     

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    What I want to know is why this virus was unleashed on humanity? Who is behind this? What do they gain? I'm not buying the undercooked bat story.
    Covid 1.0, Covid 2.0, how many more variants do they have ready to test?
    Vaccine? I really don't think it's a vaccine. Too many "vaccinated" people still getting Covid.
    I know Covid fucks some people up. Strange how we pretty much have had no flu for over 18 months.
    The flu fucks some people up. The one time I did get a flu shot, I got the flu. Huh. Sucks that many of us had no choice about the Wu-flu needle jab.
    And you bring your sanctimonious, pompous ass here and ask why some don't want the vaccine and then get pissy when we don't want to play your game? You say you're for freedom of choice, and then belittle others when they don't respond the way you want? Get over yourself.
     
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    I still don’t see any measurable benefit unless you are in a high risk category with multiple co-morbidities.

    even then we don’t have much data on how many lives would have been/could be saved if instead of sending mild cases home with zero early treatment methods, and told people to only come back once they were about to die. Until extremely recently the method to treat Covid was, do nothing until you are literally about to die then come to the ER.

    ivm, vit D zinc

    Hcq zinc Zpack

    both seems to be extremely effective when treatment is started early, just like every other damn disease on the plant. Since when ever in the history of medicine was, do literally nothing until you were about to die. Don’t feed some BS studies about these treatments after patients are already hospitalized and far down the about to die hole.

    You want to start cutting out Covid hospitalizations, how about instead of sending every person $1200 to go buy a new TV send them a full regimen of early treatments to take at the onset of symptoms.
    I'll give you my .02 and then probably bow out.

    From what I have seen, the vaccines are not monolithic. The Moderna vaccine appears to be twice as durable as the Pfizer, and I am not sure about the J&J. This is with regard to "delta" for transmission. IOW, you aren't seeing the level of pass through cases with Moderna. As far as moderating symptoms, they both appear to be rather good, at least from what I have seen reported in the US. Yes, reported and US are confounding factors, but in a 60% or so vaccinated population it isn't nothing to see 80-90% of severe cases come from the 40% group.

    I have read conflicting reports on Ivermectin and Hcq treatments, and I am not enough of an expert to unpack the differences. One real issue is that, from ariel views of burial plots near the Ganges, it appears India might have had 10x the number of deaths they actually reported, so honestly I can't say. I would say that they are certainly safe medicines, and human medicines, but that I would go through a doctor to get them in order to make sure you are on the right track.

    My honest opinion about the vaccine is that I actually like you guys, despite how you feel about me, and because of that, and my belief that the vaccines are helpful, particularly the Moderna, is that you guys should get them. But I don't think anybody should force you to do so. I also think people should get in shape, lose weight, get stronger and all of the other good things in life that are likely to have a greater impact on your lifespan than will covid. But those things too are your choice.
     

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    What I want to know is why this virus was unleashed on humanity? Who is behind this? What do they gain? I'm not buying the undercooked bat story.
    Covid 1.0, Covid 2.0, how many more variants do they have ready to test?
    Vaccine? I really don't think it's a vaccine. Too many "vaccinated" people still getting Covid.
    I know Covid fucks some people up. Strange how we pretty much have had no flu for over 18 months.
    The flu fucks some people up. The one time I did get a flu shot, I got the flu. Huh. Sucks that many of us had no choice about the Wu-flu needle jab.
    And you bring your sanctimonious, pompous ass here and ask why some don't want the vaccine and then get pissy when we don't want to play your game? You say you're for freedom of choice, and then belittle others when they don't respond the way you want? Get over yourself.
    Ask Winnie the Poo aka Xi Xinping. Its normal for viruses to mutate, the real question is why China covered it up so early, refused to cooperate with investigations. A lot of indications indicate it was lab origin. Even if it wasn't China drug their feet waaay to long.
     

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    Oxycontin for the potential post-op pain from two 1/4 inch and one 3/8 inch hole in my belly skin. WTF?
    I hate to derail when everyone is piling it on the OP...

    But, the above happened to me as well for a very minor dental procedure. Got prescribed some substantial pain meds for something a couple of generic ibuprofen took care of in about 4 hours. I bet the amount of fuckery that goes on between "doctors" and pharma is insane. Not saying there isn't a time and place for the heavy hitters, but I have almost zero faith most docs and hospital admin will do what is right when it comes down to lining their pockets vs utilizing common sense.
     
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