CZ 457 MTR Scope rings

[vfr800ch]

so, I finally decided to get a CZ 457 MTR (it's lovely as is (love the wood stock) and if necessary can put it in a MDT XRS Chassis at some point in the future..) and plan to add an Area 419 30 MOA rail and a Vortex Strike Eagle 5-25x56 scope and some Vortex Pro 34mm scope rings (due to availability issues) but then the question comes about which height rings: low (0.95"/24.13 mm) or medium (1.1"/27.94mm).

I assumed this was going to be pretty easy to find, as I'm pretty sure i'm not the first person to use this combination but somehow I can't seem to find the answer.

I would really like to have a decent cheek weld without adding a cheek riser, but is this an unrealistic expectation? (hence the idea to use low rings)

I'd also still like to add the sun shade, but is this even possible with low rings and a 30 MOA rail..

I will only be using this for range use, I have access to 100m and possibly up to 300m

Thanks for any advice!

 

[125 Straight]

This is the method I use to determine ring height. Make sure you have the sun shade on when you do this.

 

[Emerson0311]

To shoot Rimfire PRS go as high as possible. It helps with your shooting position. All significant chassis have adjustable cheek rests, although current wisdom recommends chin weld vs cheek weld anyway. If it’s just for the bench disregard.

 

[beetroot]

Low will work and provide a better cheek weld.
However the general wisdom is to go higher.

I recently changed from approx 1.2" to 1.5" tall rings and found it to be a much more comfortable shooting experience.
It should be easy enough to source some sort of cheek riser if you go for the higher rings.

Also before buying a chassis start another thread and get feedback on the different options, and include (swiss?)
pricing so people can get the full picture.

 

[Fasteddie01]

I have the VMTR in wood stock with the 30moa 419-rail and the scope (Athlon Argos 8-34x 56 FFP) I have only had 44-MOA Total adj, so I was unable to zero at 50. I had to get Burris XTR rings to 'take-off' 10 MOA to get that 'close' zero. Cheaper than changing scopes but it left me pretty high for a chin-weld. The alternative is removing the rail and using regular rings - maybe someday? I've made a cheek-rest with a foam mouse-pad and brown duck tape, held on with Alien Tape ! Looks 'almost real' but lets the wood show well.

 

[vfr800ch]

Interesting point about the 30 MOA rail, but when you potentially zero at 50, aren't you just restricting maximum elevation and hence range? Why can't you zero at 50? Excuse my ignorance, I'm new at this.. ;-)

I actually DO want to zero at 50 meters,or even 25M? (this is one reason why I got a 22 LR, to learn how to then increase to up to 300M from 25/50, in steps).

According to chatGPT : (yeah, i'm lazy for now, will learn properly later..)

Using the RevStop zero stop on the Strike Eagle does cap how much usable elevation you can dial above zero.

• If your zero-stop gives you ~47 MOA total “up” from your 50 m zero, that’s ≈ 13.7 MIL of dialable elevation.

What that means in practice (from a 50 m zero, .22 LR)​

Using typical .22 LR match ammo (~1060 fps, 40 gr, BC ~0.13–0.14), the approximate elevation needed from a 50 m zero is:

• 200 m ≈ 6.5 MIL (≈ 22 MOA)
• 250 m ≈ 10.5–11 MIL (≈ 36–38 MOA)
• 275 m ≈ ~13 MIL (≈ 45 MOA)
• 300 m ≈ ~15 MIL (≈ 52 MOA)

Since your dialable limit is 47 MOA (≈13.7 MIL), you’ll run out of turret around ~280–290 m with subsonic/match ammo. With faster high-velocity .22 LR, you might squeak a bit farther (closer to ~300 m), but 300 m usually needs ~51–53 MOA, which is just beyond a 47 MOA cap.

TL;DR

• Yes, you can still zero at 50 m with the 30 MOA base and set the zero stop.
• With the zero stop limiting you to 47 MOA up, your furthest dialable range is roughly ~280–290 m on typical match .22 LR.
• Beyond that, you can still shoot farther using reticle holdover, or by loosening/removing the zero stop for that session if you need more dial.

 

[STex]

VFR, I have that same rifle/scope setup as a loaner rifle. I went with low rings and still needed a cheek riser. I installed a Victor Titan and problem solved. Good luck

 

[vfr800ch]

Unfortunately, the Vortex Strike Eagle that i'd planned to buy is (as soon as I want to buy it ) no longer available at a decent price (was 650.- CHF, which is $820 from one shop, but seems like they won't be getting any more..) and the only shop that still sells it are selling for list price which is 893.- CHF ($1130) so i'm wondering what other scopes you'd recommend?

 

[Sblzrd65]

Zero for 50 over 25. More or less the distance standard everyone uses. Can always hold or dial down for 25. Starting at 50 will give you more room to dial up for the 300 you're looking to reach out and touch.

Lowest rings possible made more sense back before ballistic calculators. Now one just plugs in the distance of scope height and it adjusts so the new(er) goal is at whatever height feels a bit more comfortable and natural. Definitely not low. Maybe medium but high might make more sense (the 1.3-1.5ish range). Most rings and base website will have measurements to check and see the clearance needed.

The scope share add on won't make it any larger, that's already done by the end of the scope as is.

Also, for reaching out to any "cool" distance, the supersonics won't work as well. There's a point they slow down below the speed of sound and get all tumbled up. Farther out stick with any of the European match grade ammo companies

 

[beetroot]

Unfortunately, the Vortex Strike Eagle that i'd planned to buy is (as soon as I want to buy it ) no longer available at a decent price (was 650.- CHF, which is $820 from one shop, but seems like they won't be getting any more..) and the only shop that still sells it are selling for list price which is 893.- CHF ($1130) so i'm wondering what other scopes you'd recommend?

Can you get a Delta Javelin there?
Or Meopta Optika6?

Are all US scopes the same crazy prices there or are some of them reasonably priced.

 

[jpjulian]

I have an EGW 20MOA rail on my MTR and put a Bradley custom leather adjustable cheekpiece on it also. No mods to a nice piece of wood. Way better cheek weld with the Bradley in place and doesn't look butt fugly as some other mods do.

 

[vfr800ch]

Can you get a Delta Javelin there?
Or Meopta Optika6?

Are all US scopes the same crazy prices there or are some of them reasonably priced.

The Delta Javelin is $1500 and the Meopta about $1420.

Yes. Most are annoyingly expensive. Arken EP5 5-25 I could get for about $700 if I import from the UK (one company alone will ship abroad, opticswarehouse). They also have the Meopta Optika 6 for about $1200 but of course this is still more expensive than the approx. $1100 I can get the Strike Eagle for locally

 

[beetroot]

Optics Warehouse has the Element Titan 5-25 with is probably comparable to the Strike Eagle, and looks like a cheaper option.

 

[Rileysboo]

My go to Rimfire rings are BKL. 300 series for 30mm tube or 200 series for 1” tubes. The “low”version on either series will clear fine with that scope. You don’t need a rail.

 

[bobby1028]

The Delta Javelin is $1500 and the Meopta about $1420.

Yes. Most are annoyingly expensive. Arken EP5 5-25 I could get for about $700 if I import from the UK (one company alone will ship abroad, opticswarehouse). They also have the Meopta Optika 6 for about $1200 but of course this is still more expensive than the approx. $1100 I can get the Strike Eagle for locally

The Optika 6 is light years ahead of the Strike Eagle, a no brainer at $100 more...

 

[lash]

My two cents.

First consider that the Area 419 rail is taller than some other rails.

Note that you shouldn’t have any trouble getting to 300 meters with a 50 yard zero with most scopes and the 30 moa rail. I’ve used vortex 6-24x50 diamondback (really low end), Bushnell LRHSi and LRHS2 4.5-18x50, Arken EP5 5-25, and now Bushnell match pro 5-30x56 on mine.

I’ve had no problems dialing to 310 yards, shy of 300m using a 50y zero and subsonic ammo. I’ve had no clearance issues using low rings and a sun shade. I wouldn’t rely too heavily on AI to answer your questions.

Cheek weld can be an issue if you want a tight cheek weld. You will have to find one of the great options for cheek risers out there. Mine has an inexpensive suede leather one I found on Amazon. I’ve recently gone to high rings and a chin weld as it’s easier on me for PRS22 matches.

When I went to a high rings, actually a high mount, I had some comments about the height, but I care not what others think.

Here’s a picture:

 

[Emerson0311]

My two cents.

First consider that the Area 419 rail is taller than some other rails.

Note that you shouldn’t have any trouble getting to 300 meters with a 50 yard zero with most scopes and the 30 moa rail. I’ve used vortex 6-24x50 diamondback (really low end), Bushnell LRHSi and LRHS2 4.5-18x50, Arken EP5 5-25, and now Bushnell match pro 5-30x56 on mine.

I’ve had no problems dialing to 310 yards, shy of 300m using a 50y zero and subsonic ammo. I’ve had no clearance issues using low rings and a sun shade. I wouldn’t rely too heavily on AI to answer your questions.

Cheek weld can be an issue if you want a tight cheek weld. You will have to find one of the great options for cheek risers out there. Mine has an inexpensive suede leather one I found on Amazon. I’ve recently gone to high rings and a chin weld as it’s easier on me for PRS22 matches.

When I went to a high rings, actually a high mount, I had some comments about the height, but I care not what others think.

Here’s a picture:

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I use high mounts and chin weld on all my “precision” stuff now, CF and RF.

 

[Vivacious Stallion]

I've been running an Arken EP5 and some prize table Area 419 medium height rings for a couple years now, along with all the other 419 accouterments. This isn't so high as requiring a chin weld, but is definitely a more heads up position like I use on my cf PRS guns.

I mostly shoot at 200-300y, but have also had great results shooting SK LRM and Eley Match out to 500y.

 

[vfr800ch]

First consider that the Area 419 rail is taller than some other rails.

Note that you shouldn’t have any trouble getting to 300 meters with a 50 yard zero with most scopes and the 30 moa rail. I’ve used vortex 6-24x50 diamondback (really low end), Bushnell LRHSi and LRHS2 4.5-18x50, Arken EP5 5-25, and now Bushnell match pro 5-30x56 on mine.

I’ve had no problems dialing to 310 yards, shy of 300m using a 50y zero and subsonic ammo. I’ve had no clearance issues using low rings and a sun shade. I wouldn’t rely too heavily on AI to answer your questions.

Cheek weld can be an issue if you want a tight cheek weld. You will have to find one of the great options for cheek risers out there. Mine has an inexpensive suede leather one I found on Amazon. I’ve recently gone to high rings and a chin weld as it’s easier on me for PRS22 matches.

When I went to a high rings, actually a high mount, I had some comments about the height, but I care not what others think.

Here’s a picture:

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Thanks for your comments, I'd seen that C-Does on youtube had raved about the Bushnell Match Pro ED, and also that you'd previously had the Arken EP-5 5-25. What's your opinion of the difference?

I'm considering ordering a Bradley Cheek riser, I guess that would help as it goes fairly tall and help get a decent cheek weld with the height of the Area 419 rail.

 

[lash]

Thanks for your comments, I'd seen that C-Does on youtube had raved about the Bushnell Match Pro ED, and also that you'd previously had the Arken EP-5 5-25. What's your opinion of the difference?

I'm considering ordering a Bradley Cheek riser, I guess that would help as it goes fairly tall and help get a decent cheek weld with the height of the Area 419 rail.

I liked the Arken a lot, but for my older eyes and using it for PRS22, which is a dynamic situation, I prefer the heavier reticle of the Bushnell. For bench targets work, the Arken reticle is better.

I tend to run around 10-15x in matches and for me the thinner reticle just wasn’t as easy for my eye to pick up at the lower powers.

The Arken is a very good scope for your use in my opinion.