CZ 75 or 92FS
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Re: CZ 75 or 92FS
Depends on which CZ-75 you are talking about.
I own a CZ75 SP01-Shadow that has never failed so far, and it has quite a few hundred rounds downrange...
It has a rail and comes with 3 18-round magazines, lots of optional factory accessories available and there are some good holsters out there for it as well.
Replace the plastic "fiber optic" front sight with a regular steel one (can be had as option, either have someone install it for you or find a jewelers file and do it yourself), "adjust" it (a lil more precision filework) and youre gtg.
Have shot the 92FS as well, great gun but you pay some extra for the brand in my opinion, not enough experience with it to comment on reliability.
Ask the mods to move this to "Sidearms, suppressors and k-bars" and you will have more luck and qualified opinions.
John - out
Depends on which CZ-75 you are talking about.
I own a CZ75 SP01-Shadow that has never failed so far, and it has quite a few hundred rounds downrange...
It has a rail and comes with 3 18-round magazines, lots of optional factory accessories available and there are some good holsters out there for it as well.
Replace the plastic "fiber optic" front sight with a regular steel one (can be had as option, either have someone install it for you or find a jewelers file and do it yourself), "adjust" it (a lil more precision filework) and youre gtg.
Have shot the 92FS as well, great gun but you pay some extra for the brand in my opinion, not enough experience with it to comment on reliability.
Ask the mods to move this to "Sidearms, suppressors and k-bars" and you will have more luck and qualified opinions.
John - out
Re: CZ 75 or 92FS
both are pretty good guns imho. don't discount the czech republic, they make some nice firearms, for hunting and military applications.
all that said, get both
both are pretty good guns imho. don't discount the czech republic, they make some nice firearms, for hunting and military applications.
all that said, get both
Re: CZ 75 or 92FS
I've got a 92FS Brigadier and have had absolutely NO issues with it - cannot jam it if i try.
But I'd also love to have a CZ-75 - and there was a time you could get a CZ-75 FAR FAR cheaper.
I'm not sure if that's the case anymore as people have realized the quality there and the price soon follows.
The Beretta is more common and easier to get parts/accessories for though - that would be the only winning argument in my book.
The CZ-75 has a thinner handgrip - the Beretta takes a large hand to be comfortable in.
I've got a 92FS Brigadier and have had absolutely NO issues with it - cannot jam it if i try.
But I'd also love to have a CZ-75 - and there was a time you could get a CZ-75 FAR FAR cheaper.
I'm not sure if that's the case anymore as people have realized the quality there and the price soon follows.
The Beretta is more common and easier to get parts/accessories for though - that would be the only winning argument in my book.
The CZ-75 has a thinner handgrip - the Beretta takes a large hand to be comfortable in.
Re: CZ 75 or 92FS
Trust me on this one - the CZ75B is just about the best thing in its price range; the SP01 phantom is great for a high capacity 9mm handgun. The 92FS has a similar balance - so I could understand why they "feel" about the same, but the 92FS is known for slide malfunctions among other things (can chew up that area on the side of your thumb too). The last CZ75B I bought was 3 years ago @ Academy Sporting goods - the price was $429. My phantom was just under $600.
Trust me on this one - the CZ75B is just about the best thing in its price range; the SP01 phantom is great for a high capacity 9mm handgun. The 92FS has a similar balance - so I could understand why they "feel" about the same, but the 92FS is known for slide malfunctions among other things (can chew up that area on the side of your thumb too). The last CZ75B I bought was 3 years ago @ Academy Sporting goods - the price was $429. My phantom was just under $600.
Re: CZ 75 or 92FS
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shankster</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Sig.</div></div>
....hater...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shankster</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Sig.</div></div>
....hater...
Re: CZ 75 or 92FS
Would you please define "tactical pistol" for me? I have visions of pistols with bayonets dancing in my head. I'm going to assume you are not looking for a service pistol but I would seriously consider a striker fired weapon.
Glock
S.A. XD
S&W M&P
Would you please define "tactical pistol" for me? I have visions of pistols with bayonets dancing in my head. I'm going to assume you are not looking for a service pistol but I would seriously consider a striker fired weapon.
Glock
S.A. XD
S&W M&P
Re: CZ 75 or 92FS
CZ is my choice. You can also get a Kadet 22 lr slide and practice with it. Great trainer, the compact is a good carry pistol. Can carry cocked and locked, or hammer at 1/2 cock and double action first shot. SP 01 is kinda heavy for a carry pistol, but can be customized to the hilt. Also available in 40 S&W.
CZ is my choice. You can also get a Kadet 22 lr slide and practice with it. Great trainer, the compact is a good carry pistol. Can carry cocked and locked, or hammer at 1/2 cock and double action first shot. SP 01 is kinda heavy for a carry pistol, but can be customized to the hilt. Also available in 40 S&W.
Re: CZ 75 or 92FS
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: UKDslayer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Trust me on this one - the CZ75B is just about the best thing in its price range; the SP01 phantom is great for a high capacity 9mm handgun. The 92FS has a similar balance - so I could understand why they "feel" about the same, but the 92FS is known for slide malfunctions among other things (can chew up that area on the side of your thumb too). The last CZ75B I bought was 3 years ago @ Academy Sporting goods - the price was $429. My phantom was just under $600. </div></div>
I don't want to bring up the old debate but this issue with the 9mm was fixed I thought?
It's a non issue on mine, the FS has a stainless slide and all the fixes to prevent that from happening...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: UKDslayer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Trust me on this one - the CZ75B is just about the best thing in its price range; the SP01 phantom is great for a high capacity 9mm handgun. The 92FS has a similar balance - so I could understand why they "feel" about the same, but the 92FS is known for slide malfunctions among other things (can chew up that area on the side of your thumb too). The last CZ75B I bought was 3 years ago @ Academy Sporting goods - the price was $429. My phantom was just under $600. </div></div>
I don't want to bring up the old debate but this issue with the 9mm was fixed I thought?
It's a non issue on mine, the FS has a stainless slide and all the fixes to prevent that from happening...
Re: CZ 75 or 92FS
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ArcticLight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I don't want to bring up the old debate but this issue with the 9mm was fixed I thought?
..</div></div>
You are correct to a degree- I did hear from the slide chewing up the thumb was fixed, but still more malfunctions than the CZ75B than 92FS.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ArcticLight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I don't want to bring up the old debate but this issue with the 9mm was fixed I thought?
..</div></div>
You are correct to a degree- I did hear from the slide chewing up the thumb was fixed, but still more malfunctions than the CZ75B than 92FS.
Re: CZ 75 or 92FS
IMO, the worst thing about the Beretta is the size, it's a big, thick handgun and more difficult than others to conceal, if that is a consideration. Both are quality pistols and either one should serve you well, probably the best thing to do would be to shoot and handle each one and choose whichever one you are more comfortable with.
IMO, the worst thing about the Beretta is the size, it's a big, thick handgun and more difficult than others to conceal, if that is a consideration. Both are quality pistols and either one should serve you well, probably the best thing to do would be to shoot and handle each one and choose whichever one you are more comfortable with.
Re: CZ 75 or 92FS
Go to a practical match and take count which of each you see shooters choosing to shoot "production" class with....
I hate slide mounted safeties-that is my biggest reason for not liking the Beretta. Having the front sight as an integral part of the slide not a dovetailed part is another.
Go to a practical match and take count which of each you see shooters choosing to shoot "production" class with....
I hate slide mounted safeties-that is my biggest reason for not liking the Beretta. Having the front sight as an integral part of the slide not a dovetailed part is another.
Re: CZ 75 or 92FS
Can't speak about the 92 but I have a CZ75 that I love. Never had any trouble with it. Shoots where I point it. You may also want to look at the CZ85, same as the 75 except ambidextrous controls.
Can't speak about the 92 but I have a CZ75 that I love. Never had any trouble with it. Shoots where I point it. You may also want to look at the CZ85, same as the 75 except ambidextrous controls.
Re: CZ 75 or 92FS
Ya IMHO size is the only real difference.
You can buy a 92 with a frame mounted safety - that was my first Beretta back in 86...
CZ-75 and/or Browning HighPower - both good slim 9mm's...slimmer than the 92.
Still love the reliability on my 92 tho.
Ya IMHO size is the only real difference.
You can buy a 92 with a frame mounted safety - that was my first Beretta back in 86...
CZ-75 and/or Browning HighPower - both good slim 9mm's...slimmer than the 92.
Still love the reliability on my 92 tho.
Re: CZ 75 or 92FS
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ArcticLight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
You can buy a 92 with a frame mounted safety - that was my first Beretta back in 86...
</div></div>
I did, but it said "Taurus" on the side
The 92's a solid pistol, just not my top pick in 9's. Who thought slide mounted safeties were a good idea anyway?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ArcticLight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
You can buy a 92 with a frame mounted safety - that was my first Beretta back in 86...
</div></div>
I did, but it said "Taurus" on the side
The 92's a solid pistol, just not my top pick in 9's. Who thought slide mounted safeties were a good idea anyway?
Re: CZ 75 or 92FS
Sobrbiker - you gotta look high and low for the Italian made 1980's vintage 92's - they "LOOK" Like the taurus but are 92's and are made in Italy, not USA....They are a SUPERB weapon and would snatch one up in a heartbeat if I saw one for sale..
Lot of them came with wood grips...
The Taurus is a damn good pistol too, I think they must have acquired the original rights/tooling on the original 92 series after Beretta started the 92F series...
I'm OK with the frame mounted safety or the slide safety - the hammer drop/rolling pin setup works well for me...
Sobrbiker - you gotta look high and low for the Italian made 1980's vintage 92's - they "LOOK" Like the taurus but are 92's and are made in Italy, not USA....They are a SUPERB weapon and would snatch one up in a heartbeat if I saw one for sale..
Lot of them came with wood grips...
The Taurus is a damn good pistol too, I think they must have acquired the original rights/tooling on the original 92 series after Beretta started the 92F series...
I'm OK with the frame mounted safety or the slide safety - the hammer drop/rolling pin setup works well for me...
Re: CZ 75 or 92FS
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BOLTRIPPER</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shankster</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Sig.</div></div>
....hater... </div></div>
LOL. yes I am. It takes one to know one Bolt. just sayin'
Cheers.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BOLTRIPPER</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shankster</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Sig.</div></div>
....hater... </div></div>
LOL. yes I am. It takes one to know one Bolt. just sayin'
Cheers.
Re: CZ 75 or 92FS
Beretta.
I own several of each.
I have run thousands of rounds through each. 9mm standard, +P, MOSTLY homeloads (milsurp powder, bullseye mostly with 115 gr FMJ).
A used to shoot a LOT with a good friend who shot a CZ-75. By a LOT I mean we'd meet once or twice a month at the range around 9 AM, I'd bring an ammo box with 1,000 rds of home loads and we'd shoot until empty, go to lunch around 2 PM. What he noticed was, on average, about every 1500 rds AND less, the slide release would break. At $35 and change PLUS $9 S&H FROM CZ-USA (there are NO after-market suppliers of this part), this got annoying, so he always kept a spare. He ran through three or four of these. NOT before I bought (three) CZs myself. The more I shot, the more I ran into the same problem.
Being a (less than) amateur gunsmith (mostly 1911 and S&W revolver tune-ups), knowing what I knew about 1911s, I decided to replace the recoil spring on my CZ after the first break and this is what I found out:
STOCK recoil springs on the CZ are 14 lbs. Wolff recommends 13 lbs or higher. The Wolff rep told me the CZ factory springs are really much lower than what they're rated, IIRC ( IF I RECALL CORRECTLY), he told me they were under 11 lbs. The Wolff spring was about 1/2" longer than the stock spring after 1,000 rounds. This is a HUGE difference. When I spoke with the factory rep from CZ-USA he was very matter-of-fact in stating the factory rating for the slide release is ONLY 1,000 rounds. Period. Do they recommend replacing the recoil spring? NO.
This is fucked up (pardon my germanic). TOTAL abgefickt.
I took notes, they're around somewhere, but the bottom line is: expect the slide release to break on the CZ on a regular basis. They're around $50 delivered. If you shoot over 1,000 rounds a year, you'll wish you bought a Beretta. OR install a stiffer spring (talk to the guys at Wolff) and keep your fingers crossed.
My take: CZ for IDPA? Either or. Take your chances. Carry gun? No fucking way. Beretta for either one.
But when I travel, I carry either a SIG P229 in 357 SIG or a Kimber CDP .45 acp. My life may depend on it, and they're smaller.
And there IS a CZ forum. There are several total CZ fanatics who will happily shit all over ANY post critical of CZs. But here's one thread from a few years back:
http://www.czforumsite.info/index.php?topic=18929.0;topicseen
here's the email chain from me and the factory 'smith:
Glad to be of service.
-----Original Message-----
From: norman balog [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 7:10 AM
To: Mike Eagleshield
Subject: Re: Broken slide stop
Thanks again, Mike. Part came yesterday, popped in no fitting required.
I'm looking forward to using it for the next 1,500 rounds - give or
take.
Norm
On Oct 17, 2008, at 10:06 AM, Mike Eagleshield wrote:
Factory 9mm recoil springs have been rated by Wolff at 14 lbs.
-----Original Message-----
From: norman balog [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Friday, October 17, 2008 8:27 AM
To: Mike Eagleshield
Subject: Re: Broken slide stop
Last but not least, what IS the factory-rated recoil spring weight?
Thanks in advance.
Norm
On Oct 16, 2008, at 3:42 PM, Mike Eagleshield wrote:
Answers:
1.We stock Wolff recoil springs in several weights (11, 14, 16 &
18lb).
2.The factory only rates the slide stop for 1,500 rds.
3.No need to send back the broken stop. Just give me your address
and I will
send out a replacement.
-----Original Message-----
From: norman balog [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 2:27 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Broken slide stop
This is unreal.
I've owned this "made in Czech Republic" pistol for several years
now; it's one of my favorite autos, I probably run 500-1000 rounds a year
through it. Mostly handloads - low pressure, 115gr FMJ around
1125fps, I'm NOT trying to make major, I just do some steel and
bowling pin shoots for fun, not competition.
Today the slide stop broke. Interesting. Friend I was shooting with
has replaced two of these pins over the years I've known him (you've
probably spoken to him, Bill Prudden), maybe 5,000 rounds tops.
I own Beretta's that have at least as many rounds through them, and
1911s with three times that many none of which has ever broken so
much as an extractor.
Thing is, I've been over on the CZ-forum checking around and this
seems to be a pretty common problem.
After speaking with Adam in your parts department a few minutes
ago, I have a few questions:
One - is there a stiffer recoil spring I should be using?
Two - how often should I expect these to break? This might prompt me
to sell my CZs.
Three - Does CZ do quality control on frequently broken parts like
these (metal looks like sintered steel, not tooled) and would you
want the pieces back?
You really ought to take a look at the posts on the CZ Forum
(yuku.com website). I'm sure this is just the tip of the iceberg.
Appreciate your time.
Dr. Norm Balog
Beretta.
I own several of each.
I have run thousands of rounds through each. 9mm standard, +P, MOSTLY homeloads (milsurp powder, bullseye mostly with 115 gr FMJ).
A used to shoot a LOT with a good friend who shot a CZ-75. By a LOT I mean we'd meet once or twice a month at the range around 9 AM, I'd bring an ammo box with 1,000 rds of home loads and we'd shoot until empty, go to lunch around 2 PM. What he noticed was, on average, about every 1500 rds AND less, the slide release would break. At $35 and change PLUS $9 S&H FROM CZ-USA (there are NO after-market suppliers of this part), this got annoying, so he always kept a spare. He ran through three or four of these. NOT before I bought (three) CZs myself. The more I shot, the more I ran into the same problem.
Being a (less than) amateur gunsmith (mostly 1911 and S&W revolver tune-ups), knowing what I knew about 1911s, I decided to replace the recoil spring on my CZ after the first break and this is what I found out:
STOCK recoil springs on the CZ are 14 lbs. Wolff recommends 13 lbs or higher. The Wolff rep told me the CZ factory springs are really much lower than what they're rated, IIRC ( IF I RECALL CORRECTLY), he told me they were under 11 lbs. The Wolff spring was about 1/2" longer than the stock spring after 1,000 rounds. This is a HUGE difference. When I spoke with the factory rep from CZ-USA he was very matter-of-fact in stating the factory rating for the slide release is ONLY 1,000 rounds. Period. Do they recommend replacing the recoil spring? NO.
This is fucked up (pardon my germanic). TOTAL abgefickt.
I took notes, they're around somewhere, but the bottom line is: expect the slide release to break on the CZ on a regular basis. They're around $50 delivered. If you shoot over 1,000 rounds a year, you'll wish you bought a Beretta. OR install a stiffer spring (talk to the guys at Wolff) and keep your fingers crossed.
My take: CZ for IDPA? Either or. Take your chances. Carry gun? No fucking way. Beretta for either one.
But when I travel, I carry either a SIG P229 in 357 SIG or a Kimber CDP .45 acp. My life may depend on it, and they're smaller.
And there IS a CZ forum. There are several total CZ fanatics who will happily shit all over ANY post critical of CZs. But here's one thread from a few years back:
http://www.czforumsite.info/index.php?topic=18929.0;topicseen
here's the email chain from me and the factory 'smith:
Glad to be of service.
-----Original Message-----
From: norman balog [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 7:10 AM
To: Mike Eagleshield
Subject: Re: Broken slide stop
Thanks again, Mike. Part came yesterday, popped in no fitting required.
I'm looking forward to using it for the next 1,500 rounds - give or
take.
Norm
On Oct 17, 2008, at 10:06 AM, Mike Eagleshield wrote:
Factory 9mm recoil springs have been rated by Wolff at 14 lbs.
-----Original Message-----
From: norman balog [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Friday, October 17, 2008 8:27 AM
To: Mike Eagleshield
Subject: Re: Broken slide stop
Last but not least, what IS the factory-rated recoil spring weight?
Thanks in advance.
Norm
On Oct 16, 2008, at 3:42 PM, Mike Eagleshield wrote:
Answers:
1.We stock Wolff recoil springs in several weights (11, 14, 16 &
18lb).
2.The factory only rates the slide stop for 1,500 rds.
3.No need to send back the broken stop. Just give me your address
and I will
send out a replacement.
-----Original Message-----
From: norman balog [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 2:27 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Broken slide stop
This is unreal.
I've owned this "made in Czech Republic" pistol for several years
now; it's one of my favorite autos, I probably run 500-1000 rounds a year
through it. Mostly handloads - low pressure, 115gr FMJ around
1125fps, I'm NOT trying to make major, I just do some steel and
bowling pin shoots for fun, not competition.
Today the slide stop broke. Interesting. Friend I was shooting with
has replaced two of these pins over the years I've known him (you've
probably spoken to him, Bill Prudden), maybe 5,000 rounds tops.
I own Beretta's that have at least as many rounds through them, and
1911s with three times that many none of which has ever broken so
much as an extractor.
Thing is, I've been over on the CZ-forum checking around and this
seems to be a pretty common problem.
After speaking with Adam in your parts department a few minutes
ago, I have a few questions:
One - is there a stiffer recoil spring I should be using?
Two - how often should I expect these to break? This might prompt me
to sell my CZs.
Three - Does CZ do quality control on frequently broken parts like
these (metal looks like sintered steel, not tooled) and would you
want the pieces back?
You really ought to take a look at the posts on the CZ Forum
(yuku.com website). I'm sure this is just the tip of the iceberg.
Appreciate your time.
Dr. Norm Balog
Re: CZ 75 or 92FS
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ArcticLight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Sobrbiker - you gotta look high and low for the Italian made 1980's vintage 92's - they "LOOK" Like the taurus but are 92's and are made in Italy, not USA....They are a SUPERB weapon and would snatch one up in a heartbeat if I saw one for sale..
Lot of them came with wood grips...
The Taurus is a damn good pistol too, I think they must have acquired the original rights/tooling on the original 92 series after Beretta started the 92F series...
I'm OK with the frame mounted safety or the slide safety - the hammer drop/rolling pin setup works well for me...
</div></div>
IIRC Brazil said that they'd buy Beretta's for their mil and LE, but only if they were made in Brazil-so Beretta tooled up down there and after those contracts were fulfilled sold the machinery. Guess who bought it.....Taurus. So the old PT92's are actually made on Beretta tooling.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ArcticLight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Sobrbiker - you gotta look high and low for the Italian made 1980's vintage 92's - they "LOOK" Like the taurus but are 92's and are made in Italy, not USA....They are a SUPERB weapon and would snatch one up in a heartbeat if I saw one for sale..
Lot of them came with wood grips...
The Taurus is a damn good pistol too, I think they must have acquired the original rights/tooling on the original 92 series after Beretta started the 92F series...
I'm OK with the frame mounted safety or the slide safety - the hammer drop/rolling pin setup works well for me...
</div></div>
IIRC Brazil said that they'd buy Beretta's for their mil and LE, but only if they were made in Brazil-so Beretta tooled up down there and after those contracts were fulfilled sold the machinery. Guess who bought it.....Taurus. So the old PT92's are actually made on Beretta tooling.
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