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anyone have any knowledge or experience with these? have looked everywhere,at every review and sales site. seems to be 1/7 barrel 8-16",5.56 chamber,short piston action. has been hard to get a firm take on twist rate and exactly which chamber it's cut for. just wanting to know if anyone has hands on impressions or experience.
 

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Friend has a BREN 2 Ms Carbine (16") in 5.56. Helped him paint it, so have seen the inside in detail, fired it quite a bit. Seems delightful, no reservations about it. I have too many projects (and they are hard to find in carbine form, a third friend got this on his travels when he ran across it) or I'd add one to my collection.

If there is some nuance I am missing, okay but the barrel is actually stamped 5.56 and they mostly make guns for the military so I assume that its a CIP spec chamber.
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thanks. expensive like KAC,larue etc. pistols are around but carbines uncommon FS. for some reason carbines are rather more expensive than the pistols. could convert pistol to rifle i guess but CZ parts are a crap shoot for availability i bet. anybody else?
 

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I have the 7.62x39 model, and I love it. I wasn't sure if I would like it, I've seen plenty of negative reviews (based on poor reliability and poor factory support), but the gun has completely exceeded my expectations.

The pistol versions are very light, the carbines have a heavier barrel profile.

My 7.62x39 is more accurate than I was expecting. I wanted a modern 7.62x39 that I could use to shoot cheap steel ammo and the gun has really impressed me.

Magazine avability and reliability are two problems you shouldn't have to worry about with the 5.56 model.

The 5.56 model didn't interest me as I already have AR15s, however, now that I've had experience with the bren 2... if I were looking for a lightweight carbine in 5.56, I'd probably pick one over another AR at this point (but I wouldn't be without an AR15 of some kind). It's just a really well thought out weapon. It's light, has ambi controls, has a really nice folding folding stock, the factory trigger is quite nice, as are the flip up sights.

My only complaints would be too heavy of a barrel on the carbine model, to short of a handguard on the pistol model.

Personally, I would buy the 14" pistol model, then buy the 922r kit and pin and weld the barrel to 16" inches. Then potentially buy a longer handguard if the factory HG is too short for you.

I think the 14" model with the factory stock (and flip up sights) should weight about 6.25 lbs, which is where I like my carbines to be.
 

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thanks. i have not found info on poor reliability. but,would like to look at that. poor factory support from czech rep. not a surprise unless the gun really takes off and acquires USA dealers that are responsive.
 

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The first generation guns had reliability issues, I *think* only/mostly in the semi-auto variant that we can have, not so much the issued one but those did get some updates as well so... maybe?

The 2 is a heavily updated gun, as far as I know there are no issues, but it is hard to tell as some circles paint all CZ BREN in the same brush. It is like trying to find the truth about reliability of the AR15 in the mid-80s when it was all the same VN-era stories over and over again.
 

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a very good analysis. guess i am looking on the bright side as i am impressed by what i have seen,want to get one (when i can aford it). i have learned that they are very differnt mod1 vs mod2. still keep my best regular ARs,but move 2 other good ones but not my favs.
 

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The problems seem to be with the x39... It's been a mess, too long of a story for me to chronical, the short story is... if you buy a x39, it's a gamble... CZ USA isn't able to actually fix should you have problems so they have been offering exchanges for 5.56 models or refunds. We aren't talking 1 malfunction every 1000 rounds either... People who have problems can't get through 1 mag with multiple malfunctions.

If you want to read about it... Spend some time on the bren 2 subreddit, czfirearms.us forums and the 80+ page thread on AR15.com. Lots of people are having the same problems with no support from CZ USA (other than an exchange for a 5.56 model or a refund). And unfortunately, these issues seems to be with current production guns. People keep buying 2021 production guns and they still have issues.

I love mine... And I'm sure in time, these guns will be "fixed", but right now, it's still a gamble with the x39 models. The 5.56 models seem to be okay.
 

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Quality carbines for $1500-2500 is just sorta the going rate. These are a /tidge/ above any other quality rifle. Sure they don't compete with domestic commodity ARs but these prices don't scare me at all compared to some other imports (SAN/SIG, B&T,...).

I like Thorbeast's info on them importing a 14" pistol. Too many rifle caliber pistols are 8 or 10" which is a slog to get rifle qualified, else it is gheyed up brace or NFA and I have enough papered guns. This is a bit enticing, will keep in mind if I find a good one when I have spare money.