DAMN YOU REMINGTON, and your innacurate rifles

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My stock 700 SPS T in .308

First time shooting groups at 300. I was gonna shoot 500 but my target got blown down before I got back to the line.

Thats right at a 1.4 edge to edge group so just over 1/3 MOA.

Remington seems to be taking a beating on here lately, think sometimes we forget that its more indian than arrow.

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Nice groups! I think it's just that Remington has been hit or miss recently. The hits seem to shoot like yours and the misses, well, they're pretty far off. Glad to see you got one that's lights out
 
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hahaha. I was wondering what in the heck your thread was about, but I love it.

My Remington 700 SPS is now a full custom rifle, but before all of that, it was a stock rifle that I put in an AICS stock...and my very first 5 shot group ever shot with the rifle measured .514" at 100yds. Needless to say, I was impressed.

Two of my friends went out and bought the same rifle as me, one of them kept it in the the factory stock, and another went the AICS route. The factory rifle shoots sub .75" groups and the AICS is right around .5" at 100 yards. I love Remington.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Snipedogg</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Nice groups! I think it's just that Remington has been hit or miss recently. The hits seem to shoot like yours and the misses, well, they're pretty far off. Glad to see you got one that's lights out </div></div>

I think I agree with this. As with most factory firearms, there are always a few lemons.
 
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Ive bought two Rem .308s in the last year (those damn "cheap" SPS's), both shot 1/2 MOA with handloads.

Ive owned a dozen, they all shot. Some better than others, but all were sub-MOA. Ive got a .22-250 SPS that has nothing but a basic trigger adjustment done to it that will shoot 1/2" at 300 yards if I do my part.

I think a lot of the bad rap is the guy pulling the trigger thinking he's better than he is.

I dont think their accuracy is "hit or miss", I DO think their attention to fit and finish has gone down the shitter. Ive got one with a big metal gall on the bolt where the bolt handle attaches. Doesn't effect function, but it sure is ugly. Seen more than a few come out of the box with scratches, dings, poor fitting wood stocks (butt plates), crappy bottom metal inlaying, etc etc. I haven't owned a wood stocked one in years, but apparently they went through a phase where they weren't sealing the wood in the action/barrel inlet....that just dont fly.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rrflyer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

think sometimes we forget that its more indian than arrow.


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If that notion was universally subscribed to the 'net wouldn't have hardly a thing to talk about.......
 
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I too loved the surprise of your threads content vs. Title!! I have quite a few Rem 700's in both LA & SA & I wouldn't part ways with a single one. Yes. All but one of them has been trued/BP'd with custom bbl/stock etc. I do have 1 though that is still virgin in that it has not been touched with a lathe & still wears the factory pipe @ 26" in 22-250REM.

This 22-250 put (5) 55gr Nosler BT's into .2" @ 100 yards on day one. It continues to shoot 1/4 MOA to this day & I dread the day when a new pipe is in order.

Everyone here knows that shit happens with mass produced firearms, particularly in the bbl department. When a Rem 700 or any other make for that matter just won't perform from the factory we are usually talking about a minute flaw in the chamber or rifling that's measurable in thousandths of an inch but is all it takes to shoot 3"+ groups @ 100. Hell, sometimes it is stress where the action & stock mate together or even a slight contact spot with the bbl & forearm channel meet. The examples go on & on & on.

I'm rambling, point is I think we can all agree that the Rem 700 is a hell of a stick for the price & shear volume they pump out. Oh but the J-slot bolt lock is a POS & I have deleted all from my collection & many a friends! !
 
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IMO, the stock on most remmys makes the biggest difference. The SPS for example has a horrible factory stock... but throw it into something aftermarket and your groups really tighten up. If you then true your action and maybe get a aftermarket barrel you can really get to $2000 accuracy, and thats paying maybe around $1000, depending on the stock you chose. Allways a nice choice, remington.
 
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+1 on bad stock designs.

My 700P has made ragged one hole groups at both 300 and 400 yards within the past 12 months if i do my part (with handloads).

I witnessed my mates rifle go from a 12"@100 yard scattergun, to a 1moa rifle @ 100, using average rounds all by simply going from the crappy plastic varmint stock, to a Kevlar HS stock with the right torque settings.

Im helping him with his load development and im certain we can get her to 1/2 MOA no problems.

rrflyer, nice shooting mate! Enjoy
 
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As much as I would love an expensive custom rifle, my remingtons with differernt stocks will both shoot 1/2MOA. It sure saves a lot of money and shoots very well. Threads like this are good for new shooters to see. Some people think that they have to spend big money on rifles to hit targets.

Very good shooting rrflyer!!
 
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Use the right ammo/loads, and all my Rem's have all been hits. My 5R in 308 shoots 0.375 with FGMM 168-gr SMK, and my 5R in 223 shoots 0.33 with BHA Match 77-gr SMK.
 
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Wait till you swap for a quality stock with proper bedding, lap the lugs, quality scope base and rings (I lapped my scope rings) then you really have a shooter. My SPS-T currently shoots .35 moa with handloads (shots done at benchrest) and its way more accurate than me. I still don't underestand why people spring thousands for a "custom" GAP 700 when they can get the same accuracy for less than $1k.
 
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Also, other than accurqcy, the finish was pretty crappy. I had to sand down the bolt body, feed lips, magazine edge to stop it from scratching up my brass. I also had to dremel the bolt lift arrea to smoothen it out. Overall the action was kinda rough and it took a few days worth of dry firing and working the bolt in my spare time to get it butter smooth which it is now.
 
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Still doing 1/2" at 100 with bone stock ADL varmint 308 from Dic_'s...and that's from a 13-25" Harris! Sure the x-mark is a little heavy and the barrel rests on those plastic supports at the foreend. Still shoots to beat hell. Crossing my fingers it holds with that as I get it chopped from 26 to 22...
 
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