Please elaborate... the future is now. LMAO
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Interested as well. Planning on ordering a pair of deviants in the next couple months.
Also interested! Looking to get a Defiance and proof barrel within the next two months.
Defiance has a vendor that they use for their nitriding. I can't recall who the vendor is, but they do good work and haven't seen any complaints or issues.
The fact that Defiance has a vendor picked out that they trust to send their actions to is good enough for me. My most recent Defiance was ordered with polished raceways and a DLC finish, which was done through Defiance and their approved vendor. Turned out awesome.
Defiance no longer offers DLC, just nitriding...that, as stated above is outsourced to a tried and true vendor. They used to offer DLC as well, but not sure when they stopped.
If you want to use DLC, they recommend (as do many others) Club Custom Guns....http://www.jabuie.com/ionbond.html
ZY
If you want to use DLC, they recommend (as do many others) Club Custom Guns....http://www.jabuie.com/ionbond.html
ZY
Yup chad is good to go
Interesting, did not know that they stopped providing DLC as an option.
Defiance does offer DLC as an option. Its just out sourced like the previous poster stated.
Interesting...Tuesday when I ordered an action, they told me they no longer do....
nice. thanks for sharing. Will definitely look into that for my next build.
Also noticed a few months back that the FAQ on their site was updated to state only nitride as an available coating option after it had previously said DLC as the recommended coating option. I didn't bother to ask since I was ordering a raw stainless action at the time. I wonder if they may have stopped offering it due to actions going back for coating issues. The last action that I got from Defiance with DLC had to go back due to contaminants causing the coating not to take in a few spots.
FAQs - Defiance Machine | Custom Bolt Rifle Actions
Dlc coating is close to 400 complete actionAlso noticed a few months back that the FAQ on their site was updated to state only nitride as an available coating option after it had previously said DLC as the recommended coating option. I didn't bother to ask since I was ordering a raw stainless action at the time. I wonder if they may have stopped offering it due to actions going back for coating issues. The last action that I got from Defiance with DLC had to go back due to contaminants causing the coating not to take in a few spots.
FAQs - Defiance Machine | Custom Bolt Rifle Actions
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Vs. Niride 120 +- not everyone buying the extra cost and people feel the price diff isn't worthed..ive seen dlc'd action in the market that wont move..
hoping this convence's impact and some others to drop a $100 off theirs
Yeshhh gonna do my first custom in Feb and was already eyeing the defiance + proof combo...
Hopefully a Cheytec repeater action w a option for a Lapua bolt face.
Sorry guys, for some reason I never received any notification for the thread, and I stepped away for the Holidays.
Yes, we offer nitriding, but it's done through an outside vendor, and it does increase the lead time.
At the moment we are no longer offering DLC. The lead time on the vendor we were using was simply taking far too long, and it created issues. We now recommend that if people want to have DLC done, they send it to the vendor after they've taken possession.
Yes, we offer nitriding, but it's done through an outside vendor, and it does increase the lead time.
At the moment we are no longer offering DLC. The lead time on the vendor we were using was simply taking far too long, and it created issues. We now recommend that if people want to have DLC done, they send it to the vendor after they've taken possession.
There was a brief issue with our vendor and a couple actions, that we immediately addressed once we were made aware.
Who is the vendor that does the DLC?
Good deal. All was good when I received the action back from being coated again.
‘As I mentioned in the PM, Defiance is at the top of the list and I’m going to need a long action with a magnum bolt.....and perhaps a spare?
My 2020 plans include building another, but lighter, 6.5PRC. The Rebel Sheep Port, GA Hunter, and Hunter are at the top of my list for an action to base this off. May have to rethink that with the intro of the Ruckus. I'm a little skeptical about the loading/ejection port configuration. It appears somewhat 'enclosed' which in my experience hinders top loading w/BDL style bottom metal. My current 6.5PRC was built on a competitor's action that is similar. While it was advertised as being suitable for use with BDL-style bottom metal or AICS bottom metal/mags, I found that loading the 6.5PRC cartridge was a real challenge when set up to use BDL bottom metal. The first round wasn't too dificult. Loading the 2nd and 3rd round was way more challenging. I ended up going to M5 DBM and AICS mags. I'll wait to see if the other configurations of the Ruckus offer a more open loading/ejection port and go from there before I pull the trigger on an action.
Ck into HS Precision Gen 2 unless your set on running a BDL floorplate.
HS weight w mag is .60lb i believe. Whats the BDL weight w spring and follower? I really never compared them.
Proof bbl and a CF stock are in the plans for the 2020 build. Probably not a Manners, unless I find one in-stock or in the classifieds. Not waiting til eternity for a Manners. Did it once - never again. I see where Proof is offering there stocks. IIRC, Stocky's is also handling them. May be worth looking into.
I lucked out last week. Found the stock i was looking for in Manner's store. Just have to ck everyday.
The ports on the Ruckus will be the same as the Deviant, and we will offer it in the same configurations as the Deviant Hunter, GA Hunter, etc (no Elite at this time). That said, you can also order the Ruckus in the XM length, and that will increase the port size slightly, and with a GA Hunter configuration you should have no issues loading a BDL setup. Plus, with the XM you can load up to 3.2-3.25 COAL dependent on the mag you use, which is better for loading the longer pills and maximizing the 6.5 PRC.
Will the the Ruckus be available, or can it be ordered with the Wyatt's cut? I'm not 100% up to speed on the XM action. I understand that it allows for a longer COAL, but am confused/uninformed as to the stock inlet requirements,, i.e. will it fit in a 700 SA inletted stock?
As BCX stated, the XM is not the same as the SA, and you'll need a stock/chassis specifically inlet for the XM.
And for this reason, I'd opt for an action with the Wyatt's cut that'd fit in one of my existing SA stocks.
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Do the new Ruckus and Tenacity (2.0) share the same dimensions regarding headspace?
Basically, will a Ruckus prefit barrel work with a Tenacity (2.0) action?
Do the new Ruckus and Tenacity (2.0) share the same dimensions regarding headspace?
Basically, will a Ruckus prefit barrel work with a Tenacity (2.0) action?
Yes, the headspace should be almost identical; HOWEVER, we still highly recommend if you choose to use pre-fit barrels, especially one designed originally for another, you should only do so if final fit up is done by a reputable gunsmith to insure proper headspace and fit.
So does the Ruckus and Tenacity have the cone bolt and blade ejector?
As we stated earlier in the description, and on the website, at the moment the Ruckus is not available with a 3-position safety or the controlled round feature with either a claw extractor or a blade ejector. The new Tenacity does not have a cone bolt face or CRF feature either, and before it gets brought up again, yes, we are aware that the picture used for the release had a barrel in it with a cone breach. The person who took the photo did it next to a barrel that was being prepped for a BadRock action, and in our excitement to do the product release we failed to catch it.
I had a rifle built last year (2018) on a Kelbly Atlas and just got a Rifle built on a defiance Deviant Tac this past summer. Defiance is smoother and more accurate by far. Both rifles are 300wm and were chambered with the same reamer by the same smith. Kelbly has a bartlien barrel, defiance has a proof cf. I would’ve said defiance is worth the extra coin, but now with the tenacity out it’s not even a choice for me.
We are all human, I knew that the claw extractor and three position safety is not available on these two actions. And the cone nose was not mentioned, or I didn't see it, so I was HOPING the blade ejector and the cone nose might be available. Reason being the Elite is only available in SA with 308 bolt face. The others have the extra bolt sizes and action lengths available. I have the XM, Deviant Hunter, with the three position safety and claw extractor. No extra bolt available on that one. Not together yet but it is the absolute best piece of work I have ever put my hands on. Will probably end up with the Elite SA unless I can convince someone to build the XM length.
We have a few things in the pipeline. We also brought in another machine just for doing design development without having to cut into production time. I can't give you any kind of ETA or timeline, but we are listening and working on it.
Can second this. My tempest is THE smoothest action that i have ever felt and i'm attributing it a lot to Chad polishing the raceways and then DLCing it. He's about as good as it gets for DLC.
@Defiance Machine What does the Ruckus GA Hunter entail? Integral rail that isn't connecting to save a little weight?
Look what showed up today! Thanks @Defiance Machine and @ALTUSSHOOTING for getting this all lined up! 
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Im actually super excited about the anTi as well I think it's going to corner the market on lightweight hunting rigs. Why pay nearly double for Titanium when it's the nearly the same weight at half the cost? I know i'm trying to find ways to get one in GAP hunter config for a 300 PRC.
