Do you support Removing Christmas as a National Holiday????

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Do you say Merry Christmas or the brain washed Happy Hollidays?

Great video and it gave me a different way to articulate why saying Merry Christmas is correct.

Christmas is a national holiday - just as the 4th of July and Washington’s Birthday!!!!!






Now when anyone says Happy Holidays, I can correct them- no the Holidays are not a National Holiday- Christmas is a National Holiday
We are off of work
The Governement is closed
Christmas, just like Labor Day, Memorial Day and the 4th of July are National Holidays.

Watch the video and let me know if you agree. is Christmas the next National Holiday to be Killed off???
 
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I don't care. Happy holidays wraps up 3 in 1. Sometimes I say Happy Christmas. Or whatever. I try not to get hung up on little shit anymore. What I don't like is the over-commercialization of any holiday. They become less and less about family every year and more and more about buying shit. Not really having a family anymore it doesn't have much meaning now, and I liked to make up my own holidays and those meant more.

If you really wanna do up Christmas, go to N. Europe. They take Christmas serious. It fucking LOOKS like Christmas there. Amazing. Amsterdam isn't a bad place to go during Christmas time, it's where I went (no tourists, very laid back). I don't think they get hung up on the shit Americans do despite there being a large agnostic and atheist population along with non-Christians.
 
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Say whatever you choose to say and shame anyone that takes offense for being greeted, make them feel as small and petty as they truly are.....yet realize what they are doing is not petty, its an attack on probably the first freedom of the country - Freedom of Religion.

Someone wishes me a Happy Rammadan the only thing I will say is thank you.
 
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As to the OP's question. My beliefs are mostly Agnostic (if you can't tell). So Christ has little if anything to do with it for me.
I try and find my own meaning of things. The reason Atheists suck is because they can not go about their lives and shut up. They have to attack anything that does not represent their beliefs. Sound Islamic/Muslim to you? Why does everyone hate when the Jehovah's witness knock on their door? Because people need to figure it out for themselves.
In SLC right across the street from the Mormon Temple there is a guy who stands just outside the gate and shouts at anyone who enters the Temple grounds that they are sinners and are going to hell. Sorry but I have a hard time believing God is proud of that guy.

The point to that rant is I support what Christmas stands for, and opposes those that would take it away just because they see the joy it brings people not of their belief.

For me Christmas is an end of year Celebration. More of a thanksgiving. I do say a little prayer of thanks for everything I have. Whether good or bad the only true way to show people appreciation is either giving time or money. So I give people in my life very generous gifts at Christmas to say thanks and I appreciate everything you have done for me.

I probably went off into left field, but oh well.
 
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This, as subject material, is sort of edgy. The end of the year is highly commercial, and I find the shadow of Mammon darkening whatever cheerful glow that might otherwise emanate from sentiments of the season, no matter their source.

I'm also in agreement, from an unusual perspective, with the idea that the reason for the season for the majority of you, the, um, Nazarene-centric, shall we say, should be that six-letter word beginning with c. As incomprehensible as it might sound, while I encourage decency and kind acts, I cleave to the school of thought that we can and should slop from our own spiritual troughs. I'm not offended by the idea that people go their own way. I just find it strange, almost to the point of offensive arrogance, that others insist on roping us into this red and green Borg Collective and over-stamping our blatantly obvious non-membership therein with polar elf, mangy reindeer, peppermint candy cane, and sugar-cookie cultural tropes designed to fatten bottom lines on P&L statements, rather than improving the human condition. Moreover, it cheapens any association between the holiday and concepts for some of divine personages so associated.

If I'm aware of your particular proclivities, I recognize them, and say "have a great *********." If not, "have a great holiday" suffices. I'd rather not buy into the juggernaut of guilt that is seasonal gift-giving, and instead concentrate on the idea of being surrounded by friends and family at a mutually convenient time of year.

So, as we enter this four-week frenzy, I bid you moments of peace and serenity, and the happiest hibernal event or series of events possible.
 
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While we may not share the same beliefs, I respect your position. Because you're not trying to shove it down my throat like a true believer atheist would.

I had a neighbor that was atheist to a fault and would fail on about how evil Christmas was. I told him that if he was so against it, prove it by showing up to work on Dec. 25th. He shut up. Same with taxes... that evil GWB cut taxes and all the children are going to starve and die. I told him, "you know, there's nothing stopping you from writing a check to the IRS right now and paying more taxes. And while you're at it, send some extra in for me because I like the tax cut". He never did write that check.
 
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Those who won't say "merry Christmas" should report to work as normal as apparently, there is nothing left for them to celebrate. If Christmas won't be acknowledged, those who refuse to acknowledge it should not take a day off.

The extraordinary effort that retailers put into attempts to convince us that if we don't "buy, buy, buy" for the "holidays" (note that I didn't use the term Christmas") we are really crappy people. It has become all about buying, and little else. The sales pitches didn't used to start until after Thanksgiving, but lately, they start up just after Halloween. The Retailers make the whole season about buying and giving gifts, rather than about anything having to do with religious celebrations, be those Christmas, or Hannukkah.

Or just have retailers be honest enough to say "While we don't want to acknowledge your religious holidays, we sure want your money, so buy, buy, buy!"
 
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Fresh out of the hills I take a job at a company in Atlanta. Black lady office manager is explaining office rules, etc to me. When telling me about holidays, she says MLK day is optional and you can take a day for Hanuka, but you can't take both. I start laughing. She didn't see the humor in it.
 
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MtnCreek said:
Fresh out of the hills I take a job at a company in Atlanta. Black lady office manager is explaining office rules, etc to me. When telling me about holidays, she says MLK day is optional and you can take a day for Hanuka, but you can't take both. I start laughing. She didn't see the humor in it.
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You can clearly see who is actually the Intolerant hateful ones by who gets all mad and upset when they see "traditional" Christmas decorations or get told Merry Christmas. They are the actual hate filled ones, including those that like to go on a rampage against any "traditional" style Christmas decorations done by a city or other entity.

I'm good with most other religion's holidays, decorations & statues and greetings. But it seems certain groups have an unbridled hatred for anything Christian (but in the same breath would be fine with Muslim stuff or anybody else).

For me, the more holidays the better. I like saying Merry Christmas and proud to openly tell others what the meaning of the holiday is.
Now if some other religion wants to have their holiday as well, I'm all for the more holidays the better and am happy to be greeted by them in their own ways and am more than happy to have extra food & time off & presents. As long as they don't actually try to force me to join any religious ceremonies specifically contradicting my own.
 
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Jefe's Dope said:
Get's offended when you say Merry Christmas. Still happy to accept your Christmas present. ?
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See, there's something wrong with assuming that anything given beyond Thanksgiving and before NYE is automatically just that. I wouldn't take the sacrament of communion, which commemorates what is seen as an ultimate gift, and in the same vein, it wouldn't be right to accept something if it were given in the name of someone to whom I don't subscribe. We exchange gifts, greetings, and pleasantries at the end of the year, chez Veer, but we do so knowing that we are not on the same page, and that these are tokens of familial love and respect. It would be an offense on several levels to do otherwise. Quoting Martin Luther, "... to act against our conscience is neither safe for us, nor open to us. On this I take my stand. I can do no other. God help me."
 
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Veer_G said:
and in the same vein, it wouldn't be right to accept something if it were given in the name of someone to whom I don't subscribe. We exchange gifts, greetings, and pleasantries at the end of the year, chez Veer, but we do so knowing that we are not on the same page, and that these are tokens of familial love and respect. It would be an offense on several levels to do otherwise. "
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I'm glad I don't have to be limited like that. For me it would really suck if I couldn't give & receive gifts from other faiths & enjoy certain celebrations with them & have fun at their respective holiday meals and such. I can give and receive gifts as part of the whole goodwill toward other creatures without having to worry.


Veer_G said:
I wouldn't take the sacrament of communion, which commemorates what is seen as an ultimate gift,"
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I think that's probably not the best example here. Participating in Communion is a specific unmistakable religious act that is not associated with other holidays.

It's like the difference between I can go hang out with some Muslim friends to celebrate the end of Ramadan or EID and such, and can have fun eating & passing gifts around and all that good stuff. (I understand you probably can't)

Now getting together with them and reciting the Muslim conversion creed is a different matter all together
 
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Veer_G said:
See, there's something wrong with assuming that anything given beyond Thanksgiving and before NYE is automatically just that. I wouldn't take the sacrament of communion, which commemorates what is seen as an ultimate gift, and in the same vein, it wouldn't be right to accept something if it were given in the name of someone to whom I don't subscribe. We exchange gifts, greetings, and pleasantries at the end of the year, chez Veer, but we do so knowing that we are not on the same page, and that these are tokens of familial love and respect. It would be an offense on several levels to do otherwise. Quoting Martin Luther, "... to act against our conscience is neither safe for us, nor open to us. On this I take my stand. I can do no other. God help me."
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W54/XM-388 said:
I'm glad I don't have to be limited like that. For me it would really suck if I couldn't give & receive gifts from other faiths & enjoy certain celebrations with them & have fun at their respective holiday meals and such. I can give and receive gifts as part of the whole goodwill toward other creatures without having to worry.
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Reading is fundamental. I've already said that we break bread and exchange gifts without an underlying understanding of any mutual religious experience:

We exchange gifts, greetings, and pleasantries at the end of the year, chez Veer, but we do so knowing that we are not on the same page ...
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What of that wasn't obvious?
 
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W54/XM-388 said:
I'm glad I don't have to be limited like that. For me it would really suck if I couldn't give & receive gifts from other faiths & enjoy certain celebrations with them & have fun at their respective holiday meals and such. I can give and receive gifts as part of the whole goodwill toward other creatures without having to worry.




I think that's probably not the best example here. Participating in Communion is a specific unmistakable religious act that is not associated with other holidays.

It's like the difference between I can go hang out with some Muslim friends to celebrate the end of Ramadan or EID and such, and can have fun eating & passing gifts around and all that good stuff. (I understand you probably can't)

Now getting together with them and reciting the Muslim conversion creed is a different matter all together
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Ramadan , man I fukin love those noodles . The chicken flavor not the beef .
 
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For me/us here, Christmas is not about what one 'buys'.... at all. It IS about who one is, and what one does....

There are many to which we 'make' for, as funds have long been an issue. Moreso this past year, but the care and sentiment is DEFINITELY still there. We're working through it.
 
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Veer_G said:
This, as subject material, is sort of edgy. The end of the year is highly commercial, and I find the shadow of Mammon darkening whatever cheerful glow that might otherwise emanate from sentiments of the season, no matter their source.

I'm also in agreement, from an unusual perspective, with the idea that the reason for the season for the majority of you, the, um, Nazarene-centric, shall we say, should be that six-letter word beginning with c. As incomprehensible as it might sound, while I encourage decency and kind acts, I cleave to the school of thought that we can and should slop from our own spiritual troughs. I'm not offended by the idea that people go their own way. I just find it strange, almost to the point of offensive arrogance, that others insist on roping us into this red and green Borg Collective and over-stamping our blatantly obvious non-membership therein with polar elf, mangy reindeer, peppermint candy cane, and sugar-cookie cultural tropes designed to fatten bottom lines on P&L statements, rather than improving the human condition. Moreover, it cheapens any association between the holiday and concepts for some of divine personages so associated.

If I'm aware of your particular proclivities, I recognize them, and say "have a great *********." If not, "have a great holiday" suffices. I'd rather not buy into the juggernaut of guilt that is seasonal gift-giving, and instead concentrate on the idea of being surrounded by friends and family at a mutually convenient time of year.

So, as we enter this four-week frenzy, I bid you moments of peace and serenity, and the happiest hibernal event or series of events possible.
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Merry Christmas to you too, bud
 
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By the portrayal of the news articles you would think we've only gotten folks of different religions/cultures in the last few decades.
I wonder how they trudged through the oppression of Christmas before these folks took up their crusade.
A large oversight I'm sure.
I'd suggest what I do during other religious celebrations, carry on...
Don't remember much indignation during Ramadan/Hanukkah on the news.

R
 
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Veer_G said:
See, there's something wrong with assuming that anything given beyond Thanksgiving and before NYE is automatically just that. I wouldn't take the sacrament of communion, which commemorates what is seen as an ultimate gift, and in the same vein, it wouldn't be right to accept something if it were given in the name of someone to whom I don't subscribe. We exchange gifts, greetings, and pleasantries at the end of the year, chez Veer, but we do so knowing that we are not on the same page, and that these are tokens of familial love and respect. It would be an offense on several levels to do otherwise. Quoting Martin Luther, "... to act against our conscience is neither safe for us, nor open to us. On this I take my stand. I can do no other. God help me."
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You're reading too much in my statement. I was referring to my son who chooses atheism but is more than happy to ask for and receive Christmas gifts. Christian when it suits his needs. :)
 
#41
A couple of items:

When someone wishes me "happy holidays", I politely inquire "to which holidays are you referring?" Independence Day, veterans day, Labor Day, Easter, Yom Kippur, Ramadan, there are many choices. As they fumble around I will wish them a Merry Christmas.

Wife and I were discussing the whole gift giving issue that appears so central in December. We thought it odd that there is one primary time of year when we are to express our "love" for each other by giving gifts. We thought this was silly, that we should be able to show our love for each other, and anyone else we feel that strongly about, that we could give them a gift any time of year...not just when retailers need us to spend money to boost their year end profits.

So, we quit gift giving in December, but we do pay attention the rest of the year. If I find there is an item that my wife really wants, I am free to get that item for her regardless of the time of year.

However, we specifically agreed that we will not do gifts or exchange cards on Christmas, valentines, birthdays, or even our anniversary. It is our belief that we should remember to express our love for each other all year 'round, and not just when the retailers tell us we have to buy something lest we be branded crappy people. It has worked out marvelously for us, and dramatically reduced the stress of having to go out and try and find some gift simply because of a day on the calendar.

OTOH, when I know there is something she needs or wants, it is really easy to get the right thing, because by paying attention, I know I will be getting the right thing.
 
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Veer_G said:
This, as subject material, is sort of edgy. The end of the year is highly commercial, and I find the shadow of Mammon darkening whatever cheerful glow that might otherwise emanate from sentiments of the season, no matter their source.

I'm also in agreement, from an unusual perspective, with the idea that the reason for the season for the majority of you, the, um, Nazarene-centric, shall we say, should be that six-letter word beginning with c. As incomprehensible as it might sound, while I encourage decency and kind acts, I cleave to the school of thought that we can and should slop from our own spiritual troughs. I'm not offended by the idea that people go their own way. I just find it strange, almost to the point of offensive arrogance, that others insist on roping us into this red and green Borg Collective and over-stamping our blatantly obvious non-membership therein with polar elf, mangy reindeer, peppermint candy cane, and sugar-cookie cultural tropes designed to fatten bottom lines on P&L statements, rather than improving the human condition. Moreover, it cheapens any association between the holiday and concepts for some of divine personages so associated.

If I'm aware of your particular proclivities, I recognize them, and say "have a great *********." If not, "have a great holiday" suffices. I'd rather not buy into the juggernaut of guilt that is seasonal gift-giving, and instead concentrate on the idea of being surrounded by friends and family at a mutually convenient time of year.

So, as we enter this four-week frenzy, I bid you moments of peace and serenity, and the happiest hibernal event or series of events possible.
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Just dropped in to check messages and saw this post. Though I be Nazerene centric, I detest the whole 'Mamon' thing and agree 100% that what happens is a disgrace to the true message. May your days be filled with joy.
 
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hermosabeach said:
Do you say Merry Christmas or the brain washed Happy Hollidays?

Great video and it gave me a different way to articulate why saying Merry Christmas is correct.

Christmas is a national holiday - just as the 4th of July and Washington’s Birthday!!!!!






Now when anyone says Happy Holidays, I can correct them- no the Holidays are not a National Holiday- Christmas is a National Holiday
We are off of work
The Governement is closed
Christmas, just like Labor Day, Memorial Day and the 4th of July are National Holidays.

Watch the video and let me know if you agree. is Christmas the next National Holiday to be Killed off???
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IF YOU THINK THAT IT IS F'N NUTS TO EVEN DEBATE THIS; THEN CHECK OUT THIS F'N-TARD!!!!!


I AM SORRY CRAZY NEEDS A DEEP HOLE..
 
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Veer_G said:
If you're eating the eggnog, you probably should have taken a peek at its best by date. Watch your teeth.
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Some alcohols can curdle it a little bit, Jack doesn't seem to. Makes it kind of foamy, though. I always get way too drunk with it and need to recover. I don't know what it is about it, makes me pull out all the stops.

Somewhat related, The Eggnog Riot of 1826 at Westpoint:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eggnog_Riot
 
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Cheyenne Bodie said:
Some alcohols can curdle it a little bit, Jack doesn't seem to. Makes it kind of foamy, though. I always get way too drunk with it and need to recover. I don't know what it is about it, makes me pull out all the stops.
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So do you drunkenly buy rifle parts and induce others to follow your lead like some people I know around here? :ROFLMAO:
 
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