Does anyone stand with Berger?

[JR1200W3]

99% of the people in this thread couldn't even dream of shooting the difference in bullet weight variation.... I'll show myself out

Nah, I'll disagree with this and the following post talking about BC drag.

When you shoot a gun using a load or bullet it doesn't like and then shoot a load or bullet it does like, you can shoot the difference. And that's the point. There are clearly bullet designs that are etched into hall of fame. Bullets that are easy to tune in any rifle. Bullets that ammo manufacturers choose for those "universal loads". The Federal GMM 77gr, MK262 type bullets, the 108 BTs, the 139gr Scenars. And then there's the bullets that are polarizing. They work for some people but don't work for others. The super pointy 95gr SMKs, 183's, etc. And then there's the bullets where you open the box and the plastic tips that are supposed to be in the bullet are floating around free from the bullet itself. The unannounced shape redesigns. The bullets that almost shoot fucking great but just have those GD fliers that keep showing up eventually. That justify the 30rd sample size argument.

You can shoot the difference between consistently accurate bullets and bullets that shoot well in one lot but don't in another lot, that change shape in new lots, that allow their plastic tips to fall out.

 

[Ledzep]

You come in here with actual data and burst bubbles?

What the hell is wrong with you, man?

It's actually pretty cool in my book. Berger pretty consistently holds awesome weight variation and they make great bullets. I'm not arguing that at all. But I see this come up a few times a year where people dismiss a bullet because they weigh 0.4gr variation or whatever, and it's like dude, shoot them and see how it performs first before you write it off... By and large, dispersion is the biggest contributor to hit probability... weight variation at <1% total weight is down the list behind average drag, MV, MV variation, drag/bc variation..... It's easy to measure but that doesn't mean it's an important selection criteria.

 

[Thump_rrr]

When I started shooting 500M+ about 15 years ago I was shooting .308 175 SMK’s at 2625FPS out of a 1-10”twist Savage 10BA. I was able to get 0.5-0.6 MOA without too much effort.
This was enough to keep me inside the V-Bull of a figure 11 target so I didn’t really look for anything else. At the time the cost of these bullets was $225/500 ($0.45 ea.)Canadian. They now cost $424/500 ($0.85 ea.)
185 gr Juggernaut’s when available are now selling for $122/100 ($1.22 ea.) I cannot see the difference on paper so I cannot justify the difference in price especially with the availability being spotty.

In 6.5 I am paying $625 Canadian for 1,000 139gr Lapua Scenars ($0.625 ea.) while Berger 140gr Hybrid Targets are now selling for $114/100 ($1.14 ea.) up from $104.99 2 weeks ago nearly double the cost of Lapua.

I will be shooting 1,000Y in the next few weeks and I am bringing along Lapua 139gr Scenar, Berger 140gr Hybrid Targets, Hornady 147ELD-M and possibly 140ELD-M for testing.
With threats of 30% tariffs looming I may switch entirety to Lapua bullets and Vihtavuori powders.

If I was shooting several hundred rounds a year I wouldn’t really be too concerned but at nearly 2,000 rounds a year the difference in price between Lapua and Berger will pay for the cost of the barrel.

 

[Maurygold]

It's actually pretty cool in my book. Berger pretty consistently holds awesome weight variation and they make great bullets. I'm not arguing that at all. But I see this come up a few times a year where people dismiss a bullet because they weigh 0.4gr variation or whatever, and it's like dude, shoot them and see how it performs first before you write it off... By and large, dispersion is the biggest contributor to hit probability... weight variation at <1% total weight is down the list behind average drag, MV, MV variation, drag/bc variation..... It's easy to measure but that doesn't mean it's an important selection criteria.

Plastic tips being non uniform or exploding in flight is a solely hornady characteristic. Stack that with the weight variation and they are low on the list of bullets I want to shoot. I also don’t think .4 gn is a realistic number for variation in a hornady bullet lot. I think this is a gratuitous take on hornady.

I suspect you’re a very talented bullet designer but the manufacturing is the issue I take with hornady

 

[Mean_Man]

Infinition Doppler radar head over the last 6 years of being an engineer in the bullet plant at Hornady.

Thank you