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Don't Point your weapon at me

RayDog

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Coming home from a mountain bike ride today I saw some National Guard guys doing some training in the parking lot of the CSU football stadium. They were about 25 yards off the road running some kind of two man team drill. They were running with 20" M16s in their hands. Got to a position with some rucks set up jumped over them and pointed their weapons right at the road that myself and many others were driving on. There was no SAFE direction where they were doing this drill. I could see that there were no mags in the weapons but I was still pissed. I don't know what the fuck they were thinking.
I was so mad I had to keep going cause if I stopped no good was going to come of it.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tucker301</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Call the governor. </div></div>

+100!
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mosdet</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It's even worse when your at the range and get "swept" by some idiot. Then they look at you like your the idiot. </div></div>

Not true. At the range just about any yahoo can come shoot a firearm. We're paying tax dollars for the National guard to wield firearms professionally and should therefore have a much higher level of expectation for a return on our investment.
 
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LOL.

Just remember the National Guard atleast in PA has the same jobs and the AD Army. Snipers,Rangers,Sappers, the only thing missing is SF.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RayDog</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Coming home from a mountain bike ride today I saw some National Guard guys doing some training in the parking lot of the CSU football stadium. They were about 25 yards off the road running some kind of two man team drill. They were running with 20" M16s in their hands. Got to a position with some rucks set up jumped over them and pointed their weapons right at the road that myself and many others were driving on. There was no SAFE direction where they were doing this drill. I could see that there were no mags in the weapons but I was still pissed. I don't know what the fuck they were thinking.
I was so mad I had to keep going cause if I stopped no good was going to come of it.</div></div>

Are you sure it wasnt ROTC?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 270remshureshot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">LOL.

Just remember the National Guard atleast in PA has the same jobs and the AD Army. Snipers,Rangers,Sappers, the only thing missing is SF.</div></div>

I take it your in the PA National Guard?
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 270remshureshot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">LOL.

Just remember the National Guard atleast in PA has the same jobs and the AD Army. Snipers,Rangers,Sappers, the only thing missing is SF. </div></div>

20th Special forces?
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 270remshureshot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">LOL.

Just remember the National Guard atleast in PA has the same jobs and the AD Army. Snipers,Rangers,Sappers, the only thing missing is SF. </div></div>

There's 2 states with SF units from what I remember, Montana and Florida.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RayDog</div><div class="ubbcode-body">...I could see that there were no mags in the weapons but I was still <span style="font-weight: bold">pissed</span>... I was so <span style="font-weight: bold">mad</span> I had to keep going cause if I stopped no good was going to come of it. </div></div>

Really?... Really?
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: crumpmd</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 270remshureshot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">LOL.

Just remember the National Guard atleast in PA has the same jobs and the AD Army. Snipers,Rangers,Sappers, the only thing missing is SF. </div></div>

20th Special forces? </div></div>

Nah. They're in AL: http://www.alguard.state.al.us/20thsfg.htm

Seriously, the Guard in PA <span style="font-style: italic">is</span> the 28th ID(M), and it includes a Stryker Brigade and all the ancillary units necessary to go into the field all on its own, with Warthog air support, in-flight refueling, and airborne broadcasting psy-ops included.

Hell, we even got the "Main Line Mummers," a cavalry scout unit (Troop A, 1st Squadron, 104th Cavalry "Over under or through") made up of blue-bloods whose lineage goes all the way back to the Revolutionary War and included being Washington's personal guard command:

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http://www.firsttroop.com/index.html#
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Troop_Philadelphia_City_Cavalry
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Army Eric</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 270remshureshot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">LOL.

Just remember the National Guard atleast in PA has the same jobs and the AD Army. Snipers,Rangers,Sappers, the only thing missing is SF. </div></div>

There's 2 states with SF units from what I remember, Montana and Florida.

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How about Utah, Ohio, Rhode Island, Colorado, Texas, West Virginia, California,
Alabama, Mississippi, Florida, North Carolina, Chicago, Illinois, Louisville, Kentucky, Maryland and PENNSYLVANIA. Many of these locations are just detachments.
Never heard of anything in Montana

20th and 19th group
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Army Eric</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 270remshureshot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">LOL.

Just remember the National Guard atleast in PA has the same jobs and the AD Army. Snipers,Rangers,Sappers, the only thing missing is SF. </div></div>

There's 2 states with SF units from what I remember, Montana and Florida.

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Those are the HQ for 19th and 20th I believe (deff 20th- florida). They have companies in various states- Illinois and indiana included.

However, Rangers would only be partially correct- there are Ranger qualified soldiers in the national guard, but since there are not anymore Ranger UNITS, there are no current Ranger's

Blanket statements ripping on the national guard or reserves show a severe lack of intelligence. I've seen quiet a few poor performing active duty units. I've been both- on my last tour the numbers for my company (ONE company) were three times the numbers for the entire battalion of the 82nd doing basically our same mission that co-habbited our FOB. Not to mention the fact that we had twice the number of school qualifications (excluding airborne- for which we were beat simply due to unit size).

Anyway, to the OP, it sounds to me like they might have been ROTC. And during training, weapons are routinely pointed at other soldiers, civilians and bystanders. It's called scenario training or force-on-force training. Assuming proper safety procedures have been followed, it shouldn't infuriate you.

However, I question the choice of location- not due to safety, but due to impression and appropriateness. In an area where there isn't a "normal" military presence, training should not be conducted in a way to unnecessarily draw attention. In other words, you shouldn't be doing weapons training, practicing battle drills with weapons or anything of that sort. When people are not used to seeing men in uniform running around with guns on campus, you should try to avoid doing exactly that. IF POSSIBLE- understand, sometimes the options are limited.


EDIT: Figured I should add that until the mid-80's the national guard also did in-fact have Ranger companies- these companies have either since cased their colors or changed missions to Long Range Surveillance.

It's ironic when an active duty soldier makes comments about the reserve components- totally ignoring the fact that to date they have contributed about 35-40% of the troops deployed in OIF and OEF. In other words- the mission would have either been impossible to complete without these troops, or you'd have been in the box indefinitely. Instead of running around, boasting your inflated ego and bloated self worth, be thankful there are people willing to totally disrupt and set aside their normal lives to do the same job you do, and take some of the burden off the shoulders of the active component. I had those same ignorant views when I was young, dumb and Active Duty.
 
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would you rather them not train at all except when they can reserve a range on a cold status(rarely ever for a unit like that) just so they can do dry drills and not scare some guy with an empty rifle? Maybe that would be better use of the tax money.

Big deal, I say. We run dry drills with real weapons all over the place. Granted you dont just aim at cars, but we do aim the rifles all over the place like you would in combat.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RayDog</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Coming home from a mountain bike ride today I saw some National Guard guys doing some training in the parking lot of the CSU football stadium. They were about 25 yards off the road running some kind of two man team drill. They were running with 20" M16s in their hands. Got to a position with some rucks set up jumped over them and pointed their weapons right at the road that myself and many others were driving on. There was no SAFE direction where they were doing this drill. I could see that there were no mags in the weapons but I was still pissed. I don't know what the fuck they were thinking.
I was so mad I had to keep going cause if I stopped no good was going to come of it. </div></div>

Maybe instead of bitching about soldiers trying to train in an area where they obviously don't have an adequate site to do this, you could have stopped and thanked them for volunteering to fight and possibly sacrifice their lives so you can ride that mountain bike.

37 seconds too late on this post.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Strickland</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Are we sure they weren't the rubberized versions? </div></div>

Been a good while since I've handled the rubber ducky... but as I recall, those have magazines molded into them don't they?
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jericho</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Mountain bikes are for yuppies. </div></div>

And people who ride bikes... in the mountains.
 
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There is a small detachment on FT. Harrison in Helena, MT from 19th group I belive. For some reason chemical detection comes to mind. Whne I did ROTC in Bozeman I want to know what the other students thought when we were doing small unit tactics behind the student union building. We were in civies and no weapons. Hell we were issued M 16's and loaded Chinooks right behind some of the dorm rooms.
 
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I fully support them. Good for them for getting out and training with limited resources. Much better than a paycheck collecting unit that is affraid to offend someone.
 
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Back to the OP: I had a kid do that to me at a Cabela's with a full-dress varmint rig that was sitting on top of the counter. He glassed me the whole way while I was walking down the counter towards him, and when I got there, I let him have it, quietly but forcefully, with a barrage of expletive-laden, barracks-grade Spanish (he spoke it) that I was not a suitable target and that he had better practice marksmanship elsewhere. I've had it happen at gun shows, too, and it just pisses me off.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Standish</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I fully support them. Good for them for getting out and training with limited resources. Much better than a paycheck collecting unit that is affraid to offend someone. </div></div>
I am in a Guard unit on the way back from Afghanistan as we speak. I agree with your comment Standish.... I have been in units where all they do is show up for a paycheck.... ridiculous! That was in my early days as an enlisted soldier, and I am happy to say that the Guard has really stepped up to the plate in training since then, and definitely pulled our weight since 9-11!!