Movie Theater Dunkirk

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saw it last night.....didn't seem like a Hollywood movie just a well made docudrama.
no character development, no great dialog,no big stars just lots of action. cant see it getting best picture.
let me know if Im crazy.
 
It was a powerful showing, but... I didn't care for how the time line was presented. It could have been a much better movie. A friend and retired veteran I work with saw it last night and we agreed that it was not what we were expecting... it wasn't bad, it just wasn't good.
 
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I haven't seen it but my son did and he said it was so-so.
There was an article in last Saturday's WSJ and the Director (?) deliberately avoided showing Nazi insignia and avoided Churchill's speech (historical context) in order to make the story more "universal". Sad really, because with out the historical context, the urgency and the fate of England and perhaps the ultimate outcome of WW II was not adequately explained.
 
Saw it and I agree. it was only SO-SO. I would have liked to seen a fact check at the end of the movie that stated how many boats, saved how many soldiers. there was a little quip that 300,000 were saved. if the average "pleasure" craft could hold 50 then that is 6000 boats. Also IF the main characters were based on real life people (which I doubt) it would have been nice to know how their life ended up.

It would boarder on "fake news" if it was anything but a movie. I just don't think they understand that people want a fact based historical movie.

If you have seen the movie ARGO and then did some research on the true story you would know the movie made a lot of shit up or changed the story line. And for no real good reason as the true story was just as impressive, with just a couple less twists but all the turns.

I hate getting my hopes up. They always fuck it up. The Red tails was another one. Poorly done story, on an important point in history. If you didn't know a Red Tail pilot is credited with being the first to shoot down a jet plane.

Damn it I am getting wound up.
 
Thought it was very good. Great camera work; just enough dialog to let you in a bit on what characters were thinking (except for old Tom Hardy, who apparently doesn't need to speak to act); no sentimental bullshit. It was nice to see a straight up war movie, without all the sappy, love story-backstory-brostory, happy-ending, turgid with manufactured meaning, swelling-music affect garbage that ruins otherwise well shot, competently edited works. Really nice looking on the 70mm (no IMAX).
 
Just got back from seeing Dunkirk and I must say that I was totally... underwhelmed....

The 'three stories' from different angles cinematography was just kind of annoying.... creative in a 'Pulp Fiction' kind of way. But failed to tell the story.

They missed the opportunity to really show the scale of the achievement by the British civilian boat crews who pulled of a true miracle.

And after about the third drowning, I was really ready to have the main character guy killed off as soon as possible. Damn I hope he distinguished himself on D-Day or in Africa or something... because he was simply annoying every time he managed to swim out of another disaster.

Last, the director failed to even follow up with a scroll at the end... give some history. Did you know that the plane the guy landed on the beach was exhumed a decade or so ago and restored and is now flying? And that the pilot was alive up until just a few years ago? They tried to sneak in snippets of information here and there that really explained the magnitude of what happened, but really it was all lost in trying to make the movie all actiony... and like the first minutes of Saving Private Ryan.

Such a lost opportunity.... one of the greatest stories of WW2 and it had to get thrown away because someone wanted to be all artsy.

Oh well, Busenhalter-6 actually loved it. She doesn't usually like war movies. But she was into it. Had all kinds of questions afterwards and now wants to see a documentary or two about the evacuation. So I suppose the story wasn't aimed at military historians.

Cheers,

Sirhr

P.S. I actually thought the most redeeming part of the story was about the kid who finally made it into the paper. Not sure if true or a dramatic device. But I think it did credit to a lot of amazing Brits who pulled off the Miracle at Dunkirk.
 
Just got back from seeing Dunkirk and I must say that I was totally... underwhelmed....

The 'three stories' from different angles cinematography was just kind of annoying.... creative in a 'Pulp Fiction' kind of way. But failed to tell the story.

They missed the opportunity to really show the scale of the achievement by the British civilian boat crews who pulled of a true miracle.

And after about the third drowning, I was really ready to have the main character guy killed off as soon as possible. Damn I hope he distinguished himself on D-Day or in Africa or something... because he was simply annoying every time he managed to swim out of another disaster.

Last, the director failed to even follow up with a scroll at the end... give some history. Did you know that the plane the guy landed on the beach was exhumed a decade or so ago and restored and is now flying? And that the pilot was alive up until just a few years ago? They tried to sneak in snippets of information here and there that really explained the magnitude of what happened, but really it was all lost in trying to make the movie all actiony... and like the first minutes of Saving Private Ryan.

Such a lost opportunity.... one of the greatest stories of WW2 and it had to get thrown away because someone wanted to be all artsy.

Oh well, Busenhalter-6 actually loved it. She doesn't usually like war movies. But she was into it. Had all kinds of questions afterwards and now wants to see a documentary or two about the evacuation. So I suppose the story wasn't aimed at military historians.

Cheers,

Sirhr

P.S. I actually thought the most redeeming part of the story was about the kid who finally made it into the paper. Not sure if true or a dramatic device. But I think it did credit to a lot of amazing Brits who pulled off the Miracle at Dunkirk.

Pretty much nailed it.
 
Spit Mk1 and Me109E? Why no Huricanes?

Because they couldn't fly that far.

Added: I saw the original movie and was intrigued. Intrigued enough to find out as many things as I could about it. Over the years my approach to some of these historic battles is a little bit of skepticism at the "actual" account of what happened and being able to see between the lines a lot better in what mattered and what did not....as much.

I've yet to see the new movie, but am interested in doing so. I want to see it on the silver screen as I think it gives a better mental effect of what those soldiers and airmen went through at that time. Much like "Saving Private Ryan", the mental effect given during those first thirty minutes puts you on the beach. At first, you're all about killing Germans in every way possible. Then as the defenses fall and German soldiers are standing there with hands up, in line, surrendering, you have a pinch of remorse watching them get gunned down by a GI who just lost a bunch of his friends. What's right? What's fair? It really put a human side to it. Much like in the end, when I would have just as soon shot Uppham as any German soldier. I'd have still shot the little fucker for letting that entire squad go, even if he did shoot that lying POS. (He was a bad guy in Spy Games too!) Again, the human side of us wants to okay this, but not that. Situations can bring out the best or worst of us.
 
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sirhr,

Not sure if I'm sad or glad I didn't see the movie. Certainly glad I saw Saving Private Ryan and Bridge of Spies. Bridge was awesome in the intense drama without the action. I know a lot of people love the action, but at times it gets to the point where I shut down and get through it. You mentioned Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy in another thread and both the original with Alec Guiness and the remake with Gary Oldman were as you said, dramatically riveting. This seems to be a lost art in movies. The power of suggestion over the power of "I gotta see everything." It also lends itself well to being able to take a movie from the 'action' to a bigger picture the movie is pushing at. And, it is so far down the road, that that idea needs to be made clear. That the challenge to get these men off the beach and re arm them to fight again, was by no means a small task, and it wasn't done without a lot of sacrifice on the parts of many.

One of the best war movies from my childhood was "Where Eagles Dare" in it's entirety (too much cut for tv adaptation). Great action, but serious tension with actors staring each other down. A heart as cold as ice (Burton). What a thriller that turned out to be. Too bad you can't see it on the silver screen anymore. Lawrence of Arabia, if for nothing else the cinematography. But, whether you liked or even understood the political ramifications of what he did, the acting was superb.
 
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