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You’ll just have to shoot a lot more while you go through more of the tuners settings on a thicker contour barrel.

This new ec brake uses a small and light weight which isn’t ideal but would be one of the limitations of that design. The standard for tuners is a weight around 4oz.

Check out the tmb. It’s designed to work better with thicker contour barrels.

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Hi Ryda, This shows it in black and in the video it shows grey/silver. Is it going to be available in either one and if so will both be available around the same time or will one be offered sooner then the other? Thank you.
 

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I wish the ATS wasn't so expensive. By the time I get an ATS I could just grab an EC Tuner and have it installed for the same amount
That’s right, cortina is basically offering a piercision brake with a tuner included for around $200. ATS wants $200 for just his tuner, and you still have to fork over another 150 or more for a brake. Cortina has a bargain there.
 
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    That’s right, cortina is basically offering a piercision brake with a tuner included for around $200. ATS wants $200 for just his tuner, and you still have to fork over another 150 or more for a brake. Cortina has a bargain there.

    Hi,

    Do you have to turn the barrel down on the new EC Brake Tuner?

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    I can do a tuner/adapter that stays torqued onto the barrel, then have an adapter that screws into the suppressor and then the suppressor screw onto the tuner/adapter but there's a lot going on there. Which is my issue with the ats tuner, it's not torqued onto the barrel and then you're stacking other devices on top of that. I deliberately made the tmb as simple as possible with the way it mounts and with the least amount of parts.

    I guess the way I would be most comfortable with would be a tuner/adapter (see picture below) and then an adapter that replaces the end cap of the suppressor like the q plan b to eliminate as many parts as possible. But how many suppressors is that possible with?

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    that taper attachment doesn't violate 419's patent?

    I love your design. excited to see it in person.
     

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    Can you use other devices that you have already purchased and the cost being a moot point ?
    (Brakes,Suppressors,Thread Protectors etc.)

    The ATS allows you to use your standard barrel threads and existing muzzle devices.

    The EC tuner/ Brake is all in one.

    The EC tuner (stand alone) requires special threads be machined behind the shoulder of your existing threads and allows use of existing muzzle devices.
     

    gnochi

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    This whole tuner thing is intriguing. Especially since there isnt any real science to explain it. And it only takes a small adjustment to make a huge difference down range.

    I mean, it’s just harmonics, like a tuning fork. Same thing as looking for nodes. It lets you tune the barrel to the load instead of tuning the load to the barrel.
     

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    Hi,

    Do you have to turn the barrel down on the new EC Brake Tuner?

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    didn’t you have a few conversations with someone on the phone a while ago about the idea of a tuner/brake but they never really came through?

    then saw it for sale to the public before you ever saw the prototype?

    I might be confused though.
     

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    Got mine today. Will play with it tomorrow at the range for sure

    Hi,

    What are the specs of your barrel? Specifically the contour.

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    didn’t you have a few conversations with someone on the phone a while ago about the idea of a tuner/brake but they never really came through?

    then saw it for sale to the public before you ever saw the prototype?

    I might be confused though.

    Hi,

    You are not confused, hahaha. That is pretty much how it went down but no issues with that as long as the T&E guys got them and put them through the paces.
    I asked for a clam style brake though since I prefer them over the gill brakes. We can get into the gas stripping debates for the next year but there is a reason the big bores seem to function better with clam style brakes.

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    Hi,

    What are the specs of your barrel? Specifically the contour.

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    Hi,

    You are not confused, hahaha. That is pretty much how it went down but no issues with that as long as the T&E guys got them and put them through the paces.

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    I just mounted it on my dads ca ba tactical 6.5 prc to test out tomorrow. It will end up going on my gap prc with mtu or my heavy straight bartlien prc
     

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    If they work out well will they be available on hoplite rifles as a option?

    Hi,

    Looks like I will be ordering test samples from a few different manufacturers and see what happens. No promises on what will be available as an option until they are are tested on our rifles that all have MTU contoured 27" barrels.

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    I just mounted it on my dads ca ba tactical 6.5 prc to test out tomorrow. It will end up going on my gap prc with mtu or my heavy straight bartlien prc

    Hi,

    Definitely interested in the differences/effectiveness from the Carbon barrel to the MTU contour hog leg barrel.

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    I installed the ATS on my 300PRC heavy varmit 29.5" Bartlein....I will be getting the EC Tuner/Brake soon. I'm highly interested in how they compare. I'm about to install an Area 419 Sidewider Magnum Brake with the universal adapter. I think this solution would be best for running a suppressor and back and forth to a brake. Just write down your settings of each.

    I found the ATS to be extremely quick to tune a load on a thick profile barrel. I think the EC Tuner/Brake would be a better option when I shoot benchrest, F Class, and belly type matches that don't allow suppressors. I'm going to test this Winter with both systems and see which one works best for my needs.

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    I have a 6gt barrel that just got to straight jacket for milling for a EC tuner. I will try to post some information when I start working loads in a few weeks. I am planning to run the tuner with a suppressor so it will be interesting to see how it tunes.
     

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    Seemed like a pretty genuine question to me, also you didn’t answer my question. How many people actually swap between a suppressor and brake on the same rifle?

    We don’t have suppressors in Australia but if we did I don’t see why you would do that. A suppressor mount with the tuner built in so you can use one suppressor between multiple rifles is something I could see being a good idea.

    I intended to, but don't.
     
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    This finally cleared customs after weeks of waiting.

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    The video series I’ll be filming over the next week with it will include:

    - Detailed video on the design/features, how it works and why.
    - Tuning factory ammo.
    - Load development from start to finish (fastest way with a tuner and how I do it - load a bunch 0.02 off the lands, charge weight to get the speed you want and then use the tuner to dial it in.)
    - Load development from start to finish (same as before but then an ocw test to see how low we can get the standard deviations.)
    - Load development from start to finish (seating depth test, then ocw test, then dial it in with a tuner, to show the extra work doesn’t get you anything extra.)
    - Recoil test sled test to show muzzle brake performance vs other brakes.
    - Repeatability test, taking the brake off and then reinstalling it to simulate cleaning your rifle and then checking groups and poi.

    Is there anything else people want or need to see? I figured that would cover the majority of questions people have about tuners but also the tmb in particular.
    This is a all one unit correct?
     
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    The prototypes are all just raw. The production models will all be nitrided.



    That was just a mock-up but I’ve looked at the patent and it shouldn’t violate anything.

    that CAD proto, if effective, is going to be a real winner I feel. this is based on a long time user and believer in 419's brakes and a new believer in tuners. very excited to see where you take this. good luck man!

    also, if you could keep it in mind to offer a stainless raw version. some of us really like having clean brakes and utilize CLR as a cleaner and it ruins the nitride finish in coated parts. something to think about for down the road.
     
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    Tuner absolutely works. Did a quick test on factory Hornady 143s out of my dads gun. Gun shoots the match 147s right at 3/8 and my hand loads of Berger 156s better than that so i know the gun is capable. I started at 0 which is top left and went to 10. Setting 2 is what the typical groups looked like using the 143s before the tuner. As you can see on 6 things tightened way up. I let everything cool and repeated the same test with nearly identical results. Settled on 6 and shot a few 3 shot strings and all groups were as good or better. Thing absolutely works
     

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    Tuner absolutely works. Did a quick test on factory Hornady 143s out of my dads gun. Gun shoots the match 147s right at 3/8 and my hand loads of Berger 156s better than that so i know the gun is capable. I started at 0 which is top left and went to 10. Setting 2 is what the typical groups looked like using the 143s before the tuner. As you can see on 6 things tightened way up. I let everything cool and repeated the same test with nearly identical results. Settled on 6 and shot a few 3 shot strings and all groups were as good or better. Thing absolutely works

    What contour barrel?
     

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    How many settings per rotation?

    Interested to see how it performs. Ideally you want a heavy weight as close to the muzzle as possible without going past it and this goes against all of that so I’m interested to see what peoples experiences with them are. Tuners work regardless but depending on the design some are easier to tune and keep in tune than others.
    20 if you count the half settings
     

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    Tuner absolutely works. Did a quick test on factory Hornady 143s out of my dads gun. Gun shoots the match 147s right at 3/8 and my hand loads of Berger 156s better than that so i know the gun is capable. I started at 0 which is top left and went to 10. Setting 2 is what the typical groups looked like using the 143s before the tuner. As you can see on 6 things tightened way up. I let everything cool and repeated the same test with nearly identical results. Settled on 6 and shot a few 3 shot strings and all groups were as good or better. Thing absolutely works
    Thanks for posting the results of the tuner brake testing! How was the felt recoil of the rifle with this brake?
     

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    This finally cleared customs after weeks of waiting.

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    The video series I’ll be filming over the next week with it will include:

    - Detailed video on the design/features, how it works and why.
    - Tuning factory ammo.
    - Load development from start to finish (fastest way with a tuner and how I do it - load a bunch 0.02 off the lands, charge weight to get the speed you want and then use the tuner to dial it in.)
    - Load development from start to finish (same as before but then an ocw test to see how low we can get the standard deviations.)
    - Load development from start to finish (seating depth test, then ocw test, then dial it in with a tuner, to show the extra work doesn’t get you anything extra.)
    - Recoil test sled test to show muzzle brake performance vs other brakes.
    - Repeatability test, taking the brake off and then reinstalling it to simulate cleaning your rifle and then checking groups and poi.

    Is there anything else people want or need to see? I figured that would cover the majority of questions people have about tuners but also the tmb in particular.

    I think of video on all of those topics together would be super beneficial and will show everything anyone would need to know
     
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    I get the tuner is to match the barrel to the bullet, wouldn't you wanna match the bullet to the barrel IE CBTO ladder test then match that best load to the tuner for ultimate small group? I mean that's what I would do....
    Or is the point of the tuner so you can just load to mag length and now you can be lazy?
     

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    I get the tuner is to match the barrel to the bullet, wouldn't you wanna match the bullet to the barrel IE CBTO ladder test then match that best load to the tuner for ultimate small group? I mean that's what I would do....
    Or is the point of the tuner so you can just load to mag length and now you can be lazy?
    The tuner doesn't match the bullet to the barrel. If your barrel doesn't like a certain bullet, a tuner won't fix that.

    Think of tuners as doing the same thing as playing with seating depth.

    A tuner just makes your rifle more adaptable. You can make factory ammo shoot better or skip the seating depth tuning step in your load workup.

    If you want to wring every last bit of accuracy out of your handloads you can play with the tuner after you get your seating depth settled.
     

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    The tuner doesn't match the bullet to the barrel. If your barrel doesn't like a certain bullet, a tuner won't fix that.

    Think of tuners as doing the same thing as playing with seating depth.

    A tuner just makes your rifle more adaptable. You can make factory ammo shoot better or skip the seating depth tuning step in your load workup.

    If you want to wring every last bit of accuracy out of your handloads you can play with the tuner after you get your seating depth settled.

    If you have velocity A and seating depth B, tuner setting C will produce similarly small groups to adjusting charge weight and seating depth, potentially at a higher charge or more convenient (read: exists on shelves) powder. It won’t work miracles, but it’ll be a tremendous improvement for factory ammo in particular.
     

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    If you have velocity A and seating depth B, tuner setting C will produce similarly small groups to adjusting charge weight and seating depth, potentially at a higher charge or more convenient (read: exists on shelves) powder. It won’t work miracles, but it’ll be a tremendous improvement for factory ammo in particular.
    But remember, if your ES and SD's are crap, a tuner won't help you.

    Primers and powder charge to get consistent velocity, seating depth and tuner to shrink group size.
     

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    The tuner doesn't match the bullet to the barrel. If your barrel doesn't like a certain bullet, a tuner won't fix that.

    Think of tuners as doing the same thing as playing with seating depth.

    A tuner just makes your rifle more adaptable. You can make factory ammo shoot better or skip the seating depth tuning step in your load workup.

    If you want to wring every last bit of accuracy out of your handloads you can play with the tuner after you get your seating depth settled.

    This is not great info.

    As long as running high quality bullets, it’s very rare to find a bullet your “barrel doesn’t like.” For example, I have not found a single Berger or hornady (eld) that won’t shoot.

    The more likely scenario is that your barrel just isn’t that good and won’t shoot as well as other barrels. Rather than it “just doesn’t like a bullet.”