Here is the chronology of our EDM Windrunner .338 Lapua experience. Purchased the rifle in person at a gun show in Utah. Received the rifle 3 months later. Right out of the box the M-60 bipod legs were found to be defective and would not lock into place. They were also found to be too short to keep the rifle stable and the rifle was prone to falling over sideways. A replacement set was sent and they too were marginal. We rebuilt a pair using the parts from the 4 legs and still could not get the locking mechanisms to function as required to make them usable. A fixed height pair was sent from EDM and they too were unstable and the rifle was prone to falling over sideways. Upon purchasing a set of scope rings from NightForce, the EDM scope mounting rail was found to be out of spec, and would not mount the scope to the rifle securely. The rings were sent back to NF to be checked for dimensions and were deemed to be in spec. A new scope mounting base was requested from EDM and were mounted and worked as required. A Elite Iron Sierra suppressor was ordered and received. Once the BATF cleared the transfer, the can was mounted on the rifle. The weight of the suppressor caused the rifle to be nose heavy and the rifle now falls forward into the dirt. The barrel was broken in, firing and cleaning as per EDM's schedule. At the 45 round mark the safely broke off. It is on its way back to EDM for repair and upgrades. All the problems should be fixed and Bill will test fire it before returning it next week. All a guy could ask for.
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DAMN!!! Would have been awesome to have that all on video. Sorry for your bad luck! Hope EDM makes it right.
DAMN!!! Would have been awesome to have that all on video. Sorry for your bad luck! Hope EDM makes it right.
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What happened to your other post on this topic?
What happened to your other post on this topic?
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Not to sling mud but what is the purpose of this thread? Anytime you title a post "XXX is a POS" you are making a blanket statement that is bound to create a conflict. Is that what you are looking for because several thousand other Hide members are here to learn, educate and have fun..... I had an EDM 408 that was awesome, you like peanut butter and jelly I'm a tuna sandwich guy, who cares. Contact EDM, see what can be done to fix the deficiencies in your expensive investment and get it back out to the range to have some fun, then, come back and give us a worth while post that explains what was wrong, what was done to fix it and how the whole thing ended up, so that its useful and pertinent to the rest of us on here.
"dismounts worlds smallest soapbox"
Not to sling mud but what is the purpose of this thread? Anytime you title a post "XXX is a POS" you are making a blanket statement that is bound to create a conflict. Is that what you are looking for because several thousand other Hide members are here to learn, educate and have fun..... I had an EDM 408 that was awesome, you like peanut butter and jelly I'm a tuna sandwich guy, who cares. Contact EDM, see what can be done to fix the deficiencies in your expensive investment and get it back out to the range to have some fun, then, come back and give us a worth while post that explains what was wrong, what was done to fix it and how the whole thing ended up, so that its useful and pertinent to the rest of us on here.
"dismounts worlds smallest soapbox"
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Badshot308</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What happened to your other post on this topic? </div></div>
I was wondering the same thing, but based on the OP's post count and previous "spin" on the thread about selling the "broke dick" rifle off, I'd say that was one reason it got shut down although I didn't see any posts after mine so it could have turned into a complete trainwreck shortly thereafter.
To the OP...my advice is the same as before. While I realize that you are effectively DONE with this rifle based on your extremely poor experiences with its quality and multiple breakdowns since received, let Bill have a chance to make the rifle right. I'm not excusing what has transpired with the rifle and I certainly understand and appreciate your position, but I find what has happened in your case to be the exception...not the rule...as far as EDM's products are concerned. Again, give EDM a chance to fix what's obviously f-ed up with the rifle and give it another try. If you don't get any satisfaction then...well...sell the "broke dick" "POS" and move on to a different .338LM platform altogether.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Badshot308</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What happened to your other post on this topic? </div></div>
I was wondering the same thing, but based on the OP's post count and previous "spin" on the thread about selling the "broke dick" rifle off, I'd say that was one reason it got shut down although I didn't see any posts after mine so it could have turned into a complete trainwreck shortly thereafter.
To the OP...my advice is the same as before. While I realize that you are effectively DONE with this rifle based on your extremely poor experiences with its quality and multiple breakdowns since received, let Bill have a chance to make the rifle right. I'm not excusing what has transpired with the rifle and I certainly understand and appreciate your position, but I find what has happened in your case to be the exception...not the rule...as far as EDM's products are concerned. Again, give EDM a chance to fix what's obviously f-ed up with the rifle and give it another try. If you don't get any satisfaction then...well...sell the "broke dick" "POS" and move on to a different .338LM platform altogether.
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Dearest Poundcake, this rifle was not purchased for "fun" but as a weapon of warfare to be used protecting US interests on foreign soil. We do not enjoy the luxury of having weapons in our inventory that don't function as designed. Our lives and the lives of our clients hang in the balance. My posting was to inform fellow professional soldiers, military contractors and other personnel serving in harms way (where people have been known to shoot back meaning to kill you) that the EDM Windrunner has a few problems that can be remedied for a little extra money. I am of course, assuming there are other individuals serving is said capacity that read this Forum. If I am mistaken, I copiously apologize. I clearly stated the ongoing problems we have had with this rifle. The purpose being useful information for fellow marksmen that make a living and dying behind a rifle. Not for the weekend warrior, fun factory, squeeky clean environment shooters at the local gun club. Rifle is packed in a big box, ready to return for repairs to EDM.
Dearest Poundcake, this rifle was not purchased for "fun" but as a weapon of warfare to be used protecting US interests on foreign soil. We do not enjoy the luxury of having weapons in our inventory that don't function as designed. Our lives and the lives of our clients hang in the balance. My posting was to inform fellow professional soldiers, military contractors and other personnel serving in harms way (where people have been known to shoot back meaning to kill you) that the EDM Windrunner has a few problems that can be remedied for a little extra money. I am of course, assuming there are other individuals serving is said capacity that read this Forum. If I am mistaken, I copiously apologize. I clearly stated the ongoing problems we have had with this rifle. The purpose being useful information for fellow marksmen that make a living and dying behind a rifle. Not for the weekend warrior, fun factory, squeeky clean environment shooters at the local gun club. Rifle is packed in a big box, ready to return for repairs to EDM.
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In all fairness, I was reminded by a teammate that a 12 inch long penile implant looking appendage could be retrofitted to the rifle to facilitate mounting the marginal bipod to make the rifle not face plant into the dirt (sorry if this is starting to sound pornographic). I had forgotten about that "fix".
In all fairness, I was reminded by a teammate that a 12 inch long penile implant looking appendage could be retrofitted to the rifle to facilitate mounting the marginal bipod to make the rifle not face plant into the dirt (sorry if this is starting to sound pornographic). I had forgotten about that "fix".
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Dearest Kilmore,
Awesome!
Thankyou for posting such a professional response. I do appreciate the clarification. I don't tknow you, your background, or you purpose for being here, but the more we all strive to uphold the standards and ethos of our various agencies, departments and units, ( who we represent on here for good or bad) the better.
The next time you're in Astan, Pstan, SE Asia in general or hell even N Africa these days... Hit me up and I'll buy you a coffee at the nearest greenbeans.
Regards,
Pcake
Dearest Kilmore,
Awesome!
Thankyou for posting such a professional response. I do appreciate the clarification. I don't tknow you, your background, or you purpose for being here, but the more we all strive to uphold the standards and ethos of our various agencies, departments and units, ( who we represent on here for good or bad) the better.
The next time you're in Astan, Pstan, SE Asia in general or hell even N Africa these days... Hit me up and I'll buy you a coffee at the nearest greenbeans.
Regards,
Pcake
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Elite iron also makes a very nice handguard/bipod setup for these guns that completely changes the balance of the rifle. It also rotates and makes the rifle look better as well.
Elite iron also makes a very nice handguard/bipod setup for these guns that completely changes the balance of the rifle. It also rotates and makes the rifle look better as well.
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I'm laughing pretty hard. Just thought you guys should know.
I'm laughing pretty hard. Just thought you guys should know.
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I have an M96 Windrunner in 50BMG and absolutely love it. I had an issue about a year ago where I fired a yellow tipped (Dominican Heavy-Ball) round and it got stuck in the chamber. It was my own fuckup as I should've researched the round more (evidently the Dominicans tumbled the rounds a good bit to clean them which caused the powder to break down and significant pressure issues), but still called EDM on Labor Day of last year and left a message for them to call me back. Well, Bill called me back that day (a holiday, mind you) and talked me through it!
Sure I ended up eating the cost of sending my rifle to EDM to get it fixed, but they removed the stuck round, checked the whole rifle over, and sent it back to me paying the return postage (along with the card of a 50BMG ammo supplier, haha). Since then I have fired only my reloads and factory ammo with absolutely zero hiccups.
Now I am sure I don't run my rig as hard as they do in the field, but I have done "rapid fire" drills a couple in a row as well as pushed the limits on my reloads. I haven't had any issues with regards to functionality OR accuracy.
My post's purpose is twofold:
1- To request you give Bill Ritchie a chance to make good on the situation and
2- To show others considering/researching an EDM product that your experience is the exception and not the rule.
I have an M96 Windrunner in 50BMG and absolutely love it. I had an issue about a year ago where I fired a yellow tipped (Dominican Heavy-Ball) round and it got stuck in the chamber. It was my own fuckup as I should've researched the round more (evidently the Dominicans tumbled the rounds a good bit to clean them which caused the powder to break down and significant pressure issues), but still called EDM on Labor Day of last year and left a message for them to call me back. Well, Bill called me back that day (a holiday, mind you) and talked me through it!
Sure I ended up eating the cost of sending my rifle to EDM to get it fixed, but they removed the stuck round, checked the whole rifle over, and sent it back to me paying the return postage (along with the card of a 50BMG ammo supplier, haha). Since then I have fired only my reloads and factory ammo with absolutely zero hiccups.
Now I am sure I don't run my rig as hard as they do in the field, but I have done "rapid fire" drills a couple in a row as well as pushed the limits on my reloads. I haven't had any issues with regards to functionality OR accuracy.
My post's purpose is twofold:
1- To request you give Bill Ritchie a chance to make good on the situation and
2- To show others considering/researching an EDM product that your experience is the exception and not the rule.
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Halcyon612, Not actually the case. EDM will have fixed the problems on the rifle now 3 times. Another buyer in Virginia stated in my last post (before it was deleted) that he had to have 2 different EDM 408 rifles repaired in 3 months times due to a broken trigger and broken safety. It a machine, it breaks, you fix it.
Halcyon612, Not actually the case. EDM will have fixed the problems on the rifle now 3 times. Another buyer in Virginia stated in my last post (before it was deleted) that he had to have 2 different EDM 408 rifles repaired in 3 months times due to a broken trigger and broken safety. It a machine, it breaks, you fix it.
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Sorry about that. I see where EDM sent you parts in your original post(replacement bipod legs and rail), but didn't see where you had sent it back to his shop in Utah.
Where did you hear about the Arizona receiver thing? Is EDM getting so many orders they had to sub-out machine work? If that's the case, Bill's QC oversight of THAT shop might slip a bit. I guess I got a good one (waaaaay back when EDM was in California, haha).
Sorry about that. I see where EDM sent you parts in your original post(replacement bipod legs and rail), but didn't see where you had sent it back to his shop in Utah.
Where did you hear about the Arizona receiver thing? Is EDM getting so many orders they had to sub-out machine work? If that's the case, Bill's QC oversight of THAT shop might slip a bit. I guess I got a good one (waaaaay back when EDM was in California, haha).
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I'll trade you a good second hand SPS Tactical.
I'll trade you a good second hand SPS Tactical.
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Kilmore I had the CheyTac version with extended bipod. I liked it as a positional weapon. Would hate to hump the f'r anywhere far.
I never liked the EDM Bipod set up either but the rifle. Balance is bad. With that said the EDMs I ahve shot where quality weapons but last one was a few years back and who knows what happened. Obviously yours was not there best work
Good luck and be safe
Have a greenbeans on me as well but remember dont go to dfac at midnight.
Kilmore I had the CheyTac version with extended bipod. I liked it as a positional weapon. Would hate to hump the f'r anywhere far.
I never liked the EDM Bipod set up either but the rifle. Balance is bad. With that said the EDMs I ahve shot where quality weapons but last one was a few years back and who knows what happened. Obviously yours was not there best work
Good luck and be safe
Have a greenbeans on me as well but remember dont go to dfac at midnight.
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Redlands, CA built Windrunners are solid rifles and I think most people with experience will agree. When Bill moved the company to Hurricane, UT something happened with the quality of the rifle builds it seems. It could be any number of things (different crew, tooling, etc). This isn't the first I've heard of newer Windrunners having problems, which surprised me given past experience.
That said, EDM is well known for excellent customer service and I can say with confidence if you have a problem with one of Bill's rifles - let him know. I've seen him go out of his way to make things right on more than one occasion and in no way is he known for putting out crap and avoiding responsibility.
Redlands, CA built Windrunners are solid rifles and I think most people with experience will agree. When Bill moved the company to Hurricane, UT something happened with the quality of the rifle builds it seems. It could be any number of things (different crew, tooling, etc). This isn't the first I've heard of newer Windrunners having problems, which surprised me given past experience.
That said, EDM is well known for excellent customer service and I can say with confidence if you have a problem with one of Bill's rifles - let him know. I've seen him go out of his way to make things right on more than one occasion and in no way is he known for putting out crap and avoiding responsibility.
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Never been to Africa. You be safe
Never been to Africa. You be safe
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Informative thread. Thank you.
Informative thread. Thank you.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Halcyon612</div><div class="ubbcode-body">...along with the card of a 50BMG ammo supplier...</div></div>
Any feedback on that supplier?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: boomer@#$</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Informative thread. Thank you. </div></div>
I agree.
One wonders why the vendor didn't "make it right" the first time a problem was noted. How many times does a customer have to say the $8,000 gun is broken before meaningful corrective action is taken? Should roses, a box of chocolates, and a pretty pink card to the vendor really be necessary to get it fixed?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Halcyon612</div><div class="ubbcode-body">...along with the card of a 50BMG ammo supplier...</div></div>
Any feedback on that supplier?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: boomer@#$</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Informative thread. Thank you. </div></div>
I agree.
One wonders why the vendor didn't "make it right" the first time a problem was noted. How many times does a customer have to say the $8,000 gun is broken before meaningful corrective action is taken? Should roses, a box of chocolates, and a pretty pink card to the vendor really be necessary to get it fixed?
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One more rifle maker on my "Not to Buy From" list. Thanks for the post.
One more rifle maker on my "Not to Buy From" list. Thanks for the post.
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If you want the safety to work properly you'll have to get a huber trigger(different safety geometry)a standard rem trigger works for shit there to much tension on it. I take it you broke the safety reengaging the safety? The elite iron bipod will solve your other issue.
If you want the safety to work properly you'll have to get a huber trigger(different safety geometry)a standard rem trigger works for shit there to much tension on it. I take it you broke the safety reengaging the safety? The elite iron bipod will solve your other issue.
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Contract security I'm guessing?
I'll buy it for $1000
In all seriousness, this is a first I have ever heard of EDM having issues. What drove you to EDM over the other manufacturers or builders using more common, available like systems for example the Rem based systems? Or something such as the AI series or TRG which are actualy battle proven?
Contract security I'm guessing?
I'll buy it for $1000
In all seriousness, this is a first I have ever heard of EDM having issues. What drove you to EDM over the other manufacturers or builders using more common, available like systems for example the Rem based systems? Or something such as the AI series or TRG which are actualy battle proven?
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First off, please refer to my posting "EDM Windrunner Update" regarding the solutions Bill at EDM offered to fix the issues with the rifle. Above and beyond excellent customer service. Secondly, the Windrunner rifle is combat proven with hundreds recorded enemy kills. MLC of Centurion (and a west coast Seal) has been shooting the .408 on several deployments, the Marines from Bridgeport have many notches in their EDM rigs, several other guys I have worked with in the past have smoked many a bad guy with EDM's. I had a AI .338 that I replaced the barrel on twice. One was shot out a 1300 rounds the other at 1800. Bill has some .338 barrels with over 5000 rounds through them. I am not a fan of the MSR or DTA for several reasons. This company only uses US made weapons. As you have stated, not too often that you hear about an EDM breaking down. As Bill put it on the phone today: "it had to be an operator, couldn't just be a happy civilian". We had a serious discussion at the company level and better judgement ruled the day and decided to have the Windrunner fixed and deployed later this month. We will be taking spare Remmington triggers that the rifle uses and some other obvious parts that might foul out in a hard use environment. Elite Iron built the suppressor, but could not get the hand guard/built for a couple of months.
First off, please refer to my posting "EDM Windrunner Update" regarding the solutions Bill at EDM offered to fix the issues with the rifle. Above and beyond excellent customer service. Secondly, the Windrunner rifle is combat proven with hundreds recorded enemy kills. MLC of Centurion (and a west coast Seal) has been shooting the .408 on several deployments, the Marines from Bridgeport have many notches in their EDM rigs, several other guys I have worked with in the past have smoked many a bad guy with EDM's. I had a AI .338 that I replaced the barrel on twice. One was shot out a 1300 rounds the other at 1800. Bill has some .338 barrels with over 5000 rounds through them. I am not a fan of the MSR or DTA for several reasons. This company only uses US made weapons. As you have stated, not too often that you hear about an EDM breaking down. As Bill put it on the phone today: "it had to be an operator, couldn't just be a happy civilian". We had a serious discussion at the company level and better judgement ruled the day and decided to have the Windrunner fixed and deployed later this month. We will be taking spare Remmington triggers that the rifle uses and some other obvious parts that might foul out in a hard use environment. Elite Iron built the suppressor, but could not get the hand guard/built for a couple of months.
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I am curious what you do not like about the DTA.
I am curious what you do not like about the DTA.
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True, EDM has been one of my dream rifles ever since I started down the .50 BMG path. Phenominal rifles IMO.
I hadn't seen Marines playing with them but then most of the Marines I worked with were in small teams. Other than that they were somewhere us Army guys weren't.
Good luck, and hopefully that rifle reduces the @$$hole population.
V/R
True, EDM has been one of my dream rifles ever since I started down the .50 BMG path. Phenominal rifles IMO.
I hadn't seen Marines playing with them but then most of the Marines I worked with were in small teams. Other than that they were somewhere us Army guys weren't.
Good luck, and hopefully that rifle reduces the @$$hole population.
V/R
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