I so want to order one but then got more ideas move price range to $2000 and go razor gen 2 or leupold mark 5......... This is hard. I want the best glass i can afford which is $2000 at most as long as my cronus sells
Elr scopes.....$1500
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I hear ya, but these rifles just keep following me home. I’m like a magnet for orphaned firearms. Colleague wanted and AR-10. Told him you don’t need one, get another quality 5.56 since that’s all the ammo you have. Next day an ad popped up locally for a 7.62 gasser so I asked whether he wanted me to look into for him. Turned out the fellow had two LWRC REPRs. Next thing I know, I have an 18” in the stable. Who knew I ‘needed’ one?!? I really only bought it to get the 168gr FGMM for 80c/rd, promise. Haha
I’m screwed if anyone starts dropping NVG in Houston at good prices.
The XTR3 is impressive compared to the gen 2 razor I looked through, it should be on your list.
The 26 mil is killing me. I guess i could get a 30 moa rail for my nuke.
I like the leupold 3-18, would love one on an AR308. Its up to you with the reticules illumination etc.
Kind of shocking. I have shot with the Cronus and Razor in the same day and it wasn't particularly close, with the easy nod going to the Razor. IMHO, the Stryker, XRS II, and Razor are all nearly identical from a resolution standpoint. They all have slightly different quirks optically, but in general, they're all at very much the same level. I owned a Cronus for a while and didn't care for it for the price. I actually put my SWFA HD 5-20 back on instead. I didn't care for the reticle, the parallax knob, or the optics at high mag. I was glad to sell it for what I paid and move on.
The guys mentioning the XTR3 have a good point. I have yet to see one in person, but from what I've read, it should absolutely get a mention in this price range. But I'd still say that the XRS II at around $1k is the best deal around.
Your experience is equally surprising!
The glass in my Razor looks dark, resolution not that good (comparatively) and sucks in low light; maybe I have a lemon
It does track well and it does hold the boat in place rather well
This thread really tells the story about how people view and rate optics differently. Whether it's variation in the optical quality of individual examples or differences in how people's eyes view the world, it's difficult to find consistent opinions.
I'm in the Cronus BTR > XRS2 camp, but could understand the opposing viewpoint.
I'm in the Cronus BTR > XRS2 camp, but could understand the opposing viewpoint.
There's a lot of that involved. The exact amounts and colors of light an optic allows through vs what your individual eye detects the best is a big part of why people disagree on optical quality in a given product.
I have an XTR3 scr2 and a Trijicon 5-50 mrad - the Trijicon has better glass, but less FOV and finicky parallax. Love the thin reticle in the XTR3. If you're trying to quickly find, focus, and shoot, especially with a magnification change somewhere in-between, then XTR3. For leisurely target shooting, Trijicon.
Oh, and the XTR3 floating cross, I use the top of the cross as the aiming point, rather than the cross itself. Doesn't obstruct and helps me with precision. Trij is a dot.
Oh, and the XTR3 floating cross, I use the top of the cross as the aiming point, rather than the cross itself. Doesn't obstruct and helps me with precision. Trij is a dot.
Whst i think is really funny is when people start arguing a out how some scope has HD glass vs ED glass. As if my zeiss diavari is made out of old coke bottles.
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Stick with the Cronus gen2. Unless you are willing to step up to the NF Atacr and it is not a big step, you want find better glass or quality, for that price.
I only have the btr gen 1 cronus. But after reading and talking to people i have found that even at $2000 not a huge up grade basically paying for locking turrets. Dough at camralandny who is great said only true way to up grade is get into the $3000 like the atacr. Which i agree. I have looked threw a razor gen 2 and honestly i think the cronus is way better glass wise the razor was very milky and dark 16 power had more features. My buddy has a atacr and not braking it down but just looking threw it at 1 mile when we were shooting i couldnt tell much of a difference. Not saying there isnt but throwing it up and shooting couldn't see much at all.
We had an opportunity about a month ago to shoot and look thru a Cronus gen1 and 2 (the glass is the same, better turrets on the gen2, more tactile, both track about the same, near perfect
), NF Atacr, Kahles 525i, Razor gen2 HD, Leupold Mark 5, Athlon Ares ETR and a Leica and a Bushnell XTR. The glass in the NF and Cronus were the best as far as clarity. You are right, there is not much difference. We were shooting at 1252 yards at about thirty minutes before sunset and it was over cast. We could observe through them beyond a mile. If I had to rank them it would be NF Atacr, Athlon Cronus, Leupold Mark 5, Razor gen2 (I don't care for this scope because of the weight.), Kahles, Athlon Ares ETR (not the btr), Bushnell ( I did not get a chance to look thru the Leica). I own an Athlon Ares ETR sits on a Sako 300 WM long range and a Leupold Mark 5 3-18 on a Tikka TRS-1 308. I have a Cronus gen 2 on order going on a custom 338 RUM. Sold my gen 1 because I like the turrets on the gen 2 better. Price is going to be around the same as my gen 1 ($1699). I agree with someone else who said, "I really like the Athlon reticles."
Sorry yes. It was the XRS I believe. It was not mine. Several of us were shooting together an had the opportunity to shoot and look through each other's scopes. One of the guys is a dealer for Leupold, NF, Athlon and Kahles he had several there for us to try as well.
The Bushnell scope may have been an older model scope. I did not know the gentlemen it belonged to. Sorry to be so uninformed about the scope. We were really there to specifically compare the Kahles 525i, NF Atacr, Leupold Mark 5, and Athlon Cronus gen 2 (This was the only scope that was not a 5-25). A couple of guys just happened to have the Leica, Bushnell, and Vortex on their personal guns. I had the Ares ETR on mine. In the examples we tried two scopes really stood out from the rest and you really had to look hard to tell the difference. At a mile you could literally see individual leaves in trees. Those two scopes where the Atacr and the Cronus. That said one is really splitting hairs with any of them. The glass in all of them is good so you need to really begin to look at features beyond that. For the money the Cronus is hard to beat. It is a solid scope and if I had to guess it is made by the same OEM as the NF and Vortex Razor. The glass clarity really is that good. Contemplating a 375-338 IMP on a Sako action I have to try and play at 2 miles and considering one of three scopes to go on it. NF Atacr 7-35, Luepold Mark 5 7-35, or the Athlon Cronus gen 2 4.5-29 I already have on order. Leaning toward the Atacr because I already have one of each of the others.
If it was a first gen XRS not the XRS2, there's a noticable difference in glass. Given where you ranked it, I get the feeling it was a first gen.
Thank you for all the comparisons. The cronus does rock and a great scope i guess the features like locking turrets is the only thing missing. I guess for the huge money difference i can live with that
There's a huge difference in optical clarity/resolution between my XRS and my XRS2
I have a lot of time behind the G3, which I am sure helps, but honestly I can make wind holds down to .1 without even thinking about it now, and I can hold as small as .05 if I have a couple seconds to look at it.
Had a chance to look threw a brand new razor gen today. It was alot better than the other one looked threw. The glass was bright and crisp clear to edge but after about 20 to 22 power it sure got dark and fuzzy and wow i forgot how heavy they are
Purchased my first Vortex Razor last year in September.
The weight does not bother me, and I just love the solid and reliable construction.
Optically, I find it very good.
Liked it so much, I've bought another one for my AI .338 Lapua.
That warranty is great too.
I've bush bashed and dragged the Razor through all kinds of terrain, been bounced around in the truck, never dropped it's zero.
The weight does not bother me, and I just love the solid and reliable construction.
Optically, I find it very good.
Liked it so much, I've bought another one for my AI .338 Lapua.
That warranty is great too.
I've bush bashed and dragged the Razor through all kinds of terrain, been bounced around in the truck, never dropped it's zero.
Maybe its just my eyes or something. I find the cronus better. But its good to hear. Weight wouldnt be bad but for huntingPurchased my first Vortex Razor last year in September.
The weight does not bother me, and I just love the solid and reliable construction.
Optically, I find it very good.
Liked it so much, I've bought another one for my AI .338 Lapua.
That warranty is great too.
I've bush bashed and dragged the Razor through all kinds of terrain, been bounced around in the truck, never dropped it's zero.
I received my NX8 4-32 yesterday and played at different ranges today and last night in low light. Maybe I got a ringer, but this thing is impressive. CF2D reticle is also great. Based on .2 mil hash @ 16X, so very useful at different ranges, and only 29 oz.
I got my bushnell xrs2 today did some looking at 1 mile on some gongs and rocks ect. The glass is so close between the cronus and xrs2 but i say cronus edges it out ever so slightly. But both so great. Now the turrets xrs2 wins hands down and the xrs2 is feature rich compared to the cronus. But cronus has illumination and better reticles. Xrs2 has the h59 they were sold out of g3. Its almost a coin flip for me. Lowlight will see what the bushnell has later on
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