escape from kalifornia?

[BugSniper]

Re: escape from kalifornia?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EventHorizon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So my not agreeing with you makes me a liar? Oh boy.
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No, not a liar. You were questioning things that to many were akin to questioning that we revolve around the sun, not some theoretical stance personal to me. You would like to have thought insisting on facts would make us look foolish. You thought the facts were on your side, being unaware of them, apparently. The Mechanic did the simple, but tedious, job of directing you to several facts I was taking for granted, so I thanked him. I can't imagine you'll try and argue them further, being a rational man who wants everyone to present facts as a basis for belief.

You will only be lying to yourself if you choose to not accept facts, but that was a strong trait amongst Californians when I lived there, so you might just be one after all.

On topic, I used to go to Hemet to catch gopher snakes and nice desert colored California Kings. I caught my first gecko there too. Cool place, at least to visit.

 

[EventHorizon]

Re: escape from kalifornia?

Bug,

Mechanic pointed to a net, aggregated figure of migration. I never questioned migration, it however does nothing to support your views. There were I think 24 states that had net positive inflows of people. Those inflows added to to greater than the 1.5million that left CA. Therefore, not all inflows to to the other 49 were from CA.

Also, the data that Mechanic kindly provided had nothing to do with how those migrating CAs actually voted or what 'views' they hold. For all you know they could have been right-wingers wanting to leave a leftist state...

So whilst figures were presented, no FACTS about how Californians have undermined other states have been presented.

Let me break it down for you so you understand:

Hypothesis 1: All migrating Californians take with them leftist views that they then implement by voting unanimously for leftist/liberal politicians in their new local elections.

Hypothesis 2: The number of migrating Californians is such that WHEREVER they go to, there is enough of them to swing the vote to their favor in whatever election they are in.

Hypothesis 3: For Hypothesis 1&2 to be true, also it would mean that the political views and voter demographics of the locations to which the Californians have moved to will not have changed from previous elections. Therefore, any change in local politics will be able to be directly attributable to the influx of leftist voting Californians.

If you can provide data to prove or disprove the above then you're on you way to a fact as opposed to doing a merry dance around nothing more than a statistic of net migration patterns.

FYI - I do live in CA, I do not work in media/fashion/Hollywood. I work as a director in data management company and I have a B.Sc In Economics with a bias to quantitative methods. I think I have some grounding in being able to determine a statistic from a fact. What are your credentials seeing as you see yourself fit to cast doubt upon mine?

 

[HotIce]

Re: escape from kalifornia?

Oh boy, I thought CA was the worst, gun laws wise, until I looked up MA.

 

[The Mechanic]

Re: escape from kalifornia?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EventHorizon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Bug,
Mechanic pointed to a net, aggregated figure of migration. I never questioned migration, it however does nothing to support your views. There were I think 24 states that had net positive inflows of people. Those inflows added to to greater than the 1.5million that left CA. Therefore, not all inflows to to the other 49 were from CA.

Also, the data that Mechanic kindly provided had nothing to do with how those migrating CAs actually voted or what 'views' they hold. For all you know they could have been right-wingers wanting to leave a leftist state...

So whilst figures were presented, no FACTS about how Californians have undermined other states have been presented.

Let me break it down for you so you understand:

Hypothesis 1: All migrating Californians take with them leftist views that they then implement by voting unanimously for leftist/liberal politicians in their new local elections.

Hypothesis 2: The number of migrating Californians is such that WHEREVER they go to, there is enough of them to swing the vote to their favor in whatever election they are in.
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I think that using probability as a basis for voting.
Given the voting base in California (To be more accurate I should use districts and local area population loss) having a significant left slant you would have to say that as a group, the migration loss SHOULD (using probability) slant those views to the left of "most states".

If we also calculate the states that these people migrate from. An example would be a migration of voters from Berkley California to Lubbock Texas (most liberal to most conservative) would swing that area more as opposed to say Berkley to New York City. Again this would be a study of probability without using an actual sampling. However I have been using NON-immigrant numbers so the likelihood of them being voters is higher.

 

[jeffersonv]

Re: escape from kalifornia?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: HotIce</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Oh boy, I thought CA was the worst, gun laws wise, until I looked up MA.
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Here's an article on gun laws by state if you're interested.

Gun Laws in the United States (by state)

 

[EventHorizon]

Re: escape from kalifornia?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: The Mechanic</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I think that using probability as a basis for voting.
Given the voting base in California (To be more accurate I should use districts and local area population loss) having a significant left slant you would have to say that as a group, the migration loss SHOULD (using probability) slant those views to the left of "most states".</div></div>

This is very assumptive. Principally, the assumption is that those who leave CA only go to those States where the political climate is opposite. It's not like CA is the only leftist state in the US, and even then, not all districts in all states are politically homogenous.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: The Mechanic</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If we also calculate the states that these people migrate from. An example would be a migration of voters from Berkley California to Lubbock Texas (most liberal to most conservative) would swing that area more as opposed to say Berkley to New York City. </div></div>

Of course, the migration of one person from Berkley to Lubbock would be a dilution - though statistically insignificant. I'd also question the likelihood of such a move and especially the likelihood of such a migration in number significant enough to change the voting balance.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: The Mechanic</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Also this would be a study of probability without using an actual sampling. However I have been using NON-immigrant numbers so the likelihood of them being voters is higher. </div></div>

Not least, there is no data captured (that I could find and certainly non provided by the 'hate CA brigade') that shows HOW the migrant CAs have voted in their new locations. When I moved to the US at first I found myself to be very left of center of American politics. Since then I've seen myself moving further and further to the Right, (I've stopped at the point where anymore Right and I'd be admiring how well-read Palin is and objective Rush's viewpoints are).

My only point in this thread is this - if one is going to have an opinion on something, especially their fellow citizens, then they owe it to themselves to have those opinions based on actual FACTS, not just a few phone calls and nods and raised glasses in a bar when someone regurgitates a learned sound-byte.

CA is liberal, it's loony tunes when it comes to guns, it's discriminatory and anti-Constitutional in it's own State constitution, but it's just so damned...nice to live here that I don't want to give up on it.

 

[splean]

Re: escape from kalifornia?

To quote a well known Californian, "Can we all just get along?"

 

[The Mechanic]

Re: escape from kalifornia?

My assumptions are based on probability...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">An assumption is a proposition that is taken for granted, as if it were true based upon presupposition without preponderance of the facts.

a measure of how likely it is that some event will occur; a number expressing the ratio of favorable cases to the whole number of cases possible ..</div></div>

I do see your point about California. I have not disagreed with you in any way about the pluses here. Just that there are a lot of negatives also.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: The Mechanic</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I love my area. It is pretty conservative, all of my family lives here, I love the weather, and I love that in one day can go from the beach, to the mountains, and to the desert. The gun laws absolutely suck ass. As previously stated if there was a place like Southern California that had Arizona laws and regs I would move in a second.</div></div>

 

[Emergencynrse]

Re: escape from kalifornia?

Kalifornia is bankrupt.

As a guest-worker here in the Golden-State it is only a matter of time before things come crashing down.
I'm taking my money and run.(It's been a good run).

I'm told that the magic date is July 1st when fiscal year 2011 begins. Cali will have to reckon with its 12.3 BILLION dollar deficit from last year. Furloughs and reductions in government services didn't even come close to covering the problem. The state can't carry debt so come July 1st all hell is suppose to break loose. ...in theory anyway. It's going to be interesting.

Federal bailout for states? Probably. Plenty of checks left in the Obama checkbook. No money in the account but hey, he can write checks. Look for the next "economic downturn" coming soon to a theater near you.


And it's not just Cali.

Wherever you go, wherever you are... the absolute BEST thing you can do for yourself is to get out of debt. Totally and completely.
You don't want to "owe" when the music stops.

Not a doom & gloom-er, not wearing a foil hat. The writing is on the wall... it's UGLY

 

[sharac]

Re: escape from kalifornia?

Jesus here we don't even have calculators that have so many digit places

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This debt society is really coming to an end as those numbers are as ridiculous as bank notes during inflation. I remember in 80s in Yugo we had hyperinflation and a prime minister or finance minister would come to a news and say "Dear suckers (not exact words though

) from today on government is cutting last 4 zeros from all bank notes" I guess todays leaders are smarter they know that cutting numbers is to obvious so they do their "bandaids" bondthingies, bailouts, swaps transfers but in essence upper table will be reset to a few zeros less

.

 

[echotango]

Re: escape from kalifornia?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sharac</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Jesus here we don't even have calculators that have so many digit places

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It's called scientific notation

 

[Fredo]

Re: escape from kalifornia?

rofl at Nevada spending 47.3% more imaginary money then California.

What is the source for that data?

 

[HotIce]

Re: escape from kalifornia?

That makes CA actually look good, percent-wise.

 

[Long_Trang]

Re: escape from kalifornia?

Bugsniper,

I don't mean to offend, but you stated something that caught my interest and I'm sitting on something that needs said. I've lived in SoCal 35 years. 10 of those years in Hemet. You said you caught your first gecko in Hemet? I'm sorry, bro. There are no geckos indigenous to SoCal. At least none that I ever saw in 35 years.
Perhaps you caught a regular lizard and thought it was a gecko?

 

[The Mechanic]

Re: escape from kalifornia?

He means Gieco. He got a really good rate on his car insurance

 

[Long_Trang]

Re: escape from kalifornia?

LOL
So easy...a caveman can do it.

 

[Queequeg]

Re: escape from kalifornia?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Khan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">LOL
So easy...a caveman can do it. </div></div>

Very funny...

Could you leave us out of this? Our TV show was a flop, people deride out hairy knuckles and sloping foreheads and you have to drag us into this important thread...

 

[BugSniper]

Re: escape from kalifornia?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Khan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Bugsniper,

I don't mean to offend, but you stated something that caught my interest and I'm sitting on something that needs said. I've lived in SoCal 35 years. 10 of those years in Hemet. You said you caught your first gecko in Hemet? I'm sorry, bro. There are no geckos indigenous to SoCal. At least none that I ever saw in 35 years.
Perhaps you caught a regular lizard and thought it was a gecko? </div></div>

I actually already went through this with OP. There are geckos most definitely indigenous to California
http://geckoweb.org/profile/coleonyx-variegatus-variegatus

I do forgive your ignorance nonetheless as it's not something you see every day. They are not easy to find even when looking.

 

[Fredo]

Re: escape from kalifornia?

New rifle camo pattern.

 

[Shooter McGavin]

Re: escape from kalifornia?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EmergencyNrse</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Kalifornia is bankrupt.

As a guest-worker here in the Golden-State it is only a matter of time before things come crashing down.
I'm taking my money and run.(It's been a good run).

I'm told that the magic date is July 1st when fiscal year 2011 begins. Cali will have to reckon with its 12.3 BILLION dollar deficit from last year. Furloughs and reductions in government services didn't even come close to covering the problem. The state can't carry debt so come July 1st all hell is suppose to break loose. ...in theory anyway. It's going to be interesting.

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I am leaving tomorrow to go find a place to live in Texas. It's funny you mention July 1st because that will be the move in date. I can't wait to celebrate that I won't be paying CA taxes anymore.

Jamie

 

[BugSniper]

Re: escape from kalifornia?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fredo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">New rifle camo pattern. </div></div>

My favorite would be gopher snakes for that

http://www.californiaherps.com/snakes/pages/p.c.catenifer.html

and maybe something like these when you're chilling up on the granite

 

[Shooter McGavin]

Re: escape from kalifornia?

My escape is almost complete. Just got back from Mckinney, TX. Hope to have everything settled by Thursday and ready for move in on July 1st. Now to find a good place to take the family for a fire works show.

Jamie

 

[W54/XM-388]

Re: escape from kalifornia?

Welcome to the Neighborhood. For fireworks shows, Plano, Frisco and Allen all put on pretty good shows, you just have to check which one is on which date as they stagger them a bit over the 4th of July.

 

[Shooter McGavin]

Re: escape from kalifornia?

Thanks

 

[teknikallysekure]

Re: escape from kalifornia?

All you people in other states are assholes. Also don't come here.

 

[The Mechanic]

Re: escape from kalifornia?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: COURAGEWOLF</div><div class="ubbcode-body">All you people in other states are assholes. Also don't come here.</div></div>

Here where? You don't have your profile filled out....

 

[Inogame]

Re: escape from kalifornia?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fredo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">rofl at Nevada spending 47.3% more imaginary money then California.

What is the source for that data? </div></div>

Much of Nevada's tax revenue is from Gambling. Their tax base was particularly devastated by the downturn because of the drop in visits to Vegas and such. (Their housing base was also decimated by the housing crash)
Though the % is significant, the $ amount is much easier to handle via cost cutting than say my state of IL which is not only in a heap of trouble, but still refuses to recognize we are becoming Michigan.

 

[teknikallysekure]

Re: escape from kalifornia?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: The Mechanic</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: COURAGEWOLF</div><div class="ubbcode-body">All you people in other states are assholes. Also don't come here.</div></div>

Here where? You don't have your profile filled out.... </div></div> Fixed that forgot I'd taken it out

 

[HotIce]

Re: escape from kalifornia?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: The Mechanic</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: COURAGEWOLF</div><div class="ubbcode-body">All you people in other states are assholes. Also don't come here.</div></div>

Here where? You don't have your profile filled out.... </div></div>
I'm guessing Oregon ...

 

[patriotoutlaw]

Re: escape from kalifornia?

Congratulations on your escape. Any locale in The Republic of Texas would have to be a step up. I'm sure there are some sheep in wolves clothing (yeah that was intentional) from CA on here that would disagree. But just as I would do my best to stay away from any other left-leaning states, I'll be damned if I'd want to live in CA. That's just me...