factory vs custom

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coulthard_west

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ok guys, heres the thing. alot of you guys on here shoot custom built rifles going anywhere from 2000 to 4000 dollars while others like me shoot factory rifles ranging from 600 to 1500 dollars. ive shot both factory and custom rifles with both factory and hand loads and cant find where the increase in accuracy is with the custom guns. whether it be off a rest or a bipod and bag. what gives?
 
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I am no expert here as I have shot mostly factory guns, but I can tell you from examining prices, performance, etc. in this and nearly every other field- it's all about diminishing returns. The cost to get from a 90% effective product to a 95% product is oftentimes the cost of the 90% product to begin with
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. Likewise, getting from 95% to 97% is another doubling. And so on and so forth...

It's just a factor of having the cash and wanting something that much better. A $600 Savage will get you 1 MOA (likely better). A $4000 custom rig will get you 0.5 MOA. So you've raised the cost by a factor of 8 for a difference of 5" at 1000 yards. (And with those two bolt guns, reliability should be extremely high in either case.) I'm not saying it's not a reasonable expense- if there's a market and people want it, why shouldn't they be sold at those prices? I'm just saying the difference in quality is far, far, far, from linear with cost.

The better you get and the more you care, the more you'll notice those little differences, and perhaps be willing to pay for them.

The same goes for pool cues, surfboards, automobiles (past a certain point), TVs- anything. They're all just pay-to-play activities.
 
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I have both and I can not say the reliability is better in one or the other, same goes for accuracy if you get a good factory barrel its great but you can also get a crummy fancy barrel, I have had good and bad in both.
 
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Here's an analogy that may or may not show the difference.

Say I like to race cars. I go and buy a "sports" car and take it to the track. It will turn respectable times and make most average drivers happy.

But I want to race all day long for days on end, and I don't want to have to repair my car constantly. So I build my car with solid parts designed specifically for the type of racing I'm going to be doing. That way I hedge my bets that my car is not going to fail, or break at the most inopportune moment. The car *may* not be faster, but it is more reliable and slightly faster.
 
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Here's where I see an advantage

With a custom gun you can have a tight custom chamber.Chambered with your own reamer, ground to your specks.

For instance you can pick say 308 win ,but you want to use Lapua brass only and turn the necks.You can have the reamer ground specifically for Lapua 308 brass.The neck on that same reamer can be ground for a neck turn only neck 3-4 thou smaller than normal with 1 thou neck expansion when fired.Also you can order the reamer ground for throating on a long VLD bullet.

Then, the best thing to do is have custom dies made for your specific chamber.Using this system has really made a difference in my custom rifles.

This is where custom rifles really start to shine.And where accuracy really becomes apparent compared to factory, vs custom.

Steve
 
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Custom guns have a higher chicks dig it factor.

+ If you have factory rigs that shoot 1/4MOA or 3/8th MOA you are one lucky SOB.

I have yet to see a factory keep up with my 260 KMW.

What kind of groups are you getting? At distance?
 
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ok bigbrother, i have a savage 10fp hs prec that i paid 850 for brand new and the tightest group ive goten out of it was 1 inch at 300 and 1 hoe at 100. all with a 5 shot group. so i dont see where another 3 grand would do me any better.

and mike, ive been around racing my whole life. my dad took me to see my first drag race when i was 3 and i know for a fact that even with expensive parts for this so called consistency those parts will be put under strain and break. ive seen cars, drag and road cars alike, have many aftermarket parts installed on them to help the cars handle better, make the quicker or faster and still break the same. the better the part you add on the harder that part will be pushed and the worse the damage will be. most factory stuff are stocked and easier to obtain and is just as reliable a machined part. where as a custom part cost more, was built by hand, then machined down to fit, and will altimatly fail as well. so why spend 4000 when 1000 will do just as good?
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Vu</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Custom guns have a higher chicks dig it factor.

+ If you have factory rigs that shoot 1/4MOA or 3/8th MOA you are one lucky SOB.

I have yet to see a factory keep up with my 260 KMW.

What kind of groups are you getting? At distance?</div></div>

so far with a 178 amax, 308 lapua brass, winchester primers, and 43.8 grains of reloader 15, oal of 2.840 and the sitting about 25 thousands off the lands at about 2680 fps. 200 yards ive gotten a 3/4 in group and at 300 ive gotten 1 inch
 
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i've had a lot of factory rifles and none would shoot with any of my custom rifles. by custom, i mean just an action true and Hart, Krieger, or Lilja barrel installed and a new stock of some sort. still short of full custom, but huge improvement over off-the-rack rifles i have been around
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: s.i.t.</div><div class="ubbcode-body">ok guys, heres the thing. alot of you guys on here shoot custom built rifles going anywhere from 2000 to 4000 dollars while others like me shoot factory rifles ranging from 600 to 1500 dollars. ive shot both factory and custom rifles with both factory and hand loads and cant find where the increase in accuracy is with the custom guns. whether it be off a rest or a bipod and bag. what gives? </div></div>

Question,... Have you ever owned or used a custom?

Small groups on target, is not the full test of a weapon.

I've a GAP 300wm w/a 22X SN-3 that went off a 30 foot roof via one of Uncles DOD/DOE Fucksticks. She hit barrel first,(live rd in chamber/Jewell trigger, never went off) an still beat every other stick an shooter there. Oh, forgot to say, she had only shot 8-10 rds of that 50 rd gig before the fall, and still took first place. She is marked, scared, an ulgy but still good for a money shot/s.

What kind of test has your stock stick been threw?

I used to think the 700 PSS I had was it,... until my first GAP. Day vs Night, no contest when push comes to shove.

 
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This is what I noticed on my first custom. When I shoot my factory stock firearm I seem to need to really pay attn to what I'm doing to really shoot well. With my custom, it just seemed to want to shoot accurate. It gave me the confidence level to shoot better knowing that it was going to go where I wanted it to. Maybe it's just me but I can shoot better with it. Maybe I'm wierd.
 
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I've yet to own a factory rifle that when the barrel got really hot the groups didn't open up. Also as a cleaning slacker I never clean with less that 300 rounds and normally go to 500 before a patch runs down the barrel, at around a 1000 I'll brush. Never seen a factory tube able to handle that and maintain accuracy.
 
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ha ha, i let my granpa read this, i korean war vet, and he has just one question. why spend 4000 on a custom rifle just to make you shoot better. him and i both own factory rifles and have both shot a custom rifle or 2. his motto is, "if you can do it with something cheap, you ought not be doing it at all".
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: s.i.t.</div><div class="ubbcode-body">ha ha, i let my granpa read this, i korean war vet, and he has just one question. why spend 4000 on a custom rifle just to make you shoot better. him and i both own factory rifles and have both shot a custom rifle or 2. his motto is, "if you can do it with something cheap, you ought not be doing it at all". </div></div>

My friend.....then you have answered your own question, in your situation a savage is all you need, you don't NEED a custom rifle.....Oh, and I don't know about you, but be sure to thank your "Grandpa" for his service from the rest of us.
 
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I agree with the diminishing returns idea. nonetheless, I just had a custom built after shooting factory's for years and I will never go back if i can help it. gonna give my factory rem700 a full custom makeover after jan 1st. cant wait
 
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Take that factory gun to 8-900 yards and subject it to the punishment of a tac comp or school and you will find it's short comings rather quickly.These are the same places that the $500 scopes that are just as good as the expensive ones get served.I'm not saying the top end stuff can't fail your just reduceing the probability.

 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dmg308</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Take that factory gun to 8-900 yards and subject it to the punishment of a tac comp or school and you will find it's short comings rather quickly.These are the same places that the $500 scopes that are just as good as the expensive ones get served.I'm not saying the top end stuff can't fail your just reduceing the probability.

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This actually raises a question I had- assuming equal (or close to it) spins and muzzle velocities, will a stock rifle shooting at 0.5 MOA @ 100y and a custom rig shooting the same look the same at longer distances? (Same load, same bullet, etc.) I can't for the life of me think why ballistics should change if the 100y target shows the same grouping width- after all, once the bullet has left the muzzle it doesn't care where it came from
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Thoughts?
 
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When you say "factory" do you imply straight out of the box?
If so, get a trigger job done on your rifle and then shoot it.
Then, have it bedded properly and shoot it.
After that, have it trued and shoot it.
Still then, screw a aftermarket tube on it and shoot it.
All little things make a difference.

Proud KMW .308 owner. Terry Cross guns are scary accurate.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BigBrother</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dmg308</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Take that factory gun to 8-900 yards and subject it to the punishment of a tac comp or school and you will find it's short comings rather quickly.These are the same places that the $500 scopes that are just as good as the expensive ones get served.I'm not saying the top end stuff can't fail your just reduceing the probability.

</div></div>

This actually raises a question I had- assuming equal (or close to it) spins and muzzle velocities, will a stock rifle shooting at 0.5 MOA @ 100y and a custom rig shooting the same look the same at longer distances? (Same load, same bullet, etc.) I can't for the life of me think why ballistics should change if the 100y target shows the same grouping width- after all, once the bullet has left the muzzle it doesn't care where it came from
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Thoughts? </div></div>

Take a factory 308win an put 20 rds on a 300 yd target in 8 min, then do the same thing with a custom stick an compare the groups.

If you really want to see the difference do the same with a 300wm or larger. Now I know some of you guys are worried about burning up your barrel while doing that. Well I own no safe queens and don't get my test data from print or hear say.
I'm a proud owner of a Rock Barreled, 300wm, GAP, that has w/5100rds down the tube an it still shoots 3/8 to 3/4 moa depending on me. If I would have believed everything I heard an seen on the net I would be out about 3.4 barrels by now. Test data is great if it's w/o agenda an true.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: s.i.t.</div><div class="ubbcode-body">ok guys, heres the thing. alot of you guys on here shoot custom built rifles going anywhere from 2000 to 4000 dollars while others like me shoot factory rifles ranging from 600 to 1500 dollars. ive shot both factory and custom rifles with both factory and hand loads and cant find where the increase in accuracy is with the custom guns. whether it be off a rest or a bipod and bag. what gives?</div></div>


i see from your profile that you turn a wrench for a living......do you get by with cheap imported tools to ply your trade....or do you utilize the best available in your marketplace such as craftsman or some other well made tools ?
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: s.i.t.</div><div class="ubbcode-body">well that depends.i dont trust the people i work with all that much. and besides, in mt trade, the company provides my tools</div></div>


....well i guess that says it all then.......
 
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ryan, around a half moa at 100. and to you boltripper, i have cheap tools in my possesion that have out lasted my craftsmen and my snap on tools.i have a 14mm snapon open end wrench that has been replaced at least 4 times for breaking, yet the cheap brand i bought from lows is still kicking strong. so explain to me what is so good about buying axpensive tools if the cheap ones are not only outlasting them, but out performing them?
 
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I think the horse is dead here. If you want to shoot 1k then do what it takes. Buy/build the gun that YOU want or that YOU can afford etc. If a guy drives a Porsche to work, i'm sure a toyota camry would get him there the same, but thats not what he WANTS.
 
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Most people get factory rifles they are very happy with, but with any massed produced product you'll have a dud every now and then. When one purchases a custom they can count on it being right, and if not the builder will make it right because their reputation is their livelihood. That's for those of us who engage in shooting because we enjoy it.

Someone who makes their living behind the trigger has to know how that rifle will perform hot, cold, when the ambient temperature is hot or cold, when its rainy or sunny and whether it's dirty or clean and with any other variable you can throw in there.

Most custom builders (good ones anyway) will support thier product for the life of the rifle and in many cases fix or renew a broken product even when the problem might not be their fault. Again, ther reputation is their livlihood.

So the original question is whether it's worht it to purchase a custom. The answer, as with most scenarios, is it depends.
 
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What do you want to do with it?
If you are just going to shoot for fun, an "out of the box" rifle is fine.
If you want to compete, and be competitive, maybe after a little time under your belt, you can/would graduate to a custom gun.

An FN is an out of the box shooter, I don't think there are alot (there are some) here that will dispute that. I have a few that will shoot sub MOA without running handloads.
Controlled round feed, claw extractor, hammer forged barrel, and comes with a rail already installed.

Put glass on it and go shoot.

 
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It's my belief that that a good shooter can make either rifle shoot to the shooter's potential, and that an exceptional shooter will find more personal potential in a more precisely crafted firearm.

I think that when choosing to upgrade either the shooter or the rifle, the sequence should be shooter first, rifle next.

Some will find that the upgraded rifle improves their performance, and some won't. The former can benefit, the latter need to work on their own skills before they can reap benefit.

This is a matter where we need to be completely honest with ourselves.

My suggestion would be to try something along the lines of what you have in mind before you make up the list of specs and start saving the money.

If the borrowed rifle helps, get a better rifle.

If it doesn't, get a bunch of .22LR ammo and a reasonably reliable practice rifle, and bring the shooter up to spec.

Either way, it's money well spent, but be sure you know where the money needs to go before you get the level of excitement built up in any one direction or the other.

Greg
 
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SIT - You have gotten answers and responses (much of them the same), are you seeing a pattern here. I'm not trying to be smart, I too have a Savage 10FP that is a shooter and felt I could hang with anyone with it. The gun can do 1 inch at 300, but not every time when it is called upon to do so.

I had Randy at R & D build my first custom and once you go custom it is hard to go back. First shoot out with it and Won a Bench match off a bi-pod. When I shoot now, the bullet goes were it is suppose too every time as long as I do my part properly. Same goes for my friend who built his first custom 3 years ago, has not brought his factory rig to a match since. Took both of us a couple years to save the funds and get the equipment to put them together the way we wanted them, but well worth it.



Good Luck,

JamieD

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I would be willing to bet my out of the box TRG is every bit as durable, accurate and reliable as any custom gun. When we say out of the box, that implies many different levels, and I think the TRG is at the top along with the custom guns.

On this thread, Lowlight has posted a 15 dot drill using 1/2 inch dots at 100 yards. The only target cleaned with a center fire is mine using an out of the box TRG 22. On my TRG 42 300Win Mag target I missed one. Lets see you guys with these super custom rigs post some targets and put us out of the box gun people to shame!

http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=724840&page=1


I appreciate the craftsmanship that goes into the custom rigs, and you get what you pay for. To be honest, I think some of the custom gun buyers would be better off saving money on the gun and buying more ammo to practice with. In the end, each person has to decide what they feel comfortable with, and its their money, so they can buy what they want.
 
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I just looked on gun broker and at $2600.00 plus shipping, you get to play against factory rigs with what should be a custom build at that price. And it better shoot! That is about the same money I have in my .260 Rem in an AICS.

That is a Diff league than a Savage 10FP and if someone is spending that kind of money they might as well build excactly what they want rather than having to choose from only what the factory offers.

JamieD

 
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The simple formula-- buy the best you can afford.

Custom is the top of the line
Followed by the "factory rebuild"
Last but not least is factory.

The difference can be made up to a small degree by your shooting skills (it doesn't matter what you have if you suck)

AND

how you feed the rifle-- save a little money after your purchase for the finest optics and some reloading gear.

It may not shoot like a custom rifle but it will be as close as you can get without having to re-mortgage your house. You will have time to go shooting because you won't have to work 2 jobs to pay for your setup.

With the game of rifle fire it is more a matter of your mastership over what you have. One rifle that you always shoot throughout all times of the year is more likely to be mastered. The key word is SHOOT. If you are broke or always working you may not shoot as much.

ADDED -- I started out with a factory PSS in 308. Have had it blueprinted once and rebarreled twice. Over the last 15 years with the same rifle (my only rifle) -- I have invested less than the cost of a custom rifle-- no it doesn't shoot as good as a custom rifle but the money I have put into it has been spread out over a long time-- and I have done a lot of shooting (I only work one job) and it shoots good enough for my enjoyment.
 
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sone people just like to have nice shit and i am one of them.
when i shoot i want to know that ,in my mind,ihave the best
equipmwnt available.I can go to the line knowing that if I
miss it is my fault and there is no thought in the back of
my mind that the miss might be my equipment
just my 1.39 this fine Sunday morning.Shoot to enjoy
whatever you choose to use.

pauley
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: s.i.t.</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Vu</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Custom guns have a higher chicks dig it factor.

+ If you have factory rigs that shoot 1/4MOA or 3/8th MOA you are one lucky SOB.

I have yet to see a factory keep up with my 260 KMW.

What kind of groups are you getting? At distance?</div></div>

so far with a 178 amax, 308 lapua brass, winchester primers, and 43.8 grains of reloader 15, oal of 2.840 and the sitting about 25 thousands off the lands at about 2680 fps. 200 yards ive gotten a 3/4 in group and at 300 ive gotten 1 inch </div></div>

S.I.T,

How often do you get those groups? Every gun will print those type of groups if you shoot enough. However customs do that on demand when it counts. I buy customs so that when I hoot comps I know it's me that blew that match or blew that stage...not the hardware or ammo.

4,000.00 to 6000.00 for a custom including scope is not bad once you figure out the other cost of competition shooting.
Example: Match Entry Fee to a big match 200.00
Plane ticket: We can use TX as an example for the bash or hide cup. 500.00 +
Ammo: 200.00 - 250.00 (Not including training up for the match)
Hotel for a few days. 300.00
3 to 4 days off - cost varies for different people...however time away from your family is hard to put a price on. Or guys that do not get paid unless they are at work...figure that sum in.

Having major hardware failure or having equipment that does not allow you to be consistent enough to be competitive be could frustrating to say the least.

Below is an example why I own a rig built by Terry Cross of KMW Long Range Solutions. I am by no means a great trigger puller compared to some of the men I have shot against...however I do scare em once in a great while.
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This was the last time I zeroed. Dirty bore of 350 to 400 rounds down range with no cleaning.

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This next set was all shot on the same day at our last LR match.

500 and 600 yard head shots.
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500 yard time exposure targets. 6 second firing time per 2 shots. 6 shots total in 18 seconds. 3 Xs and 3 10s
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800yard 3 shot group.
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Best 1K 3 shot group.
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And the shot I will remember for a while........
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I ganked this shot so bad I didn't bother looking to through the scope to see where it hit. Dropped 50pts on the first shot and it cost me 1st and 2nd place. Having a consistent rig like my KMW allows me to call those shots and not doubt my hardware or loads.

So all this combined with "just because I can" justifies the amount of cash I spend on customs..
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my choke was closer than your choke
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. that cbs was the difference between 1st place and 4th or 6th place for me. i think it got a lot of people that day
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custom or factory, you still need to learn your rifle. this is pretty typical of my <span style="font-style: italic">custom</span> rifle's capabilities at 600 yards. i don't consider myself that great of a trigger puller either.

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it shoots tight groups but i still need to learn where to put them as evidence from the pic. it will be much easier to learn the rifle if it is consistent though. if you have a factory rifle that will keep up with a good custom at distance, more power to you. i think that is going to be rare though.
 
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yes... Download the 15 dot drill on the thread I posted, and show us how consistent your rifle is.

I agree and disagree with a few things you said.
***Every gun will print those type of groups if you shoot enough*** BINGO! thats my point.

***However customs do that on demand when it counts***
BS! If thats the case, Every guy at a comp with a custom gun would beat me, and they dont. The shooter is what makes the gun hit its mark!

 
#45
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I think there are two different things going on here....one is plain ol accuracy....I have/and had some awesome shooting "out of the box" rifles. I'm talking sub 1/2" five shot groups at 100yrds.

The 2nd thing is quality and durability.

A tac driving out the box gun that will shoot as well as a full custom can be had for cheap. And it is great for weekend shooting at the range, hunting,etc.

Then you have the full blown custom built rifle that people use for comps, work,etc. Something they can drop,drag,beat to hell, and it will still shoot as it should.

All I use my rifles for is the former....I do not do tactical matches...or HALO into indian country....or use it in a life or death situation.
And so I am happy knowing that my rifles can and do shoot sub 1/2" groups and that my scopes are bright and clear....and I still have money to buy ammo,etc.

So S.I.T. it all comes down to YOU and what you want or need from your rifle....if your happy with how your rifle shoots and the way it's set up...then roll with it.

Heck...I have a like new TRG-22 that has only 200rds through it that is a safe queen at this point. I have more fun shooting my $600 Tikka (that out shoots my TRG by the way) cause it is easy to pack around....I don't get upset if I scratch it...and it fills the roll of what I am using it for (varmint hunting).

Do what is right for YOU....not what you think others feel is the right thing.

Take care,Stan
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Super Bee 950</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I would be willing to bet my out of the box TRG is every bit as durable, accurate and reliable as any custom gun. When we say out of the box, that implies many different levels, and I think the TRG is at the top along with the custom guns.

On this thread, Lowlight has posted a 15 dot drill using 1/2 inch dots at 100 yards. The only target cleaned with a center fire is mine using an out of the box TRG 22. On my TRG 42 300Win Mag target I missed one. Lets see you guys with these super custom rigs post some targets and put us out of the box gun people to shame!

http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=724840&page=1


I appreciate the craftsmanship that goes into the custom rigs, and you get what you pay for. To be honest, I think some of the custom gun buyers would be better off saving money on the gun and buying more ammo to practice with. In the end, each person has to decide what they feel comfortable with, and its their money, so they can buy what they want. </div></div>

which do your trgs fit into on s.i.t.'s first post? the $600-$1500 factory or the $2000-$4000 custom?

edit: you are obviously a good trigger puller as evidenced by your "dot" targets. i just don't think the trg is what s.i.t. was using as a "factory" rifle for comparison.
 
#47
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Super Bee 950</div><div class="ubbcode-body">yes... Download the 15 dot drill on the thread I posted, and show us how consistent your rifle is.

I agree and disagree with a few things you said.
***Every gun will print those type of groups if you shoot enough*** BINGO! thats my point.

***However customs do that on demand when it counts***
BS! If thats the case, Every guy at a comp with a custom gun would beat me, and they dont. The shooter is what makes the gun hit its mark!

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I'll call it the way I see it. Not everyone with a custom gun can shoot - So I hope you beat someone. I'll be the first to say your not repeating that .75 group at 300 a couple times on any given day. Further more What scope are you running - I guess a Tasco. Would you apply your same thinking when it comes to a scope too : ) It's just a tool just like your rifle right.

JamieD

Also, as said above - you cannot compare your TRG to a standard factory rifle. Which by the way, I have spanked a few with my factory $800 Savage and it doesn't wear a Tasco.
 
#48
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Super Bee 950</div><div class="ubbcode-body">yes... Download the 15 dot drill on the thread I posted, and show us how consistent your rifle is.

I agree and disagree with a few things you said.
***Every gun will print those type of groups if you shoot enough*** BINGO! thats my point.

***However customs do that on demand when it counts***
BS! If thats the case, Every guy at a comp with a custom gun would beat me, and they dont. The shooter is what makes the gun hit its mark!

</div></div>

I figure you would have the sense to take the shooter out of the equation here since we are talking about hardware not shooter performance. 15 dot drill? That just shows how consistent a shooter is..not the hardware.

Good custom rigs allow a shooter to shoot to their full potential. You are lucky to have a box stock rifle shoot the way that one does. What kind of rifle is it? M700 5R?


 
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I owned two 700 5R's. One I added all the goodies....fully adjustable stock, Jewell trigger, Tubb firing pin,etc. It was a solid .75 rifle.

My BONE STOCK...no trigger jobs,bedding,etc...rifles below are examples of very accurate "out of the box" guns.

My TRG-22 is a solid .5 rifle.

My Tikka Tactical (.308) was a solid sub .5 rifle.

My new Tikka Lite (.223) is a sub .5 rifle. Just picked it up on Thursday and it has about 20rds through it so far.

Again....if we are just talking about accuracy that is one thing. If we are talking about a rifle that is used for "work" and can stand up to all kinds of abuse and keep on ticking...then a custom is the way to go.

Me...I am just a target and varmint shooter and do not need a rifle I can drop from 20'.

Here are some five shot groups from my Tikka's....the first is from my new .223 Lite and the others are from my Tactical model in .308. Oh...and I do not hand load...all my shooting is done with quality factory ammo.

Take care,Stan











 
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