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You do realize the Bolshevic/Trotsky types use the exact same verbiage as you whenever they are trying to gain momentum of the general populace for their "revolutions" they carry out, don't you?
What did I write that you disagree? Our govt and corporations work together to control the people. It’s obvious but Fauci’s emails prove it. This is facism.
A Police officer’s job is to protect the govt system. People are perceiving the govt system as hostile therefore they will perceive those enforcing its laws and protecting this very system as hostile. This is what I said above just in different words. Which part do you disagree with? We can debate it.
As always, beware of those that come in saying "there should be no masters", almost always they want to become the new masters but need your help to get there because they can't destroy the current masters on their own.
A police officer's job isn't to protect the government system. Their job is to enforce the laws written by the legislature. The Uniparty politicians and their financial backers maintain the government system at this time.
Yes, we do agree on a lot of things, but I'm either not jaded as you or not as much of an internet tough guy. What's clear to me is you have already made up your mind as to how the "sides" are to be set based on your posts over the last several months. That's fine and dandy. You have your opinion, I have my own which I keep to myself more often than not, because Internet.
Apparently, irony doesn’t translate well. Obviously, child porn sites are criminal enterprises that should be shut down. And, that is the point. Just as .gov should be hounding violent criminals instead of trampling on the rights of law abiding gun owners, .gov should be hounding child porn sites and not legitimate news outlets anc their customers. I really find it hard to believe that so many “constitutionalists” are so blind to how easily they piss away their rights in the name of “law and order.”
You say the word "constitutionalist". I don't think it means what you think it means.
"Hounding" as you put it is just asking through official means, a subpoena. It happens all the time throughout the justice system during investigations. The private entity is fighting the subpoena from the executive branch via the judicial branch. Executive vs judicial = check and balance. This is how the constitutional balance of power is supposed to work.
Would you rather LE not go though the legal pathways? Obtain Fraudulently warrants? Or stop investigations altogether just because it might hurt some feelings?
Do you think laws are enforced evenly? Do you think that our justice system is neutral? Do you think a businessman that was shut down by threats of violence from the police would have views that more closely match yours or mine? Do you think men that weren’t allowed to go to work because of threats from the police would have views that more closely match yours or mine? Do you think people that were harassed by the police for not wearing a mask and pushing back against tyranny would have views that more closely match yours or mine? Do you think those whose loved ones died alone in nursing homes and hospitals because of threats of force by the police would have views that would more closely match yours or mine? Do you think anything that I wrote above would be possible without threats of and up to police violence? Do you think politicians alone can control the masses without the force of the police and the justice system that they use against us and are immune to themselves?A police officer's job isn't to protect the government system. Their job is to enforce the laws written by the legislature. The Uniparty politicians and their financial backers maintain the government system at this time.
Yes, we do agree on a lot of things, but I'm either not jaded as you or not as much of an internet tough guy. What's clear to me is you have already made up your mind as to how the "sides" are to be set based on your posts over the last several months. That's fine and dandy. You have your opinion, I have my own which I keep to myself more often than not, because Internet.
You don’t have to like the reality in which we live, but denying it doesn't make it less real. The State is corrupt. So is all of it’s institutions without exception.
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Like I said. We agree. I don't like the reality we are in right now. Part of me is very happy all this stuff about law enforcement is coming out. After several courses in search & seizure as well as the 10.75 years wearing the badge I've been telling people the following for years, even while I was a cop:
If the government/police ever decided to start actually enforcing the law as the law is written AND in accordance with the various case law decisions by the courts, the citizens would wake up to a no-shit police state.
Most people look at me like I'm crazy whenever I say that because they have absolutely no idea how far down the hole we've gotten.
I knooowww LOL. Every time you're on a rant I'm like "oh boy, someone fed the gremlin after midnight"I was looking for you to disagree and answer my questions as I can go on for days
I've been like this since before Trump and 2020. Welcome.
I just keep things civil because background checks, security clearances, and career paths. But, like you said so eloquently no too long ago [paraphrase] "you can't trust anyone who collects a paycheck from taxpayer dollars"
Even though I don't, but I do, but not directly
A police officer's job isn't to protect the government system. Their job is to enforce the laws written by the legislature. The Uniparty politicians and their financial backers maintain the government system at this time.
I don't think anything can be changed until the wheel of time turns, but when the time comes that the hard men put their shoulders to the wheel to bring back the good times, perhaps those that survive can rebuild things learning the lessons from how the blindly utopian ideas of others failed miserably.
In my opinion, one of the biggest problems is that the citizens from the outset were happy to be lazy and pay / designate somebody else to manage everything. Then those that they paid or designated to do everything eventually became the masters. Perhaps in the next go around it might be worth considering that the citizens are not allowed to delegate away their agency and instead must each and every one be directly involved in deciding what rules must or must not be made and also be tasked with being directly involved in enforcing laws and directly dealing with consequences and reparations.
Much like the idea put forward in one of Heinlien's short stories, where the ability of the politicians to make war or things like war was removed completely, except for a small standing army to protect the country from sudden attack on it's own soil exclusively. For any and all other actions, the entire public of military service age was made to vote (and only those of that age could vote in such a situation) Yes, No, or Abstain. If the vote was passed yes, those that voted Yes, were expected to show up at their local designated bases to report for duty, if more troops were needed later, those that voted Abstain would next have to report and finally if things were really off the rails, those who voted No would have to also join if more than the first two groups was needed.
There are many other ideas that I think would help prevent us getting where we are now, but perhaps the fundamentals of not being allowed to delegate your agency and responsibility. In addition to not being allowed to infringe on anyone else's individual liberty and choices unless their choices can be directly proven to be causing you or your property harm would be a great start.
FBI calls someone a pedo and now everyone is calling him a pedo despite no EVIDENCE.
FBI calls Americans terrorists and suddenly we are all terrorists despite no Evidence.
Oh fbi...id like to report some real criminals.
Call me.
You got my #.
Don’t play games.
FBI calls Americans terrorists and suddenly we are all terrorists despite no Evidence.
Oh fbi...id like to report some real criminals.
Call me.
You got my #.
Don’t play games.
I admit, sometimes it's hard online to determine whether or not a person is being sarcastic. Here in the Bear Pit, with its tin-foil leaning demographic, it is especially so.
And, ".gov" IS hounding, as you put it, child porn sites as best they can. Unfortunately, it sometimes spills over (if that's your view of the subpoena) to news outlets and their customers. But, that subpoena is very specific, and the info in the return that is not relevant will be discarded. I would say, "trust me, I know," but I doubt you'll believe anything I say. That's unfortunate.
I'm not your enemy.
This is a huge issue that cuts right to the heart of most of the problems in this country. Often, it has become one or the other. Enforce as written, OR according to what a judge has declared it really means. There are a lot of judges who are a little too clever by half at coming up with bizarre rationales to "find" that the law means that which they wish it to mean, and not what the statute or Constitutional provision says at all.
Corruption and pregnancy have one thing in common. It isn't possible to be just a little bit pregnant.
Only Chicago monsters use full auto weapons ==> no full auto for anyone...
Only street hooligans use switchblades ==> no switchblades for anyone.
Only poachers use silencers ==> No suppressors for anyone.
Because... GWOT ==> Patriot Act. FISA Court. Etc. Only terrorists and criminals cry about privacy anyway.
Ernesto Miranda wasn’t a heroic champion of civil rights. He was a convicted peeping Tom, and convicted of kidnapping and rape. Who cares about a rapists’ “rights” anyway?
“Daddy, Daddy! There’s a monster under my bed. You gotta do something!”
“Ok honey. Get up and stand over there while I take the bed out of your room. You can sleep on the floor. Problem solved.”
“Thank you daddy. You’re the best!”
There will always be some boogie man that .gov will trot out to encourage you to willingly give up your rights. I mean, you’re not still having sex with kids, right?
Put one additional way. Work the phrase “shall not be infringed” into each of the enumerated rights in the Bill of rights. Then, see if you feel the same way about trampling them.
Only street hooligans use switchblades ==> no switchblades for anyone.
Only poachers use silencers ==> No suppressors for anyone.
Because... GWOT ==> Patriot Act. FISA Court. Etc. Only terrorists and criminals cry about privacy anyway.
Ernesto Miranda wasn’t a heroic champion of civil rights. He was a convicted peeping Tom, and convicted of kidnapping and rape. Who cares about a rapists’ “rights” anyway?
“Daddy, Daddy! There’s a monster under my bed. You gotta do something!”
“Ok honey. Get up and stand over there while I take the bed out of your room. You can sleep on the floor. Problem solved.”
“Thank you daddy. You’re the best!”
There will always be some boogie man that .gov will trot out to encourage you to willingly give up your rights. I mean, you’re not still having sex with kids, right?
Put one additional way. Work the phrase “shall not be infringed” into each of the enumerated rights in the Bill of rights. Then, see if you feel the same way about trampling them.
Meh. Either you are somebody who is willing to condemn entire classes of people, or you aren't. I'm not. While a healthy skepticism toward government is certainly warranted, to assume anybody who collects a government paycheck is shit is absurd. Individuals are still going to be individuals, even FBI agents. Assuming otherwise brings out the worst in the human character.I've been like this since before Trump and 2020. Welcome.
I just keep things civil because background checks, security clearances, and career paths. But, like you said so eloquently no too long ago [paraphrase] "you can't trust anyone who collects a paycheck from taxpayer dollars"
Even though I don't, but I do, but not directly
Oh you mean because the FBI would never flat out lie to get a subpoena or warrant that they could then go around using as a fishing expedition to see if they could dig up dirt on their political enemies and then when they find nothing else on them despite doing their best to dig up anything and everything, decide to go and falsify statement documents and then charge them with "lying to the FBI" and try their best to prosecute them as hard as they can, going even so far as to bribe and threaten the defendants lawyers, to get in on the fix....
OH wait, that is EXACTLY what the FBI just did recently, and thanks to our corrupt court system of fellow travelers, totally got away with even when it was exposed...
At this point, any small amount of good the FBI might accidentally happen to do, is vastly overshadowed by the brazen, in your face corruption, full on politicizing of the law and out right lies and deception as well as staging of events or purposely avoiding stopping tragic events for political gain, that they are constantly involved in.
The FBI might as well just admit they are nothing but the SS jackboots of the Democrat party.
I'm sure some SS types probably did help eliminate some rapists and murderers and child molesters, when they weren't busy rounding up Jews and other undesirables. Same thing with Stalin and Mao's Kommissars, sure they got rid of a few bad people while murdering millions of citizens.
Do we give them kudos for that or do we just say, you were evil, Tough. You don't get sympathy for saying "well I was in the SS but I was one of the ones trying to do good"...
I was just pseudo-mocking about the tax payer paycheck thing. I collect a paycheck from a private, evil, capitalist corporation which funded by the evil-er military industrial complex. So, I find it funny as hell when people say things about taxpayer funded paychecks.
But, yeah, I don't condemn a whole population based on the actions of a few. That's for sillyfaces.
This is going to be hot soon. Once these emails get out to more people and they realized their own government released a bio weapon upon them and then outlawed proven medications...
Hopefully...
Doc
Hopefully...
Doc
You are correct with your statement on this.
I think, jmho, we have lost faith in our judicial process. With all that has went on and the abuses we have seen/witnessed, anytime some entity mentions a warrant/subpoena, we jump to the conclusion that it's being used nefariously, or to cause some kind of harm to someone.
The .Gov did this to us, where we have lost some/most, faith in our system.
I'm still maintaining faith in our L.E. agencies. I don't want to give up on my Country.
Maybe I'm a fool, maybe not. I don't want to get to that point in my life, that everyone and everything is bad and out to get me. I still want to believe there are still good people out there, that can and will, do the right thing, me included. Mac
I get you. I am just so fucking tired of both sides of this "conflict" acting like Mao's red guard, enforcing only correct opinions, dehumanizing everybody who might be out of line with received wisdom. It's absolutely pathetic, and it isn't doing any good for anybody. I don't know what makes me more sick to my stomach, when it is done in the name of things I despise, or when it is done in the name of truth and individual rights, while acting like propagandists and lumping huge groups into the non person category.
I saw a news story the other day where 2 officers brought a guy to the local jail. The guy was handcuffed standing facing a wall. The reception guy at the jail grabs him and shoved him into another room and tossed him to the floor. He kicked and punched the guy that never resisted. He beat the guy for several minutes. The officers then strapped him to a chair. They didn't get the guy first aid for over an hour. Once strapped to the chair the officers all had a good laugh.
Results..... Not a single officer, there were around 7 that witnessed this beating, did anything to help or stop the beating. The two arresting officers got 30 days without pay and the guy that did the beating got a couple months in jail.
Who were the bad guys there? The only one doing the beating? Or every POS that stood by and didn't do anything? Blue Line.
Results..... Not a single officer, there were around 7 that witnessed this beating, did anything to help or stop the beating. The two arresting officers got 30 days without pay and the guy that did the beating got a couple months in jail.
Who were the bad guys there? The only one doing the beating? Or every POS that stood by and didn't do anything? Blue Line.
Dude, everything you’ve got going on in your mind far outweighs my level of commitment to this conversation. Take care of yourself. Really...
while it is not fair to say that "all fbi" is anything, bad or good...
i think it is fair to say there are no standards of conduct being kept or enforced, from the bottom (richard jewell field agents) to the top (jim comey et al.).
i think it is fair to say there are no standards of conduct being kept or enforced, from the bottom (richard jewell field agents) to the top (jim comey et al.).
I agree with you. Shit like that is absolutely unacceptable, period. We're not the Gulags of USSR days. It's disgusting to me whenever I read stuff like this. All involved should have been in jail, and the rest who chose not to do anything should have been fired negligence/unbecoming and never hired again.
Thats not all all the point. When someone is in custody, they should still be treated humanely to have their day in court.
If you read The Gulag Archipelago, you would change your tune.
see post #24
Fauci watching out for us
Dr. Anthony Fauci on whether he considers gun violence a public health emergency: “When you see people getting killed, I mean, in this last month, it’s just been horrifying what’s happened. How can you say that’s not a public health issue?”
www.snipershide.com Shit like this just makes me so upset. So, we essentially had a ban on manufacturing biological weapons, just before 45 gets in, ban goes away, NIH is experimenting/funding Wuhan Institute of Virology with $1,000,000,000, Bat Lady does Bat Lady virus research.... 45 is putting the spurs to China on trade deals and other monetary measures...our economy is rocking like gangbusters....see post #24
Fauci watching out for us
Dr. Anthony Fauci on whether he considers gun violence a public health emergency: “When you see people getting killed, I mean, in this last month, it’s just been horrifying what’s happened. How can you say that’s not a public health issue?”
Oops... spilled virus....shut the economy down and look over here while we circumvent the Constitution to rig the election right before the public's eyes.... you didn't see what your lying eyes saw.
just to be clear....i’ve never said “fuck the police” or implied it. all i said, is that i dont believe a fucking word the fbi puts forth.
Child porn my @$$. They know that's the one accusation we don't yet question. The FBI needs to be torn down until it can be rebuilt to protect the Constitution instead of subverting it.
USA Today is a legitimate news outlet as much as the FBI is a legitimate law enforcement agency.
see post #24
Fauci watching out for us
Dr. Anthony Fauci on whether he considers gun violence a public health emergency: “When you see people getting killed, I mean, in this last month, it’s just been horrifying what’s happened. How can you say that’s not a public health issue?”
Why in hell would anyone listen to the two faced piece of shit fouci?
Zero credibility why do we even post about that cock sucker?
He should be on ignor like a couple of the other liberal scum you people keep enabling.
Cut them the fuck loose.
Stop giving them a platform.
Remember the Patriot Act..."if you are not a terrorist is does not affect you". Fade to scene where they used it to spy on an American in a Presidential campaign. To disagree does not mean you protect Pedo's. It means you want to protect everyone.
To be fair, the hotel they are staying in doesn't offer any other choice.
There's an old saying, that if you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all.
You may want to heed that advice...
FtFBI
Whew. This escalated quickly 
