As far as fluting bolts goes I haven't heard an actual use other than they look badass (agreed)! Are there flaws to doing this? What about perks?
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Perks are when you have a action/bolt with tight tolerances, a fluted bolt gives dirt, debris, ice or snow a place to go and still allow the bolt to move freely. I have a Pierce action with extremely tight bolt to action tolerances, the fluted bolt helps considerably when things get dusty. A detriment would be if it wasn't done properly.
Kirk R
Perks are when you have a action/bolt with tight tolerances, a fluted bolt gives dirt, debris, ice or snow a place to go and still allow the bolt to move freely. I have a Pierce action with extremely tight bolt to action tolerances, the fluted bolt helps considerably when things get dusty. A detriment would be if it wasn't done properly.
Kirk R
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so extremely useful.... whats average cost? and how easy is it for the person to mess it up?
so extremely useful.... whats average cost? and how easy is it for the person to mess it up?
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There are a few that are on this site. I have contacted one http://www.longriflesinc.com/ and his prices were pretty resonable. For a .308 it was around $150 I believe ... you will have to check wiht him.
Good Luck
There are a few that are on this site. I have contacted one http://www.longriflesinc.com/ and his prices were pretty resonable. For a .308 it was around $150 I believe ... you will have to check wiht him.
Good Luck
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Well, yes and no, if you have a action with tighter tolerances, it will make an improvement in certain conditions, with a factory action with looser tolerances its more for looks.
It needs to be performed on a mill, many smiths can perform the task.
Kirk R
Well, yes and no, if you have a action with tighter tolerances, it will make an improvement in certain conditions, with a factory action with looser tolerances its more for looks.
It needs to be performed on a mill, many smiths can perform the task.
Kirk R
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sounds good
! thanks everyone for your help! i was curious and couldn't find a straight answer but i trust people on this site! thanks again!
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sounds good
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Take a look at an AI bolt.
IMHO THAT is how fluting should be done. Then again, when it's done like that, it can't be seen and doesn't qualify as "bling".
Take a look at an AI bolt.
IMHO THAT is how fluting should be done. Then again, when it's done like that, it can't be seen and doesn't qualify as "bling".
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I dont see much of a gain in fluting barrels or bolts.
I see it as something done for looks, except in a few rare cases
I dont see much of a gain in fluting barrels or bolts.
I see it as something done for looks, except in a few rare cases
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Consider this;
<span style="font-style: italic">Kind of a self cleaning system with built in gutters for dirt and debris. Getting a .020" diameter grit of sand jammed in somewhere with .005" clearance is bad. Giving it .050" of space to get pushed into right away is good to go.</span>
This is a quote from the owner of PGWDTI when asked about bolt fluting.
Consider this;
<span style="font-style: italic">Kind of a self cleaning system with built in gutters for dirt and debris. Getting a .020" diameter grit of sand jammed in somewhere with .005" clearance is bad. Giving it .050" of space to get pushed into right away is good to go.</span>
This is a quote from the owner of PGWDTI when asked about bolt fluting.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Captain Kirk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Perks are when you have a action/bolt with tight tolerances, a fluted bolt gives dirt, debris, ice or snow a place to go and still allow the bolt to move freely. I have a Pierce action with extremely tight bolt to action tolerances, the fluted bolt helps considerably when things get dusty. A detriment would be if it wasn't done properly.
Kirk R
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take that rifle/action and the same rifle/action with a smooth bolt and set them out in a dust storm. which action do you think will have more grit sitting on the bolt just waiting to get cammed into the action when it is operated? i am not buying into the fluted bolt body helping in dusty conditions for a second. if anything, i think it has more potential for debris getting into the action causing problems.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Captain Kirk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Perks are when you have a action/bolt with tight tolerances, a fluted bolt gives dirt, debris, ice or snow a place to go and still allow the bolt to move freely. I have a Pierce action with extremely tight bolt to action tolerances, the fluted bolt helps considerably when things get dusty. A detriment would be if it wasn't done properly.
Kirk R
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take that rifle/action and the same rifle/action with a smooth bolt and set them out in a dust storm. which action do you think will have more grit sitting on the bolt just waiting to get cammed into the action when it is operated? i am not buying into the fluted bolt body helping in dusty conditions for a second. if anything, i think it has more potential for debris getting into the action causing problems.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 260rem</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Consider this;
<span style="font-style: italic">Kind of a self cleaning system with built in gutters for dirt and debris. Getting a .020" diameter grit of sand jammed in somewhere with .005" clearance is bad. Giving it .050" of space to get pushed into right away is good to go.</span>
This is a quote from the owner of PGWDTI when asked about bolt fluting. </div></div>
how is a piece of grit .020" diameter even going to get a chance to sit on a smooth bolt body? i can certainly see a piece of grit .065" resting in a .050" deep flute though. even if that .020" piece of grit somehow managed to rest on the smooth bolt, it would certainly fall off as soon as the action was worked. would that .065" piece of grit certainly fall out of a .050" deep flute or could it get cammed between the bolt body and the receiver?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 260rem</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Consider this;
<span style="font-style: italic">Kind of a self cleaning system with built in gutters for dirt and debris. Getting a .020" diameter grit of sand jammed in somewhere with .005" clearance is bad. Giving it .050" of space to get pushed into right away is good to go.</span>
This is a quote from the owner of PGWDTI when asked about bolt fluting. </div></div>
how is a piece of grit .020" diameter even going to get a chance to sit on a smooth bolt body? i can certainly see a piece of grit .065" resting in a .050" deep flute though. even if that .020" piece of grit somehow managed to rest on the smooth bolt, it would certainly fall off as soon as the action was worked. would that .065" piece of grit certainly fall out of a .050" deep flute or could it get cammed between the bolt body and the receiver?
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I do really like the way it looks but the last few posts by 300sniper made to much sense to get it done, ill probly spend that 150$ to get it done on more ammo or something
I do really like the way it looks but the last few posts by 300sniper made to much sense to get it done, ill probly spend that 150$ to get it done on more ammo or something
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SpenceDaddy</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> ill probly spend that 150$ to get it done on more ammo </div></div>
in my honest opinion, that would be a far better value. i roll my eyes at some of the <span style="font-style: italic">justifications</span> people come up with for fluting a bolt instead of just admitting they want it for looks. i have no problem with people wanting fluted bolts for looks. i have fluted bolts too. i may even offer the service some day but i will absolutely not try to sell it as something it's not.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SpenceDaddy</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> ill probly spend that 150$ to get it done on more ammo </div></div>
in my honest opinion, that would be a far better value. i roll my eyes at some of the <span style="font-style: italic">justifications</span> people come up with for fluting a bolt instead of just admitting they want it for looks. i have no problem with people wanting fluted bolts for looks. i have fluted bolts too. i may even offer the service some day but i will absolutely not try to sell it as something it's not.
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I didn't realize this was such a controversial topic, I guess you could say I am "pro bolt fluting". I see your point 300sniper, I wouldn't send a bolt to get fluted, couldn't justify the cost to do it after the fact, but I have owned many that came that way (AE/AW, Surgeon, Pierce).
Kirk R
I didn't realize this was such a controversial topic, I guess you could say I am "pro bolt fluting". I see your point 300sniper, I wouldn't send a bolt to get fluted, couldn't justify the cost to do it after the fact, but I have owned many that came that way (AE/AW, Surgeon, Pierce).
Kirk R
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I have always looked at fluting a bolt as a cosmetic crud catcher. A fluted bolt always seemed more likely to bring dirt into the action by giving dirt a place to go, rather than taking dirt out of the action. I bought my Stiller action inspite of the fluting, not because of it. Still, it looks cool and chicks dig it.
D.W.
I have always looked at fluting a bolt as a cosmetic crud catcher. A fluted bolt always seemed more likely to bring dirt into the action by giving dirt a place to go, rather than taking dirt out of the action. I bought my Stiller action inspite of the fluting, not because of it. Still, it looks cool and chicks dig it.
D.W.
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If i would ever get a bolt fluted it would be purely cosmetic, i don't think i would throw in the fact that it could catch or help repel dirt. ill stick to thinking its purely cosmetic.
If i would ever get a bolt fluted it would be purely cosmetic, i don't think i would throw in the fact that it could catch or help repel dirt. ill stick to thinking its purely cosmetic.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: huntersedge89</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Does fluting the bolt decrease it's strength at all? </div></div>
Unfortunately, removing material will never strengthen a part
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: huntersedge89</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Does fluting the bolt decrease it's strength at all? </div></div>
Unfortunately, removing material will never strengthen a part
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Here is a thought; do tread patterns on a tire repel water and mud, or provide a channel to displace said material?
Kirk R
Here is a thought; do tread patterns on a tire repel water and mud, or provide a channel to displace said material?
Kirk R
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Captain Kirk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Here is a thought; do tread patterns on a tire repel water and mud, or provide a channel to displace said material?
Kirk R </div></div>
All the paved streets in our compound are covered in mud, the only place it came from was from muddy tires bringing mud from the outside. I guess there was a reason my mom always made me take my muddy boots off before I came inside.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Captain Kirk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Here is a thought; do tread patterns on a tire repel water and mud, or provide a channel to displace said material?
Kirk R </div></div>
All the paved streets in our compound are covered in mud, the only place it came from was from muddy tires bringing mud from the outside. I guess there was a reason my mom always made me take my muddy boots off before I came inside.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Captain Kirk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Here is a thought; do tread patterns on a tire repel water and mud, or provide a channel to displace said material?
Kirk R </div></div>
If your are comparing a rolling tire to a sliding bolt in a firearm...
no mechanical real world similarities, two totaly different forms of motion.
if not ,then I missed the point, in the context of this thread and my apologies.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Captain Kirk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Here is a thought; do tread patterns on a tire repel water and mud, or provide a channel to displace said material?
Kirk R </div></div>
If your are comparing a rolling tire to a sliding bolt in a firearm...
no mechanical real world similarities, two totaly different forms of motion.
if not ,then I missed the point, in the context of this thread and my apologies.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bozcoyote</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Flutting in SOME applications Does increase Strength </div></div>
Please share some of the applications of which you speak.
Thanks,
sub
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bozcoyote</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Flutting in SOME applications Does increase Strength </div></div>
Please share some of the applications of which you speak.
Thanks,
sub
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I can see both sides of the argument, but in the end do what you want and what works for you, and besides fluted bolts look damn sexy. Kampfeld Custom does them for $75 or $80 and does great work.
I can see both sides of the argument, but in the end do what you want and what works for you, and besides fluted bolts look damn sexy. Kampfeld Custom does them for $75 or $80 and does great work.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: subgunr</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Captain Kirk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Here is a thought; do tread patterns on a tire repel water and mud, or provide a channel to displace said material?
Kirk R </div></div>
If your are comparing a rolling tire to a sliding bolt in a firearm...
no mechanical real world similarities, two totaly different forms of motion.
if not ,then I missed the point, in the context of this thread and my apologies.</div></div>
My point was to have no point
Here is an interesting read about fluting in reference to barrel stiffness, before and after. I am not a metallurgist, but it is a interesting debate that will continue far past my willingness to argue either side.
<span style="font-size: 17pt">The Real Benefits of Barrel Fluting</span>
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: subgunr</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Captain Kirk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Here is a thought; do tread patterns on a tire repel water and mud, or provide a channel to displace said material?
Kirk R </div></div>
If your are comparing a rolling tire to a sliding bolt in a firearm...
no mechanical real world similarities, two totaly different forms of motion.
if not ,then I missed the point, in the context of this thread and my apologies.</div></div>
My point was to have no point
Here is an interesting read about fluting in reference to barrel stiffness, before and after. I am not a metallurgist, but it is a interesting debate that will continue far past my willingness to argue either side.
<span style="font-size: 17pt">The Real Benefits of Barrel Fluting</span>
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.....justifying doing things can sometimes become humorous. If you like something sometimes you have to go after it and to hell with everything else.
An example "do we all NEED a $4k tactical sniper gun, with a $3k piece of glass on top??
Probably not, we have them because we like them....like golfers love expensive clubs. They're not all professional golf players, like we're all not Professional Snipers.
My point is if you like the looks of something, go get it if you can, and be damn proud of it.....don't worry if there has to be a practical reason to it!
.....justifying doing things can sometimes become humorous. If you like something sometimes you have to go after it and to hell with everything else.
An example "do we all NEED a $4k tactical sniper gun, with a $3k piece of glass on top??
Probably not, we have them because we like them....like golfers love expensive clubs. They're not all professional golf players, like we're all not Professional Snipers.
My point is if you like the looks of something, go get it if you can, and be damn proud of it.....don't worry if there has to be a practical reason to it!
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Captain Kirk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Here is a thought; do tread patterns on a tire repel water and mud, or provide a channel to displace said material?
Kirk R </div></div>
the tread on a tire is used to gain traction by allowing debris into those cracks rather then having the tire slip on it. ive been offroading in mudd where a mudd terrain tire turns into a slick... so now its the same as a smooth bolt but with alot more gunk to cause problems. if there was no tread then there would be MUCH less collection of mud, water etc... yes the deep tread wisks mud and water away..but if it wasnt there it wouldnt have to.. bassically we want the exact opposite of traction for a tire.... we want it to be smooth and slip like a slick tire would in mud. it would collect no debris and spin like crazy.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Captain Kirk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Here is a thought; do tread patterns on a tire repel water and mud, or provide a channel to displace said material?
Kirk R </div></div>
the tread on a tire is used to gain traction by allowing debris into those cracks rather then having the tire slip on it. ive been offroading in mudd where a mudd terrain tire turns into a slick... so now its the same as a smooth bolt but with alot more gunk to cause problems. if there was no tread then there would be MUCH less collection of mud, water etc... yes the deep tread wisks mud and water away..but if it wasnt there it wouldnt have to.. bassically we want the exact opposite of traction for a tire.... we want it to be smooth and slip like a slick tire would in mud. it would collect no debris and spin like crazy.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Nostradumbass</div><div class="ubbcode-body">.....justifying doing things can sometimes become humorous. If you like something sometimes you have to go after it and to hell with everything else.
An example "do we all NEED a $4k tactical sniper gun, with a $3k piece of glass on top??
Probably not, we have them because we like them....like golfers love expensive clubs. They're not all professional golf players, like we're all not Professional Snipers.
My point is if you like the looks of something, go get it if you can, and be damn proud of it.....don't worry if there has to be a practical reason to it! </div></div>
aslong as it dosent worsen performance i see no problem with it... but thats up for debate obviously.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Nostradumbass</div><div class="ubbcode-body">.....justifying doing things can sometimes become humorous. If you like something sometimes you have to go after it and to hell with everything else.
An example "do we all NEED a $4k tactical sniper gun, with a $3k piece of glass on top??
Probably not, we have them because we like them....like golfers love expensive clubs. They're not all professional golf players, like we're all not Professional Snipers.
My point is if you like the looks of something, go get it if you can, and be damn proud of it.....don't worry if there has to be a practical reason to it! </div></div>
aslong as it dosent worsen performance i see no problem with it... but thats up for debate obviously.
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I understand kentactic, I did not mean the statement to be an exact apples to apples comparison, it was more of an analogy if you will, but meant to be more of a joke than anything.
Kirk R
I understand kentactic, I did not mean the statement to be an exact apples to apples comparison, it was more of an analogy if you will, but meant to be more of a joke than anything.
Kirk R
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Captain Kirk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I understand kentactic, I did not mean the statement to be an exact apples to apples comparison, it was more of an analogy if you will, but meant to be more of a joke than anything.
Kirk R </div></div>
yeah im not dogging you just participating in the conversation lol.. know what i mean..
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Captain Kirk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I understand kentactic, I did not mean the statement to be an exact apples to apples comparison, it was more of an analogy if you will, but meant to be more of a joke than anything.
Kirk R </div></div>
yeah im not dogging you just participating in the conversation lol.. know what i mean..
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They look cool and chicks dig them, what other reason do you need?
The last study I saw found that 9 out of 10 chicks said they prefered fluted over smooth and that size really did matter.
They look cool and chicks dig them, what other reason do you need?
The last study I saw found that 9 out of 10 chicks said they prefered fluted over smooth and that size really did matter.
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fluting is for looks i would say. Look killer. I just think bigger debris possible to get in with flutes. I have both in my guns and don't really see a difference in desert situations.
fluting is for looks i would say. Look killer. I just think bigger debris possible to get in with flutes. I have both in my guns and don't really see a difference in desert situations.
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If you are going shooting in cold and I mean fecking cold conditions like -20F and colder then fluting would be advisable. Fluting minimizes the surface to surface contact, any moisture and most commercial lubricants will start to freeze at those temps and could lock your bolt up. Steel does funny things at very low temps, I've done several deployments up near the arctic circle in the Bering sea and machinery does weird things at very low temps. If extreme cold is not one of your considerations then it may be a waste of money. Fluted or not if you have tight bolt tolerances then you will have little tolerance for debris.
If you are going shooting in cold and I mean fecking cold conditions like -20F and colder then fluting would be advisable. Fluting minimizes the surface to surface contact, any moisture and most commercial lubricants will start to freeze at those temps and could lock your bolt up. Steel does funny things at very low temps, I've done several deployments up near the arctic circle in the Bering sea and machinery does weird things at very low temps. If extreme cold is not one of your considerations then it may be a waste of money. Fluted or not if you have tight bolt tolerances then you will have little tolerance for debris.
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I just think It's F'n cool lookin....that's it in a nutshell.....besides I had some extra cash to spend!
I just think It's F'n cool lookin....that's it in a nutshell.....besides I had some extra cash to spend!
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Driftwood</div><div class="ubbcode-body">They look cool and chicks dig them, what other reason do you need?
The last study I saw found that 9 out of 10 chicks said they prefered fluted over smooth and that size really did matter. </div></div>
i happen to know that 9/10 woman prefer it smooth...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Driftwood</div><div class="ubbcode-body">They look cool and chicks dig them, what other reason do you need?
The last study I saw found that 9 out of 10 chicks said they prefered fluted over smooth and that size really did matter. </div></div>
i happen to know that 9/10 woman prefer it smooth...
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Ever worked a M2008 action in cooler weather? The lube on the bolt almost makes it impossible to work and that's why i'm gona flute mine soon. I agree that dirt will collect alot more but atleast I can work the bolt ALOT faster at a moments notice.
Ever worked a M2008 action in cooler weather? The lube on the bolt almost makes it impossible to work and that's why i'm gona flute mine soon. I agree that dirt will collect alot more but atleast I can work the bolt ALOT faster at a moments notice.
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I was wanting to have my bolt fluted on my Rem700 .308 and the smith who did my build said and I quote, "I would personally never have a fluted bolt on any of my own guns". He also said the same goes with fluted barrels.
I was wanting to have my bolt fluted on my Rem700 .308 and the smith who did my build said and I quote, "I would personally never have a fluted bolt on any of my own guns". He also said the same goes with fluted barrels.
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To me, having a factory 700 fluted is just for looks. Now on tight actions it can be very useful. Also it'll look tacti cool with my fluted M40 barrel.
To me, having a factory 700 fluted is just for looks. Now on tight actions it can be very useful. Also it'll look tacti cool with my fluted M40 barrel.
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Moof, you're on target....it's mostly for looks, or preference. No need for needless justification.
Exhibit A=
Moof, you're on target....it's mostly for looks, or preference. No need for needless justification.
Exhibit A=
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Nostradumbass</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Moof, you're on target....it's mostly for looks, or preference. No need for needless justification.
Exhibit A=
</div></div>
What to cheap to flute the can?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Nostradumbass</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Moof, you're on target....it's mostly for looks, or preference. No need for needless justification.
Exhibit A=
What to cheap to flute the can?
