Re: FNAR 7.62x51mm Opinions
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jimmy2Times</div><div class="ubbcode-body">3 shots does not a group make. Try it again with 5 or 10 shots. </div></div>
According to the US Army Basic Rifle Marksmanship, it does.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jimmy2Times</div><div class="ubbcode-body">3 shots does not a group make. Try it again with 5 or 10 shots. </div></div>
According to the US Army Basic Rifle Marksmanship, it does.
Re: FNAR 7.62x51mm Opinions
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder . . . and all that.
(IMHO, nothing says "Met the most requirements, at the lowest cost . . ." like a M16/AR15/M4)
What I like about the FNAR:
-MOA out of the box for $1400
-No worries about carbon build up in the receiver
-Magazines are build like tanks
-I can shoot MOA out to 600m or
-I can throw large volumes of ammo in a short amount of time
-Short piston action
-Firing from the off hand less recoil then a M1A
What I dont like about the FNAR:
-Magazines are not cheap
What I would change about the FNAR:
-Would like to see a longer/beefier bolt handle
-Would like a ambidextrous bolt release
Be nice to have but dont really need it:
-Muzzle brake
-Iron sights
-Few more mounting options for a sling, like single point where the receiver meets the stock
The only issues I have had have been using NIB LAPUA or NOSLER brass. In the FNAR chamber, the tolerances are so tight, I have had failure to extract. Ran the brass through a FL die, have not had a problem since. No need for small base dies either. Factory loads or handloads. Using 123grn LAPUA Cutting Edge, 125grn NOSLER BT, 130grn HORNADY SP was more like shooting a .22WMR. Rapid fire puts the good time grin on the face. No feeding/FTF/FTE problems.
For accuracy work, seems to like longer/heavier bullets. I think less jump to the lands (or ogive to the lands) is what it prefers. Will experiment with that later.
(Handload note: LAUPA or NOSLER brass, CCI LR primers, IMR 4895/4064, RL15, or VHIT 150/550, 43-45grns, 2600-2700fps (est))
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder . . . and all that.
(IMHO, nothing says "Met the most requirements, at the lowest cost . . ." like a M16/AR15/M4)
What I like about the FNAR:
-MOA out of the box for $1400
-No worries about carbon build up in the receiver
-Magazines are build like tanks
-I can shoot MOA out to 600m or
-I can throw large volumes of ammo in a short amount of time
-Short piston action
-Firing from the off hand less recoil then a M1A
What I dont like about the FNAR:
-Magazines are not cheap
What I would change about the FNAR:
-Would like to see a longer/beefier bolt handle
-Would like a ambidextrous bolt release
Be nice to have but dont really need it:
-Muzzle brake
-Iron sights
-Few more mounting options for a sling, like single point where the receiver meets the stock
The only issues I have had have been using NIB LAPUA or NOSLER brass. In the FNAR chamber, the tolerances are so tight, I have had failure to extract. Ran the brass through a FL die, have not had a problem since. No need for small base dies either. Factory loads or handloads. Using 123grn LAPUA Cutting Edge, 125grn NOSLER BT, 130grn HORNADY SP was more like shooting a .22WMR. Rapid fire puts the good time grin on the face. No feeding/FTF/FTE problems.
For accuracy work, seems to like longer/heavier bullets. I think less jump to the lands (or ogive to the lands) is what it prefers. Will experiment with that later.
(Handload note: LAUPA or NOSLER brass, CCI LR primers, IMR 4895/4064, RL15, or VHIT 150/550, 43-45grns, 2600-2700fps (est))
Re: FNAR 7.62x51mm Opinions
I've owned an FNAR (20" heavy barrel) for over two years and it has become my favorite rifle. I have a Leupold 6-18X40 scope with a custom cut BDC and a Harris S bipod (9-13"). I also have a three point sling on it.
By the end of the first day at the range, I was getting 3 shot groups with all bullets touching each other. I've tried most of the major brands of ammo and mine seems to like the 168 gr. Hornady A-Max or the 168 gr. Horandy TAP (Basically the same round as A-Max with a nickel shell and low flash powder - thought I suspect it is EXACTLY the same except the shell. The stats are the same.)
After I settled on the Hornady ammo, I can now shoot 3 shot groups of less than 0.6" at 100 yards. That is the best I've ever shot any weapon.
My groups open up to about 2.5" at 200 yards and around 4" at 300 yards. However, that is me, not the rifle. I just can't see that far any more, even through a good scope.
I've never had an FTF or FTE, though I have had two instances where I failed to seat the magazine fully, so when I pulled the bolt back, it did not strip a round from the magazine.
What I like about the FNAR:
1. The accuracy. As I said, I've never shot a weapon any better than this one. And I own a custom made 30.06 with a handmade stock. I've seen that gun shoot sub-MOA (5 bullets touching at 100 yards) but I've never been able to get below 3/4" with it.
2. Both a pro and a con is the weight. As I've gotten older, I've developed a neurological disorder that gives me a fairly pronounced trimmer, even with medication. The weight, along with the three point sling helps stablize me enough that I can shoot free hand and still make most of my friends look bad. From a bench, they won't even bet with me.
3. The ammo is readily available.
4. Mine came with two 20 round and one 10 round magazines for $1,400. The scope was extra as was the custom BDC.
5. A cursory cleaning of the barrel and chamber is easy with a bore snake and a rag for the chamber.
What I don't like about it:
1. Stripping it down and putting back together is a major PITA. Putting back together, even with the instructions in front of you is like trying to put together one of those wooden chinese puzzles after you taken it apart. In fact, I would say that it's worse or as bad as trying to reassemble a Ruger MkIII for the first time. You know how it all goes, but you just can't quite fit it together without a lot cussing and sacraficing a goat and a couple of chickens... especially if you have big hands and have trouble holding on to small parts.
2. You can blast through some ammo because a) it has a relatively high capacity, and b) it's fun to shoot. Don't say to your buddy "Hey, you want to take a few shots?" if you just put a fresh 20 round magazine in. That's $25 bucks you'll never see.
3. The weight - as I said; a pro and a con. If your humping it around all day on a pig hunt, that 11 pounds can start to get heavy.
The bottom line, if you're looking for something you can hunt with, something you can snipe with, and, God forbid, do something tactical with, you can't go wrong with this gun...unless you have to field strip it.
I've owned an FNAR (20" heavy barrel) for over two years and it has become my favorite rifle. I have a Leupold 6-18X40 scope with a custom cut BDC and a Harris S bipod (9-13"). I also have a three point sling on it.
By the end of the first day at the range, I was getting 3 shot groups with all bullets touching each other. I've tried most of the major brands of ammo and mine seems to like the 168 gr. Hornady A-Max or the 168 gr. Horandy TAP (Basically the same round as A-Max with a nickel shell and low flash powder - thought I suspect it is EXACTLY the same except the shell. The stats are the same.)
After I settled on the Hornady ammo, I can now shoot 3 shot groups of less than 0.6" at 100 yards. That is the best I've ever shot any weapon.
My groups open up to about 2.5" at 200 yards and around 4" at 300 yards. However, that is me, not the rifle. I just can't see that far any more, even through a good scope.
I've never had an FTF or FTE, though I have had two instances where I failed to seat the magazine fully, so when I pulled the bolt back, it did not strip a round from the magazine.
What I like about the FNAR:
1. The accuracy. As I said, I've never shot a weapon any better than this one. And I own a custom made 30.06 with a handmade stock. I've seen that gun shoot sub-MOA (5 bullets touching at 100 yards) but I've never been able to get below 3/4" with it.
2. Both a pro and a con is the weight. As I've gotten older, I've developed a neurological disorder that gives me a fairly pronounced trimmer, even with medication. The weight, along with the three point sling helps stablize me enough that I can shoot free hand and still make most of my friends look bad. From a bench, they won't even bet with me.
3. The ammo is readily available.
4. Mine came with two 20 round and one 10 round magazines for $1,400. The scope was extra as was the custom BDC.
5. A cursory cleaning of the barrel and chamber is easy with a bore snake and a rag for the chamber.
What I don't like about it:
1. Stripping it down and putting back together is a major PITA. Putting back together, even with the instructions in front of you is like trying to put together one of those wooden chinese puzzles after you taken it apart. In fact, I would say that it's worse or as bad as trying to reassemble a Ruger MkIII for the first time. You know how it all goes, but you just can't quite fit it together without a lot cussing and sacraficing a goat and a couple of chickens... especially if you have big hands and have trouble holding on to small parts.
2. You can blast through some ammo because a) it has a relatively high capacity, and b) it's fun to shoot. Don't say to your buddy "Hey, you want to take a few shots?" if you just put a fresh 20 round magazine in. That's $25 bucks you'll never see.
3. The weight - as I said; a pro and a con. If your humping it around all day on a pig hunt, that 11 pounds can start to get heavy.
The bottom line, if you're looking for something you can hunt with, something you can snipe with, and, God forbid, do something tactical with, you can't go wrong with this gun...unless you have to field strip it.
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