Former Recon Marine railroaded by Wyoming DA

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The short of it:
-Former Recon Marine John Knospler is sleeping in his car outside of strip club. Attacker attempts to enter car, waking Knospler. Knospler attempts to drive away (supported by traffic accident reconstruction report prosecution paid for). Attacker smashes window of car and is reaching into the car when Knospler draws 1911 and fires single shot, killing the attacker.

-Prosecution argues that Knospler fired at attacker first, and the attacker did not break the window. This theory is not backed by the forensics. Both the injuries on attackers hand/arm and the way the window broke indicate attacker punched through window. The entry angle of the bullet indicates attacker way leaned forward when shot, and the entry wound didn't show any deformation or tumbling as one might expect when a HP strikes a hard surface before entering flesh.

-1911 had a stovepipe as if the attacker had gotten a hand on the weapon or otherwise blocked the ejection of the spent case.

-The jury foreman was formerly employed at a law firm where he worked with the DA's wife. Other jurors came forward after the fact and said that foreman dominated the discussions and didn't allow others to discuss any theories other than the one presented by the prosecution. (How the hell the judge, let alone the defense, allowed this is beyond me)

-DA removed original prosecutor that wanted to drop the case. He was hell-bent on charging Knospler for some unknown reason.

-Attacker had child and beastiality porn on his phone. Not relevant to the event itself, but the world is a better place without sick fucks like that.

-Knospler has been in prison since 2014. Preliminary evidentiary hearing being held next week after appeal to Wyoming Supreme Court. One hope is that the stand your ground law Wyoming passed in 2018 will be retroactively applied.
 

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The short of it:
-Former Recon Marine John Knospler is sleeping in his car outside of strip club. Attacker attempts to enter car, waking Knospler. Knospler attempts to drive away (supported by traffic accident reconstruction report prosecution paid for). Attacker smashes window of car and is reaching into the car when Knospler draws 1911 and fires single shot, killing the attacker.

-Prosecution argues that Knospler fired at attacker first, and the attacker did not break the window. This theory is not backed by the forensics. Both the injuries on attackers hand/arm and the way the window broke indicate attacker punched through window. The entry angle of the bullet indicates attacker way leaned forward when shot, and the entry wound didn't show any deformation or tumbling as one might expect when a HP strikes a hard surface before entering flesh.

-1911 had a stovepipe as if the attacker had gotten a hand on the weapon or otherwise blocked the ejection of the spent case.

-The jury foreman was formerly employed at a law firm where he worked with the DA's wife. Other jurors came forward after the fact and said that foreman dominated the discussions and didn't allow others to discuss any theories other than the one presented by the prosecution. (How the hell the judge, let alone the defense, allowed this is beyond me)

-DA removed original prosecutor that wanted to drop the case. He was hell-bent on charging Knospler for some unknown reason.

-Attacker had child and beastiality porn on his phone. Not relevant to the event itself, but the world is a better place without sick fucks like that.

-Knospler has been in prison since 2014. Preliminary evidentiary hearing being held next week after appeal to Wyoming Supreme Court. One hope is that the stand your ground law Wyoming passed in 2018 will be retroactively applied.
Stand your ground protection is not necessary since he attempted to retreat anyway.

Does Wyoming have castle doctrine protection? And if so, does it extend to one's vehicle (like it does in my state)?

Evidence of jury misconduct should be enough.
 

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You can take the Marine off of Court Street but you cant take the Court Street out of the Marine.

Nothing good ever comes of sleeping in the parking lot of strip joints.

Facts as presented by OP taken at face value indicate an injustice.
 
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One thing that wasn’t mentioned was if alcohol was involved. (Just read the story, it was...)

i’m not saying this to be a jerk I’m just saying the guy was asleep with ready access to a loaded firearm outside of a strip joint, and you typically find someone sleeping in their car because theyre trying to sleep some thing off.

unfortunately, even though he may be being railroaded, he very much set of the circumstances for his own getting hosed.

Guys lucky he wasn’t asleep outside of Wendy’s... 🤪

After action report:

- If he was drunk, he should not have attempted to flee
- he should have merely point the weapon at the guy and told him to leave (which is felony assault depending on the circumstances)
- For what it’s worth, shooting someone while inebriated is usually a crime
- he should’ve then called Uber and gotten a ride home
- if you shoot someone and there’s no immediate threat afterwards, don’t leave the scene and call the police

if he’s drunk in the car and sleeping it off, and attempts to drive away, I doubt there are any circumstances were that not illegal.

Basically this guy got screwed, by a DA with a point to prove, because he either was incapable of thinking things through, or he didn’t plan in advance what he would do if a situation like a car jacking took place.

District attorneys tend to be assholes. Your job is not to give them more ammunition to put you in prison.

It’s also likely he was a good citizen and spoke to the police, rather than lawyered up immediately. (EDIT: NOPE, HE DID THE SMART THING AND SHUT HIS MOUTH!)

and don’t think for a second that this is the only person who’s gotten screwed after getting out of the military… I got arrested within months after getting out of the Air Force because I didn’t know what was legal and what wasn’t legal. The military and contracting are very different than being back in the real world.

I of course got off completely… And the only thing I was actually guilty of was speeding… Which still got the attention of the police and up the circumstances for me being mistaken for the BOLO they were looking for.
 
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One thing that wasn’t mentioned was if alcohol was involved.

i’m not saying this to be a jerk I’m just saying the guy was asleep with ready access to a loaded firearm outside of a strip joint, and you typically find someone sleeping in their car because theyre trying to sleep some thing off.

unfortunately, even though he may be being railroaded, he very much set of the circumstances for his own getting hosed.

Guys lucky he wasn’t asleep outside of Wendy’s... 🤪

You dont forfeit your right to self defense because you are drunk. You might actually say it contributed to your fear for your life in that you were not physically capable of a hands on defense if you articulate it well enough.

Dont blame the rape victim for her dress.

but.......

sometimes discretion and better choices make a difference.

Read the story sounds like the Marine was having a bad day to start, had some substances in his system, likely had some traumatic experiences that he was dealing with.

Those facts are not evidence of guilt but factors in the end result that everyone should consider should they decide to fuck with someone.......better be careful because the guy you think you have the upper hand on may surprise you.
 

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You dont forfeit your right to self defense because you are drunk. You might actually say it contributed to your fear for your life in that you were not physically capable of a hands on defense if you articulate it well enough.

Dont blame the rape victim for her dress.

but.......

sometimes discretion and better choices make a difference.

Read the story sounds like the Marine was having a bad day to start, had some substances in his system, likely had some traumatic experiences that he was dealing with.

Those facts are not evidence of guilt but factors in the end result that everyone should consider should they decide to fuck with someone.......better be careful because the guy you think you have the upper hand on may surprise you.
I made a serious edit after reading the article. There’s no condemnation on my part regardless of what it sounds like… I’m just pointing out how you can easily get screwed if you don’t think things through.
 

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immunity needs to be stripped of ALL government officals. police, judges, and especially DAs.

there is a big part of me that gets angry over the riots going on these days. but then i think about the times i’vebeen in front of the court, and how fucking crooked it is from the start to the finish. and at that point, i say let the fire burn a while. the accountability to the people needs to be restored.
 

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immunity needs to be stripped of ALL government officals. police, judges, and especially DAs.

there is a big part of me that gets angry over the riots going on these days. but then i think about the times i’vebeen in front of the court, and how fucking crooked it is from the start to the finish. and at that point, i say let the fire burn a while. the accountability to the people needs to be restored.
This.

I laugh every time a regular person reaches up and touches our betters. Full of crooked bastards from bottom to top.

The system is like a pack of youths on the sidewalk. Might not bother you. Might ruin your life. Best to cross the street and keep distance.
 

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"These wounds could easily be explained, according to Daily, by Baldwin having punched out the window, then getting his arm far enough into the driver’s-side compartment to slash his upper arm. To account for the glass found outside of the car, Daily believed that Baldwin pulled his arm back from the broken window as Knospler shot, which would have cut his upper arm and pulled fragments of glass outside the car into the new-fallen snow."

I don't feel like this is very likely. When you break a side window, which is not easy to do. It usually drops. You are not going to stick your arm through it and have it stay in place.

If Knospler had shot while the window was still intact, some glass would have landed on the ground outside the car, while most would have landed inside the car very close to the driver’s-side door. The glass would not be found scattered through the entire passenger compartment as was the case with Knospler’s Chevy.

I don't think any of the evidence from the broken glass position inside the car is viable after its been driven around. IT would be easy for it to slide across the dash and distribute as pictured.

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She pointed out that the trajectory of the bullet, entering near the collarbone and exiting above the buttocks, would not make sense if Baldwin had been standing upright. The trajectory only makes sense if Baldwin was leaning through the window.

"Only" no. Also if he was leaning down knocking on the window.

It would be interesting to see the evidence, as explained by the other side. This is a great example of how to use a story to shape opinion. Like "Making A Murder." This story makes it look like it deserves another trial. The story written for the opposite POV would make it look like he was guilty guilty guilty. The problem with judging with only part of the story.
 

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Any motherfucker that is even remotely involved in charging Knospler with all this bullshit is an enemy of this constitutional republic. Plain and simple. Being "drunk" has absolutely NOTHING to do with a person's right to defend one's self in the face of imminent attack. So if I had a few beers, I cannot legally ventilate some scumbag who broke into my apartment and tried to harm my GF and mother? BULL FUCKING SHIT, homie. Charge me with some shit, better try to dead my ass in prison and make sure I never get out, because once I do, yer' gon' have t' watch the shadows for a long time. Deer season ain't just limited to the woods.

I hope our Patriot community is looking out for Mr. Knospler's family while he is fighting this dicksuckery. If we do not stand together on shit like this, we fall and we fall hard. We need to mark the line in the ground and stand behind it just like Stonewall Jackson's Virginia Brigade at 1st Manassas. Bayonets are free for anyone who wants to try to make a run at the line...
 

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"These wounds could easily be explained, according to Daily, by Baldwin having punched out the window, then getting his arm far enough into the driver’s-side compartment to slash his upper arm. To account for the glass found outside of the car, Daily believed that Baldwin pulled his arm back from the broken window as Knospler shot, which would have cut his upper arm and pulled fragments of glass outside the car into the new-fallen snow."

I don't feel like this is very likely. When you break a side window, which is not easy to do. It usually drops. You are not going to stick your arm through it and have it stay in place.

If Knospler had shot while the window was still intact, some glass would have landed on the ground outside the car, while most would have landed inside the car very close to the driver’s-side door. The glass would not be found scattered through the entire passenger compartment as was the case with Knospler’s Chevy.

I don't think any of the evidence from the broken glass position inside the car is viable after its been driven around. IT would be easy for it to slide across the dash and distribute as pictured.

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She pointed out that the trajectory of the bullet, entering near the collarbone and exiting above the buttocks, would not make sense if Baldwin had been standing upright. The trajectory only makes sense if Baldwin was leaning through the window.

"Only" no. Also if he was leaning down knocking on the window.

It would be interesting to see the evidence, as explained by the other side. This is a great example of how to use a story to shape opinion. Like "Making A Murder." This story makes it look like it deserves another trial. The story written for the opposite POV would make it look like he was guilty guilty guilty. The problem with judging with only part of the story.

What fine stripper esrablishment these days doesnt have parking lot cameras? A RING doorbell even?
 

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Any motherfucker that is even remotely involved in charging Knospler with all this bullshit is an enemy of this constitutional republic. Plain and simple. Being "drunk" has absolutely NOTHING to do with a person's right to defend one's self in the face of imminent attack. So if I had a few beers, I cannot legally ventilate some scumbag who broke into my apartment and tried to harm my GF and mother? BULL FUCKING SHIT, homie. Charge me with some shit, better try to dead my ass in prison and make sure I never get out, because once I do, yer' gon' have t' watch the shadows for a long time. Deer season ain't just limited to the woods.

I hope our Patriot community is looking out for Mr. Knospler's family while he is fighting this dicksuckery. If we do not stand together on shit like this, we fall and we fall hard. We need to mark the line in the ground and stand behind it just like Stonewall Jackson's Virginia Brigade at 1st Manassas. Bayonets are free for anyone who wants to try to make a run at the line...
The argument is around whether the other guy broke his window, or he shot the other guy who was knocking on the window thinking it was his friends car. The evidence showed in the article that the other man punched out the window is weak at best.
 

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Any coroner could tell with certainty if a hand had been used to break a window, I’ve done it and my hand showed it for several days
I'll testify you can't do it. My hand is still seriously f-up from trying to do that.

Note to self: Don't pass out in your car in the strip club parting lot, or very bad things will happen.
 

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I'll testify you can't do it. My hand is still seriously f-up from trying to do that.

Note to self: Don't pass out in your car in the strip club parting lot, or very bad things will happen.
then you did it wrong. i can tell you to a certainy it can be done.

was the window up all the way? or maybe cracked at the top? because if it’s cracked open to allow air in, they are very easy to break.
 

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Researched this a bit. Jury deliberated less than three hours.

Either:

Prosecution has a lot of good evidence

Defense was terrible

Or he somehow got a jury with zero spines. Even if the foreman was as described, it only takes one or two to stop that. Less than three hours isn’t much of a fight by any other juror.

Without actually seeing the exhibits/evidence, it’s hard to say what’s what. But three hour deliberation is indicative of one of the three scenarios above.
 

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"These wounds could easily be explained, according to Daily, by Baldwin having punched out the window, then getting his arm far enough into the driver’s-side compartment to slash his upper arm. To account for the glass found outside of the car, Daily believed that Baldwin pulled his arm back from the broken window as Knospler shot, which would have cut his upper arm and pulled fragments of glass outside the car into the new-fallen snow."

I don't feel like this is very likely. When you break a side window, which is not easy to do. It usually drops. You are not going to stick your arm through it and have it stay in place.

If Knospler had shot while the window was still intact, some glass would have landed on the ground outside the car, while most would have landed inside the car very close to the driver’s-side door. The glass would not be found scattered through the entire passenger compartment as was the case with Knospler’s Chevy.

I don't think any of the evidence from the broken glass position inside the car is viable after its been driven around. IT would be easy for it to slide across the dash and distribute as pictured.

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She pointed out that the trajectory of the bullet, entering near the collarbone and exiting above the buttocks, would not make sense if Baldwin had been standing upright. The trajectory only makes sense if Baldwin was leaning through the window.

"Only" no. Also if he was leaning down knocking on the window.

It would be interesting to see the evidence, as explained by the other side. This is a great example of how to use a story to shape opinion. Like "Making A Murder." This story makes it look like it deserves another trial. The story written for the opposite POV would make it look like he was guilty guilty guilty. The problem with judging with only part of the story.
"These wounds could easily be explained, according to Daily, by Baldwin having punched out the window, then getting his arm far enough into the driver’s-side compartment to slash his upper arm. To account for the glass found outside of the car, Daily believed that Baldwin pulled his arm back from the broken window as Knospler shot, which would have cut his upper arm and pulled fragments of glass outside the car into the new-fallen snow."

I don't feel like this is very likely. When you break a side window, which is not easy to do. It usually drops. You are not going to stick your arm through it and have it stay in place.

If Knospler had shot while the window was still intact, some glass would have landed on the ground outside the car, while most would have landed inside the car very close to the driver’s-side door. The glass would not be found scattered through the entire passenger compartment as was the case with Knospler’s Chevy.

I don't think any of the evidence from the broken glass position inside the car is viable after its been driven around. IT would be easy for it to slide across the dash and distribute as pictured.

View attachment 7393778


She pointed out that the trajectory of the bullet, entering near the collarbone and exiting above the buttocks, would not make sense if Baldwin had been standing upright. The trajectory only makes sense if Baldwin was leaning through the window.

"Only" no. Also if he was leaning down knocking on the window.

It would be interesting to see the evidence, as explained by the other side. This is a great example of how to use a story to shape opinion. Like "Making A Murder." This story makes it look like it deserves another trial. The story written for the opposite POV would make it look like he was guilty guilty guilty. The problem with judging with only part of the story.
If he was shot thru the glass it would be very fkn obvious as the wound would contain glass especially at the wound entrance???
 

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If he was shot thru the glass it would be very fkn obvious as the wound would contain glass especially at the wound entrance???
“Bullet wipe” is a gray or black ring around a bullet hole. The ring is formed by bullet lubricant, byproducts of propellant, traces of bullet metal, and residue in the gun barrel from previous use, according to the National Crime Justice Reference Service. Norris found bullet wipe on Baldwin’s T-shirt. Whether the bullet went through a pane of glass or not should not normally affect bullet wipe at the point of entrance.

When Norris looked for a pattern of gunshot residue, the results were different. There were minimal nitrites on the shirt, which led Norris to conclude that the gun had either been shot from farther than arm’s length or the gunshot residue was deposited on an intervening object, such as the driver’s-side car window.


I don't think you read the fuckin story before you made your fuckin comment. I also don't think there is any fuckin way, a fuckin 45 ACP, drags much fuckin tempered widow glass into a fuckin wound. These things all combined make me think you don't have any fuckin idea what the fuck you are fucking talking about.
 

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Here in Ohio the guy who broke the car window could have been bought and paid for on the spot.

There's a reason you hardly ever see those kinds of confrontations around here in the midwest.......even punks know that such a move could easily be the last one they make on earth.
 
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“Bullet wipe” is a gray or black ring around a bullet hole. The ring is formed by bullet lubricant, byproducts of propellant, traces of bullet metal, and residue in the gun barrel from previous use, according to the National Crime Justice Reference Service. Norris found bullet wipe on Baldwin’s T-shirt. Whether the bullet went through a pane of glass or not should not normally affect bullet wipe at the point of entrance.

When Norris looked for a pattern of gunshot residue, the results were different. There were minimal nitrites on the shirt, which led Norris to conclude that the gun had either been shot from farther than arm’s length or the gunshot residue was deposited on an intervening object, such as the driver’s-side car window.


I don't think you read the fuckin story before you made your fuckin comment. I also don't think there is any fuckin way, a fuckin 45 ACP, drags much fuckin tempered widow glass into a fuckin wound. These things all combined make me think you don't have any fuckin idea what the fuck you are fucking talking about.
I used to do a lot of target practice at local illegal dump when I was young and used to shoot up lots of old cars.
I noticed on many occasions that when window glass was shot ,if there was say vinyl or leather upholstery was with in 2 feet behind the door glass the entry hole was into the material was very ragged compared to an entry hole that missed the glass and the surface immediately around the hole had glass embedded in the material.
But hey,that's just my observations in a physically similar example
 

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I used to do a lot of target practice at local illegal dump when I was young and used to shoot up lots of old cars.
I noticed on many occasions that when window glass was shot ,if there was say vinyl or leather upholstery was with in 2 feet behind the door glass the entry hole was into the material was very ragged compared to an entry hole that missed the glass and the surface immediately around the hole had glass embedded in the material.
But hey,that's just my observations in a physically similar example
 

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I used to do a lot of target practice at local illegal dump when I was young and used to shoot up lots of old cars.
I noticed on many occasions that when window glass was shot ,if there was say vinyl or leather upholstery was with in 2 feet behind the door glass the entry hole was into the material was very ragged compared to an entry hole that missed the glass and the surface immediately around the hole had glass embedded in the material.
But hey,that's just my observations in a physically similar example
Well, let me copy and paste what a forensic expert had to say about it for you again.

Norris found bullet wipe on Baldwin’s T-shirt. Whether the bullet went through a pane of glass or not should not normally affect bullet wipe at the point of entrance.
 
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Well, let me copy and paste what a forensic expert had to say about it for you again.

Norris found bullet wipe on Baldwin’s T-shirt. Whether the bullet went through a pane of glass or not should not normally affect bullet wipe at the point of entrance.
Just saying, I remember it quite well.
Because it made me think of how I would definitely not want to receive a wound from this,if being shot wasn't bad enough.
 

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Tempered glass is designed to break in a honeycomb, but the glass where the projectile impacts breaks down further ,into shards and granular form which penetrates via the velocity it is traveling at and by being stuck to the projectiles surface
 

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How do you know there wasn't glass on the bullet? Just fuckin saying. I would make a guess the glass on the bullet was one of the reasons they came up with the story about . So he punched through the glass, left the window intact, while grabbing the gun. Then the glass fell as he was shot and pulled his arm back through the window. Does that make any sense?

"These wounds could easily be explained, according to Daily, by Baldwin having punched out the window, then getting his arm far enough into the driver’s-side compartment to slash his upper arm. To account for the glass found outside of the car, Daily believed that Baldwin pulled his arm back from the broken window as Knospler shot, which would have cut his upper arm and pulled fragments of glass outside the car into the new-fallen snow."
 

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Yeah,I was commenting on the fact it should have been easy to tell if he was shot thru glass or not.
 

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Not according to this. Powdered glass in the nose of soft points and sometimes on the jacket.

Read it and they are only concerned with bullet deviation. What I am saying if the victim was shot at close range thru glass it would be obvious as the wound would contain glass.
Where do you think the glass that was displaced by the hole the projectile made in the window went?????
It didn't evaporate.
 

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Folks, there is a lot of back and forth here.

I wanna point out that in this case regardless of whether you think he’s innocent or guilty, he really did set himself up.

Do the police have issues, you bet.

But in this case the only thing the police did was report what they saw on the scene and referred to a district attorney. So it’s not like the police are evil in this case or anything along those lines, the guys just did their job...

The DA clearly decided to go after this guy because the evidence could’ve gone either way. The DA is NOT an evidentiary expert, but it is telling that the original ADA didn’t want to charge him... as I said, evidence suggests either story is possible; everything is questionable.

And what do you do when youre an ADA? You prosecute people unless it clearly shows beyond a shadow of a doubt that they didn’t do anything wrong, and you let a jury decide.

There in lies the problem: the members of the jury didn’t tell the guy to go screw himself.

Having been arrested and railroaded by the local court myself I totally understand where everybody’s coming from.

But ultimately I put myself in the circumstances that led to my being arrested.

There is no way a former recon Marine couldn’t open the door to the car and kick that guys ass six ways to Sunday.

Or pull the guy into the vehicle through than a broken window and beat the shit out of him...

And if you’re looking at it from a third-party point of you that means it’s difficult to justify shooting someone, even if they punched the window and broke the glass.

I don’t like lawyers. I really don’t like or trust the police most of the time either. I’m not saying I’m going out of my way to hate them, it’s just that they absolutely cannot be trusted because if you’re interacting with them, and you didn’t call them, then they’re showing up because they think you did something illegal.

Since the police can lie to you, not answer questions when you are interacting with them, and generally act in a deceitful manner… Then they are not to be trusted and they are absolutely your enemy.

That is the actual problem in most situations.

All of you people talking about how the man has to all be held accountable and so on...

That is the fundamental problem: not that they wield power above you, but they wield it in such a way that they can lie and be deceitful.

Where are you are required to be honest at all times otherwise you can be charged with obstruction of justice.

In this particular case frankly I don’t take the guy side. I also don’t necessarily think that he’s guilty either.
 
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Carver also testified that there were extremely fine fragments of glass in the skin around the bullet wound — grit similar to the bits in 600-grain sandpaper — seemingly suggesting the bullet went through glass before striking Baldwin. Yet Carver also testified that Baldwin had minute glass fragments lodged in his right hand — consistent with striking a window.

I guess I should have read fuckin the story better. :LOL: :ROFLMAO: :LOL:

IMO All the evidence point to him shooting a guy bending down knocking on his window. Who went through the glass after he was shot.

From their fund me page
James Baldwin had a long and violent criminal history (18 felony counts of vehicle burglary, as well as multiple counts of assault and evading police).

From the article.
Baldwin’s criminal history was more extensive. He had been arrested for driving under the influence, as well as for marijuana possession twice, had a charge of interference with a police officer, and garnered 19 counts of felony auto burglary on an evening when he and two friends broke into a series of cars and took phones, stereos, GPS devices, wallets, purses, and cash.

I don't think the fund me page is characterizing the other person fairly, if what was written in the article is true. Those are not violent crimes, and he was arrested once for breaking into cars. 19 counts whatever of dumb ass shit head, arrested 19 times for breaking into cars, there is a career criminal. There is a whole lot of untold story here.

https://scholarship.law.uwyo.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1144&context=wlr

Under current Wyoming case law, second-degree murder has two mental components. First, the defendant must intend to perform the act that causesthe other person's death, though he need not intend to cause the death itself.1
Second, the defendant must perform this act either with "hatred, ill will, or hostil- ity" or "without legal justification or excuse."2
 
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Carver also testified that there were extremely fine fragments of glass in the skin around the bullet wound — grit similar to the bits in 600-grain sandpaper — seemingly suggesting the bullet went through glass before striking Baldwin. Yet Carver also testified that Baldwin had minute glass fragments lodged in his right hand — consistent with striking a window.

I guess I should have read fuckin the story better. :LOL: :ROFLMAO: :LOL:

IMO All the evidence point to him shooting a guy bending down knocking on his window. Who went through the glass after he was shot.

From their fund me page
James Baldwin had a long and violent criminal history (18 felony counts of vehicle burglary, as well as multiple counts of assault and evading police).

From the article.
Baldwin’s criminal history was more extensive. He had been arrested for driving under the influence, as well as for marijuana possession twice, had a charge of interference with a police officer, and garnered 19 counts of felony auto burglary on an evening when he and two friends broke into a series of cars and took phones, stereos, GPS devices, wallets, purses, and cash.

I don't think the fund me page is characterizing the other person fairly, if what was written in the article is true. Those are not violent crimes, and he was arrested once for breaking into cars. 19 counts whatever of dumb ass shit head, arrested 19 times for breaking into cars, there is a career criminal. There is a whole lot of untold story here.

https://scholarship.law.uwyo.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1144&context=wlr

Under current Wyoming case law, second-degree murder has two mental components. First, the defendant must intend to perform the act that causesthe other person's death, though he need not intend to cause the death itself.1
Second, the defendant must perform this act either with "hatred, ill will, or hostil- ity" or "without legal justification or excuse."2
Hey did John fuck your girl or something or just a fucking nosey piece of shit hiding behind a screen talking shit about something you werent involved in like an armchair lawyer.
 
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Hey did John fuck your girl or something or just a fucking nosey piece of shit hiding behind a screen talking shit about something you werent involved in like an armchair lawyer.
When you have no argument, go with the personal attack. Feel free to formulate your own opinion based on emotion, and let that emotion override your deductive reasoning. Even looking at the evidence in the way they twisted it in the article, I think it was a proper conviction, and on appeal I think they will uphold the conviction. Arm chair juror would be more like it. Don't bring your shit to the public eye if you don't want it scrutinized.

How would you propose he punched through window and grabbed the gun, but the bullet had glass on it as though it passed through a window. Do you think he stuck his arm through the window and grabbed the gun, with out the widow dropping somehow, side glass does not work like that? There is way too much here that doesn't add up.

What makes you think he is innocent? What bit of evidence is there the charge should be reduced based on WY definition of 2nd degree murder?
 

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Carver also testified that there were extremely fine fragments of glass in the skin around the bullet wound — grit similar to the bits in 600-grain sandpaper — seemingly suggesting the bullet went through glass before striking Baldwin. Yet Carver also testified that Baldwin had minute glass fragments lodged in his right hand — consistent with striking a window.

I guess I should have read fuckin the story better. :LOL: :ROFLMAO: :LOL:

IMO All the evidence point to him shooting a guy bending down knocking on his window. Who went through the glass after he was shot.

From their fund me page
James Baldwin had a long and violent criminal history (18 felony counts of vehicle burglary, as well as multiple counts of assault and evading police).

From the article.
Baldwin’s criminal history was more extensive. He had been arrested for driving under the influence, as well as for marijuana possession twice, had a charge of interference with a police officer, and garnered 19 counts of felony auto burglary on an evening when he and two friends broke into a series of cars and took phones, stereos, GPS devices, wallets, purses, and cash.

I don't think the fund me page is characterizing the other person fairly, if what was written in the article is true. Those are not violent crimes, and he was arrested once for breaking into cars. 19 counts whatever of dumb ass shit head, arrested 19 times for breaking into cars, there is a career criminal. There is a whole lot of untold story here.

https://scholarship.law.uwyo.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1144&context=wlr

Under current Wyoming case law, second-degree murder has two mental components. First, the defendant must intend to perform the act that causesthe other person's death, though he need not intend to cause the death itself.1
Second, the defendant must perform this act either with "hatred, ill will, or hostil- ity" or "without legal justification or excuse."2
Algd corndog ,I really think he made a bad choice sleeping in his vehicle in a strip club Carpark firstly,and secondly I agree with GBmaryland that he shouldn't have needed to use his weapon,he could have just gave him a couple of pokes to sort the matter out.
This is tragedy that could have been avoided so easily.