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Only problem is that we have little surviving evidence of Kahn's cavalry, etc. With a ton of evidence of the Injuns.

I am not disagreeing with you. Genghis Khan and the horse armies conquered huge swaths. But conflict archaeologists, historians and even sociologists/anthropologists are still trying to figure out their tactics and technology and organization.

So I'd be happy calling it a 'draw' at this point. With the odds being that Khan probably had the edge... we just have to prove it!

Sirhr
I’ll agree with this one caveat the US war College today is still teaching some of Genghis Khan’s tactics
 
Only problem is that we have little surviving evidence of Kahn's cavalry, etc. With a ton of evidence of the Injuns.

I am not disagreeing with you. Genghis Khan and the horse armies conquered huge swaths. But conflict archaeologists, historians and even sociologists/anthropologists are still trying to figure out their tactics and technology and organization.

So I'd be happy calling it a 'draw' at this point. With the odds being that Khan probably had the edge... we just have to prove it!

Sirhr
Kahan's cavalry was pretty well know with what they carried and how they fought.
Heck, even Russia (Ivan the terrible) had to build a quick temp wall to stop and corner Khan's cavalry (not Genghis but one of his kids) war tactics.
Horses that could run forever and a CRAP ton of arrows with bows that could sling them farther then the enemy they were fighting.
This video is embeded in the above link


edit - interesting tidbit, in the above video, Genghis left an opening for the Hungarians to retreat (which is a fake opening); the same idea that Syun Tzu teaches in "The Art of War'. Interesting to note - Russia has been doing the same in Ukraine.
 
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I’m with you on everything except where you say they were better light Cavalry then then Genghis Khan, Sorry but I disagree khan conquered most of Europe and Asia, The Comanche Concord part of the southwest.
Yes, but look at the numbers and ratio. The Comanches, at their most numerous periods, hardly exceeded more than 1000. Yet they controlled an area bigger than Great Britain. They raided into Central Mexico and spoke of little men in trees with tails . They would have claimed more land to the north as part of Comancheria but they didn't want it.

They ran the Apache out of the Southern Plains, something I doubt the Mongols could have done based on their horsemanship. If 100 Mongols rode out on the Great Plains and challenged 100 Comanches, I know who I'd put my money on. It wouldn't even be close.
 
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I’ll agree with this one caveat the US war College today is still teaching some of Genghis Khan’s tactics
They're also studied Sitting Bull's tactics from the Battle of Little Bighorn.
 
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Only problem is that we have little surviving evidence of Kahn's cavalry, etc. With a ton of evidence of the Injuns.

I am not disagreeing with you. Genghis Khan and the horse armies conquered huge swaths. But conflict archaeologists, historians and even sociologists/anthropologists are still trying to figure out their tactics and technology and organization.

So I'd be happy calling it a 'draw' at this point. With the odds being that Khan probably had the edge... we just have to prove it!

Sirhr
I would consider Khan's army a heavy cavalry, replete with siege engines and elephants. Not light cavalry.
 
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Yes, but look at the numbers and ratio. The Comanches, at their most numerous periods, hardly exceeded more than 1000. Yet they controlled an area bigger than Great Britain. They raided into Central Mexico and spoke of little men in trees with tails . They would have claimed more land to the north as part of Comancheria but they didn't want it.

They ran the Apache out of the Southern Plains, something I doubt the Mongols could have done based on their horsemanship. If 100 Mongols rode out on the Great Plains and challenged 100 Comanches, I know who I'd put my money on. It wouldn't even be close.
And, I'll go ahead and say it. Contrary to what one may have learned from "Dances with Wolves," the Comanche made the Sioux look like amateurs when it came to horsemanship...
 
I don't remember if it was from a movie or book but it was stated that the Sioux once attempted to invade either Apache or Comananche territory. You could follow the Sioux's return trail by the dead they left behind.
 
I don't remember if it was from a movie or book but it was stated that the Sioux once attempted to invade either Apache or Comananche territory. You could follow the Sioux's return trail by the dead they left behind.
Probably Crow, Sioux Nation is in the Dakotas and slightly into Wyoming. Crow Nation is Montana and Wyoming. Apache and Comanche are Oklahoma and Texas...IIRC. I grew up next to the eastern edge of Sioux Nation in South Dakota, the different Sioux tribes there still hate each other. I was TDY to North Dakota back in 1994, talking with a guy, he asked me where I was from and what tribe, I told him Crow Creek, and he said you're lucky, if you said Lower Brule (across the Missouri River on the west river side, Crow Creek is on the east river side), I would stab you to death right now...he was hopped up on fire water.
 
Probably Crow, Sioux Nation is in the Dakotas and slightly into Wyoming. Crow Nation is Montana and Wyoming. Apache and Comanche are Oklahoma and Texas...IIRC. I grew up next to the eastern edge of Sioux Nation in South Dakota, the different Sioux tribes there still hate each other. I was TDY to North Dakota back in 1994, talking with a guy, he asked me where I was from and what tribe, I told him Crow Creek, and he said you're lucky, if you said Lower Brule (across the Missouri River on the west river side, Crow Creek is on the east river side), I would stab you to death right now...he was hopped up on fire water.
What about turtle mountain…?
 
I grew up on a reservation, and the only time I’ve ever felt scared was on the Blackfoot res. In Montana I felt like those fuckers would kill you for a dime and give you 5 cents, change, a cop told me if you break down take everything you can carry and leave, cause your truck won’t be there in the morning….
I grew up on a reservation, and the only time I’ve ever felt scared was on the Blackfoot res. In Montana I felt like those fuckers would kill you for a dime and give you 5 cents, change, a cop told me if you break down take everything you can carry and leave, cause your truck won’t be there in the morning…..
That Browning MT by chance? I don't recall which res that is off hand but the town is sketchy. Stray dogs all over, businesses with the front doors ripped off. It felt like being in a 3rd world country.
 
Yup. That's the one. I Googled it. Funny thing there, I had a couple of drinks in the bar at the casino hotel on the edge of town. At the time it was just full of drunk Natives. I told the bartender they were doing it wrong. You need drunk white people to make an Indian casino bring in money. After chatting with him a bit, it turned out he he had moved there from a Rez in New Mexico. I wonder how bad it was in New Mexico to make him think it was an upgrade.
 
We did a lot of farming, ranching and putting up hay on the res. You didn't want to be "around town" (Fort Thompson) after dark when they got their gov checks...fire water and poors don't mix well. I broke down in the middle of the day putting up hay, had to go to town (Chamberlain) to get parts, and needed to finish putting up a quarter of hay before dad got home the next day. Around 11pm I'm still on the tractor baling and see headlights pull onto the approach at the far end of the pasture. Then I see someone walking around the vehicle, it was pretty far off, but someone was walking in front of the headlights and behind the tail lights. Figured it was some drunks, and they were coming out to steal anything they could get off of me. A few minutes later there's a red chevy pickup sliding sideways in front of my tractor to a stop...it was my dad, he was a fishing guide on the weekends, and the next day got cancelled for the same storm I was trying to finish baling hay before it rolled through. He opens the cab of the tractor, grabbed me by the collar and threw me down on the ground...then asked why I was still working, when I was supposed to be in town (not on the res) at the dance. Nothing like getting in trouble for not going out...the parts bill didn't even phase him, and it was about $500...that was in the late '80's when $500 was a lot of money for a farmer/rancher...or at least it was for us.
 
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I grew up on a reservation, and the only time I’ve ever felt scared was on the Blackfoot res. In Montana I felt like those fuckers would kill you for a dime and give you 5 cents, change, a cop told me if you break down take everything you can carry and leave, cause your truck won’t be there in the morning…..
Only time I’ve almost been robbed was in Browning, Montana on the Blackfoot res. Lucky for me I was well armed.
 
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Only time I’ve almost been robbed was in Browning, Montana on the Blackfoot res. Lucky for me I was well armed.
When I was in college I worked in the oil fields in the Four Corners area and spent lots of time on the Navajo , Ute and Jicarilla reservations servicing wells and compressors. The worst place was the Bisti Badlands on the Navajo. Unbearably hot in the summer and brutally cold in the winter. During the summer always carried a shovel to fend of rattlers that always were hanging around well sites. In the winter storms would roll in quickly on the plateau and you always had to be prepared just in case you got stuck in the middle of nowhere. Never will forget all the bucks standing in line at the Copper Penny liquor store at the crack of dawn waiting for the drive up window to open. It seemed like every night a few would get run over while walking on old highway 666 after staggering out of a bar.
 
When I was in college I worked in the oil fields in the Four Corners area and spent lots of time on the Navajo , Ute and Jicarilla reservations servicing wells and compressors. The worst place was the Bisti Badlands on the Navajo. Unbearably hot in the summer and brutally cold in the winter. During the summer always carried a shovel to fend of rattlers that always were hanging around well sites. In the winter storms would roll in quickly on the plateau and you always had to be prepared just in case you got stuck in the middle of nowhere. Never will forget all the bucks standing in line at the Copper Penny liquor store at the crack of dawn waiting for the drive up window to open. It seemed like every night a few would get run over while walking on old highway 666 after staggering out of a bar.
That sounds just like on the res back home. There was a res run/owned liquor store across the road from my uncle's gas station, they would be lined up around the building when gov checks came out...and staggering down the side of the road when the sun went down. Probably staggering down the road in the middle of the day too, but I was only going passed there in the morning and the evening. There weren't any bars on the res at that time, they all closed up, couldn't afford to stay open and keep repairing damage from the idiots. Pretty sad really.