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And Glocks do the same thing under the same circumstance, bring the trigger up to the wall, wiggle the slide, boom. So basically pull the trigger.



No I am comparing it to all the videos of SIGs with screws and nails stuck in the trigger holding it back which as above is essentially pulling the trigger.
There are crucial differences.

The Sig video you’re referencing used a screw to move the trigger less than 2mm on a gun that is single action. It basically eliminated take up before the sear even moved.

Then, since those pistols are fully cocked single action, the slide is wiggled and the sear walks off the striker. If the guns had a decent striker safety (Glock style safety plunger) even if the striker was released it would be blocked.

What is happening in some pistols is due to tolerance stacking, debris and the sear/striker walking due to the slide being subject to movement (due to actually being carried by cops and military). People who use the gun on a range or leave on a nightstand probably would not have any issue…probably.

It is postulated that lint can get in the back of the P320 right into the sear. Or, a weak trigger return spring can do what the video and screw did and simply remove takeup. Then during the jostling that comes with carry, the sear walks off the striker.

Glock, is not fully cocked when ready to fire. The striker is moved rearward when the trigger is pressed. At some point during the trigger press, the striker spring is fully compressed and the trigger bar moves down until the striker is released.

A GLOCK CANNOT FIRE BY ANY MANIPULATION OTHER THAN A COMPLETE TRIGGER PRESS, because it isn’t cocked (at least not enough to fire)

A Sig P320 with a fully cocked sear/striker can. Videos show a pick can be inserted into the rear of the slide and simply push the sear to release the striker. Just like you don’t carry or trust shotguns on safe because reasons.

Finally, there have been over 100 people who have had Sig P320s fire in a holster or otherwise not in a hand. A few died. Something is wrong and it would take suspension of good sense to believe there isn’t.
 
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Holy shit. (There's a pun in there if you know the story...all the toilet paper was stored in the bow.)

USS Pittsburgh (CA-72) shown missing bow in Guam, The remaining hull limped back to Guam under her own power for temporary repairs, despite the missing bow
On 5 June 1945, Typhoon Viper unleashed massive seas—waves over 100 ft and winds up to 70 knots—on Admiral Halsey’s 3rd Fleet. Pittsburgh was among 33 ships heavily damaged in the storm.
The ferocious wave ripped off around 104 feet of her bow, tearing at frame 26 and detaching the forward section completely.
Remarkably, engineered bulkheads held, and the rest of the ship remained watertight enough for survival.
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And Glocks do the same thing under the same circumstance, bring the trigger up to the wall, wiggle the slide, boom. So basically pull the trigger.


When I first got my Glock 19 back in the early 90's, it got to where I'd shoot it and it would fire again when I let off the trigger. I would deliberately hold the trigger back after the first shot, get back on target and release the trigger and it would fire again, every time. I sent it back to Glock and they fixed it.
No more trouble since then. But yes, there is enough tension on the striker when at rest that it will ignite the primer on the next round if it releases.
 
They will fire if bumped hard on the butt, even with the safety on.

Ex.- you don’t cross a fence when bird hunting until you unload your shotgun.

O/U for the win. Just crack it open and hand it to your partner.
Hopefully, he doesn't tip the shells into the dirt...
 
Holy shit. (There's a pun in there if you know the story...all the toilet paper was stored in the bow.)

USS Pittsburgh (CA-72) shown missing bow in Guam, The remaining hull limped back to Guam under her own power for temporary repairs, despite the missing bow
On 5 June 1945, Typhoon Viper unleashed massive seas—waves over 100 ft and winds up to 70 knots—on Admiral Halsey’s 3rd Fleet. Pittsburgh was among 33 ships heavily damaged in the storm.
The ferocious wave ripped off around 104 feet of her bow, tearing at frame 26 and detaching the forward section completely.
Remarkably, engineered bulkheads held, and the rest of the ship remained watertight enough for survival.
USS Pittsburgh (CA-72) shown missing bow in Guam, next to USS Duluth (CL-87).
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🇺🇸



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The front fell off. That’s not supposed to happen…..like ever.



Ouch, that hits too close to home. Square it at 75.

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I told my SIL last week that at 55 I am less than half as physically capable as I was at 45. The 50 mark was like a switch and boy it is frustrating at times to simply not be able to complete a task or lift that xxxx.
 
When I first got my Glock 19 back in the early 90's, it got to where I'd shoot it and it would fire again when I let off the trigger. I would deliberately hold the trigger back after the first shot, get back on target and release the trigger and it would fire again, every time. I sent it back to Glock and they fixed it.
No more trouble since then. But yes, there is enough tension on the striker when at rest that it will ignite the primer on the next round if it releases.
Noted. Connector angle (bend) was incorrect.

My example was that a Glock at rest is safe because the trigger bar cannot just slip off of the striker, it is impossible. The trigger bar has to move rearward and down to release. Backing it up is the plunger/striker safety that also takes a trigger pull to defeat.
 
Noted. Connector angle (bend) was incorrect.

My example was that a Glock at rest is safe because the trigger bar cannot just slip off of the striker, it is impossible. The trigger bar has to move rearward and down to release. Backing it up is the plunger/striker safety that also takes a trigger pull to defeat.
So in my case the trigger was STILL PULLED defeating these safeties, correct?
 
The front fell off. That’s not supposed to happen…..like ever.




I told my SIL last week that at 55 I am less than half as physically capable as I was at 45. The 50 mark was like a switch and boy it is frustrating at times to simply not be able to complete a task or lift that xxxx.


I’m 55 and couldn’t agree more 😕
 
There are crucial differences.

The Sig video you’re referencing used a screw to move the trigger less than 2mm on a gun that is single action. It basically eliminated take up before the sear even moved.

Then, since those pistols are fully cocked single action, the slide is wiggled and the sear walks off the striker. If the guns had a decent striker safety (Glock style safety plunger) even if the striker was released it would be blocked.

What is happening in some pistols is due to tolerance stacking, debris and the sear/striker walking due to the slide being subject to movement (due to actually being carried by cops and military). People who use the gun on a range or leave on a nightstand probably would not have any issue…probably.

It is postulated that lint can get in the back of the P320 right into the sear. Or, a weak trigger return spring can do what the video and screw did and simply remove takeup. Then during the jostling that comes with carry, the sear walks off the striker.

Glock, is not fully cocked when ready to fire. The striker is moved rearward when the trigger is pressed. At some point during the trigger press, the striker spring is fully compressed and the trigger bar moves down until the striker is released.

A GLOCK CANNOT FIRE BY ANY MANIPULATION OTHER THAN A COMPLETE TRIGGER PRESS, because it isn’t cocked (at least not enough to fire)

A Sig P320 with a fully cocked sear/striker can. Videos show a pick can be inserted into the rear of the slide and simply push the sear to release the striker. Just like you don’t carry or trust shotguns on safe because reasons.

Finally, there have been over 100 people who have had Sig P320s fire in a holster or otherwise not in a hand. A few died. Something is wrong and it would take suspension of good sense to believe there isn’t.

Question: Does the manual safety on the P320 block the trigger from being able to move at all? Meaning, that it would take the holster goblins out of the equation.
 
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I know some people don’t love Glocks. I know they are not the innovative leaders in handgun whizbangonomics. But imagine if you will, the 19X was adopted back then and the military went on to use it for decades with zero trouble FOR DECADES …. Just like the 1911, because it simply works. Birds sound sweeter, the sunrise is more glorious, women smell lovelier, penis size is enhanced and the military worries about other crap because the pistols they chose just do something amazing in this world of fawkups….they work.
Or the updated Beretta, both a better choice.
 
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Question: Does the manual safety on the P320 block the trigger from being able to move at all? Meaning, that it would take the holster goblins out of the equation.
It blocks the trigger but not the sear.

The striker block if working correctly would intervene but…

The block has been shown to not be 100% effective for a variety of reasons.
 
It blocks the trigger but not the sear.

The striker block if working correctly would intervene but…

The block has been shown to not be 100% effective for a variety of reasons.

I’m wondering if the manual safety was on in the AF incident. Cuz if the holster pulled the trigger back enough to disengage the firing pin safety then maybe some slide wiggle could have discharged the weapon.