Re: GAP VS SURGEON
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JSF</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ut755ln</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JSF</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You can't really go wrong either way. Surgeon makes a great rifle and if the parts they use are acceptable to you it's a great way to go. They are a what they build is what you get company. If you are looking for a rifle that is built to your exact specifications then Surgeon is out. You will have to go with GAP or another builder.
If you go with GAP or another builder, I would highly recommend you go with a Surgeon action. The integral rail and lug is a great benefit to the Surgeon action. I like to support the local guy's as well. We are lucky enough to have some of the best rifle builder's in the country right in our backyard. If Wade and Stephen don't have what you are looking for give John Beanland or Matt Perry a call. I shoot Surgeon factory rifles, but John or Matt would get my business if Surgeon did not have what I wanted. </div></div>The GAP Templar action is tighter in the raceway and lockup then the Surgeon. The integrated recoil lug and rail is a double edge sword. If you damage either, repairing them could be an issue which is why most manufacturers of actions don't integrate them. </div></div>
I would like to see what it would take to damage one. There is a reason the Surgeon is not as tight in the raceway. Less chance of the bolt sticking and not being able to operate the action. I have not used the Templar so I am not speaking about that action, but I had a defiance(Not the Templar) that was tight in the raceways and sand at a local match locked the damn thing up to then point I had to kick it open. I know GAP has them made to their specifications and George has plenty of experience, so they probably don't experience the same issues I had with my Defiance.
</div></div>While I like shooting long range, I am not a competitive shooter. I own a templar action and a surgeon. The GAP gun has functioned flawlessly since I owned it (bought it used). I bought a used surgeon as well and have had two issues with it. The Jewell trigger it came with would gum up and I replaced it. I had difficulty operating the bolt on a crappy weather trip.
Both GAP and Surgeon make very good products. Both companies support the community here in multiple ways. I have read countless threads from people who have never had issues with any of their guns.
I responded to this thread and gave what I believed to be accurate information about the actions and why they are designed a certain way. I am not playing favorites, just pointing out potential (if unlikely) pitfalls.