getting the right form

[black_ump]

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moving on, when i shoot at the bench i place my chest tword the butt stock, facing it so to speek then plant the buttstock into my shoulder and take my left hand and place under the buttstock to steady the rifle, and place the tip of my finger on the trigger. at the natural pause i pull the trigger, under dry fireing practice i always place on the target, under life fire it seems iam pulling, but my scope might not be dead nutz eaither.

are their any ways i can figure out if iam pulling of if the scope needs to be slightly adjusted more ? maybe let another shooter shoot ? any ideas ? does it sound like iam doing somthing wrong or maybe try another way to shoot ? i shot prone almost same tech but laying tword the rifle ( every one knows what prone shooting is ) and still seems like some pull or the scope is just a bit off

 

[praharin]

Re: getting the right form

Sounds like you might be flinching/anticipating recoil.

 

[black_ump]

Re: getting the right form

whats the best way to work on that ? i shoot a 308

 

[praharin]

Re: getting the right form

Randomly place dummy rounds. Have someone else fill your mag, put 1 or more dummy rounds somewhere in the middle-ish. If you are flinching or anticipating it will be very obvious to everyone when there is no recoil.

I have been there too. I had the problem when I was really young with a Mohawk 600 in 6mm Rem. Not a heavy recoiling round, and getting switched to a Pre-64 model 70 Featherweight in 234 Win fixed it somehow.

 

[Chris2152]

Re: getting the right form

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: praharin</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Sounds like you might be flinching/anticipating recoil. </div></div>

This or might be jerking the trigger not realizing it in anticipation of the recoil. I see it all the time when I am trianing these soldiers to go to thr range and zero and quail. I also see it when I am teaching CQB/CQM as they are moving around and jerking or slapping the trigger anticipating the recoil of the M4's.

Yes I know it sounds crazy for a M4 but if you do not hold and brace it into your shoulder it will recoil and I have seen some soldiers get smacked pretty good with it due to them being scared. I have also seen them get smacked with the charging handel or the Aimpoint or ACOG as they do not set them up right or they get to close to then. This inturn makes then do what they do when they have to go back to the range or doing any other type of reflexsive fire and stuff.

 

[SoulCapacitor]

Re: getting the right form

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: praharin</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Randomly place dummy rounds. Have someone else fill your mag, put 1 or more dummy rounds somewhere in the middle-ish. If you are flinching or anticipating it will be very obvious to everyone when there is no recoil.

I have been there too. I had the problem when I was really young with a Mohawk 600 in 6mm Rem. Not a heavy recoiling round, and getting switched to a Pre-64 model 70 Featherweight in 234 Win fixed it somehow. </div></div>

This works great. My nephew's groups tighten up after this exercise.

Dry-fire works to eliminate flinching as well. I've been shooting for about 22 years now and I still lay prone in the living room and dry-fire frequently. Just be sure to check the chamber and use snap caps.

If you have a camcorder handy, you can shoot yourself...[sorry just couldn't resist the bad joke]... shooting. Then while watching yourself have a book about the fundamentals of marksmanship open and go over each one. Slow-motion and multiple angles is your friend.

Start using a data book too! It's very essential to learning your own goofs. After each shot, place a dot where you think you hit on the target before seeing the results. Remember your sight picture and where your crosshairs or front sight tip was when the rifle went off. Then place another dot [use numbers referencing your shots instead]down of where you actually hit. You can learn alot this way. For instance if your shooting down and right from the your aim, you may be jerking the trigger when you flinch. That is if your right handed and your zero is accurate.

 

[Hogstooth]

Re: getting the right form

I suppose that when you say you are pulling you mean that your rounds are impacting at either 3o clock or 9 oclock? I am sure you are putting a few of them where you want them but where exactly are the rounds going that didn't hit where you wanted them? Post a pic of your groups if you can, easier to evaluate what you are doing if there are pics.

 

[.22 lefty]

Re: getting the right form

The way I was taught to eliminate "flinching" was to gradually put pressure on the trigger so when it does let go it is at a time when you can't predict or anticipate. that way when you do flinch it will be too late.

 

[kraigWY]

Re: getting the right form

A good way to see what is happening is to steal one of your kids laser pin lights (you know, the one they use to drive the cat crazy). Tape it to the muzzle of the rifle liked up as close as you can to the zero. Don't have to be exact.

Now dry fire, see what happens to the red dot when the hammer fires. If it jumps off the point of aim, then you can figure out what you need to work on.

Sounds like (though I'm not watching you shoot) your natural point of aim might be off. Meaning you sub-consciencely move the sights off your natural point of aim to get on target, and when you release the trigger, you fall back to your natural point of aim witch is off target. The laser dot will show this.

Lasers are quite common dry firing with pistols since they are used as sights but can be used with rifles.

Before anyone jumps into a hissy fit, I'm not talking about shooting with the laser taped to your rifle, I'm talking about dry firing.

 

[kentactic]

Re: getting the right form

if its shooting off target and you are creating a tight group in that location then you need to zero the scope. if its shooting randomly around the target then its you.

 

[Sterling Shooter]

Re: getting the right form

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: black_ump</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> not sure if this is the right place to post this so if it isnt and a moderator moves it please pm me and let me know where you placed it so i can check in on it.


moving on, when i shoot at the bench i place my chest tword the butt stock, facing it so to speek then plant the buttstock into my shoulder and take my left hand and place under the buttstock to steady the rifle, and place the tip of my finger on the trigger. at the natural pause i pull the trigger, under dry fireing practice i always place on the target, under life fire it seems iam pulling, but my scope might not be dead nutz eaither.

are their any ways i can figure out if iam pulling of if the scope needs to be slightly adjusted more ? maybe let another shooter shoot ? any ideas ? does it sound like iam doing somthing wrong or maybe try another way to shoot ? i shot prone almost same tech but laying tword the rifle ( every one knows what prone shooting is ) and still seems like some pull or the scope is just a bit off </div></div>

Follow-through, exerting only enough pressure to maintain consistent control over the rifle until recoil has subsided.

Use this step by step mental management program: shoulder the rifle, cognitive of a consistent, shot to shot, shooter, rifle, and ground relationship. Align sight with eyeball, without consideration for target, to avoid unconscious steering of the rifle. Adjust NPA for desired hold. Focus on sight picture. Pull trigger without disturbing aim, utilizing SMOOTH trigger control. Follow-through.

Think, as you are shouldering the rifle, there are five factors to a solid position: stock-weld, non-firing hand, grip, butt-to-shoulder, and elbow placement. These factors are ruled by the elements of a steady position: bone/artificial support, muscular relaxation. and NPA.