As the subject said. I am going crazy researching my options for installing a new heavy barrel on my 700 sps. My sps is the sporter model with the tapered barrel and it has to go. I want to find a 24 inch heavy barrel like there is on the m24. Can anyone please help me? I am trying so hard to find websites and companies who specialize in exactly what I am looking for. I would sure appreciate any help here I realy am going nuts and can not find anything for the life of me.
Going crazy for heavy barrels.
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Re: Going crazy for heavy barrels.
Call ANY of the top names, ask them about an M24 contour, if that is what you want.
Do not worry about length, if you get a 26" barrel, your smith can cut it to 24".
You need to decide if you want chrome-moly or stainless steel.
I really like my Lothar-walther barrel, but they do not do 5R rifling.
Here, buy this:
http://www.gunsamerica.com/905622404/Non-Guns/Barrels/Mike_Rock_5R_30_11_25_twist.htm
If you want, check here:
http://www.rockcreekbarrels.com/index.htm
Call ANY of the top names, ask them about an M24 contour, if that is what you want.
Do not worry about length, if you get a 26" barrel, your smith can cut it to 24".
You need to decide if you want chrome-moly or stainless steel.
I really like my Lothar-walther barrel, but they do not do 5R rifling.
Here, buy this:
http://www.gunsamerica.com/905622404/Non-Guns/Barrels/Mike_Rock_5R_30_11_25_twist.htm
If you want, check here:
http://www.rockcreekbarrels.com/index.htm
Re: Going crazy for heavy barrels.
Well, any competent gunsmith can hang a tube for you.
You need decide on a barrel maker and then the twist rate and a contour you want.
Then order the barrel and wait. Sometimes you can find what you want ready to go. Krieger has a list of barrels they keep in inventory. Then send your new tube and rifle to a smith.
But there is more to it than just that. While it is apart, its a good idea to have the action blueprinted. You'll need to have the stock opened up to accomodate the new barrel or buy a new stock. Then it should be bedded.
Like everything in shooting, the devil is in the details.
Well, any competent gunsmith can hang a tube for you.
You need decide on a barrel maker and then the twist rate and a contour you want.
Then order the barrel and wait. Sometimes you can find what you want ready to go. Krieger has a list of barrels they keep in inventory. Then send your new tube and rifle to a smith.
But there is more to it than just that. While it is apart, its a good idea to have the action blueprinted. You'll need to have the stock opened up to accomodate the new barrel or buy a new stock. Then it should be bedded.
Like everything in shooting, the devil is in the details.
Re: Going crazy for heavy barrels.
I dont know much but i think i have heard or read that a #8 or MTU is the biggest most go. but what do i know.
Do some research man.
theres some good threads in here, either check in the gunsmithing section or in the bolt action section just look around
some barrel companies would be: Hart, Krieger, Shilen, ER Shaw, Bartlein. thats just a few off the top of my head.
I havent been a member to long but i read way more than i post.
READ. READ. READ. AND READ SOME MORE
* and 3 people posted while i was writing this so go with what they say they know more*
---- but still check out the post's
I dont know much but i think i have heard or read that a #8 or MTU is the biggest most go. but what do i know.
Do some research man.
theres some good threads in here, either check in the gunsmithing section or in the bolt action section just look around
some barrel companies would be: Hart, Krieger, Shilen, ER Shaw, Bartlein. thats just a few off the top of my head.
I havent been a member to long but i read way more than i post.
READ. READ. READ. AND READ SOME MORE
* and 3 people posted while i was writing this so go with what they say they know more*
---- but still check out the post's
Re: Going crazy for heavy barrels.
How does the rifle shoot with the existing barrel?
Have you given any thought to putting a sleeve on the barrel - something like what they show on the teludyne site?
I don't know much about the company, outside from a few online blurbs, but from what I've seen it looks pretty hot.
How does the rifle shoot with the existing barrel?
Have you given any thought to putting a sleeve on the barrel - something like what they show on the teludyne site?
I don't know much about the company, outside from a few online blurbs, but from what I've seen it looks pretty hot.
Re: Going crazy for heavy barrels.
Sorry dudes, I forgot to tell you that I want a barrel chambered in .308 while I was on my soap box.
Sorry dudes, I forgot to tell you that I want a barrel chambered in .308 while I was on my soap box.
Re: Going crazy for heavy barrels.
I have not even shot the gun yet as it is brand new, but I am already wanting to buy the parts I need to turn it from a hunting rifle to a precision rifle.
I have not even shot the gun yet as it is brand new, but I am already wanting to buy the parts I need to turn it from a hunting rifle to a precision rifle.
Re: Going crazy for heavy barrels.
Do you have a specific projectile you want to shoot? This will determine your twist rate.
A good all around is a 10 or 11.25 twist.
Do you have a specific projectile you want to shoot? This will determine your twist rate.
A good all around is a 10 or 11.25 twist.
Re: Going crazy for heavy barrels.
Here is a list of what Krieger has in their inventory.
http://www.kriegerbarrels.com/RapidCat/WebPageImages/1246/6885//11-Dec-2010.htm
ETA:
Bruno's always has a great selection of barrels too. Check them out as well.
Here is a list of what Krieger has in their inventory.
http://www.kriegerbarrels.com/RapidCat/WebPageImages/1246/6885//11-Dec-2010.htm
ETA:
Bruno's always has a great selection of barrels too. Check them out as well.
Re: Going crazy for heavy barrels.
Id go with a 10 twist for starters and like everyone else says, you could go with just about any manufacturer. Rock barrels are a really good quality for the money.. or you could get stupid with the details ad pick the cream of the crop lot from some higher end barrel makers and pay alot more for it..
Id go with a 10 twist for starters and like everyone else says, you could go with just about any manufacturer. Rock barrels are a really good quality for the money.. or you could get stupid with the details ad pick the cream of the crop lot from some higher end barrel makers and pay alot more for it..
Re: Going crazy for heavy barrels.
I really like the mike rock barrels but he only makes the m24 contour in a 26 inch. I really would like 24 inch. Do you guys think that I could call him and have him make one special for me?
I really like the mike rock barrels but he only makes the m24 contour in a 26 inch. I really would like 24 inch. Do you guys think that I could call him and have him make one special for me?
Re: Going crazy for heavy barrels.
Just have it cut down when its installed.
26 inches is as long as it will finish. You can have it finish however short you want. Just tell the smith.
Just have it cut down when its installed.
26 inches is as long as it will finish. You can have it finish however short you want. Just tell the smith.
Re: Going crazy for heavy barrels.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: homedefender83</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I really like the mike rock barrels but he only makes the m24 contour in a 26 inch. I really would like 24 inch. Do you guys think that I could call him and have him make one special for me?</div></div>
They all come that length, the gunsmith whacks off the extra when they install it for you. A 26" blank makes a 16" to 26" barrel, well technically even shorter is possible but then the ATF gets involved.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: homedefender83</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I really like the mike rock barrels but he only makes the m24 contour in a 26 inch. I really would like 24 inch. Do you guys think that I could call him and have him make one special for me?</div></div>
They all come that length, the gunsmith whacks off the extra when they install it for you. A 26" blank makes a 16" to 26" barrel, well technically even shorter is possible but then the ATF gets involved.
Re: Going crazy for heavy barrels.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: brand692</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Just have it cut down when its installed.
26 inches is as long as it will finish. You can have it finish however short you want. Just tell the smith. </div></div>
Is that what gun smiths mean by " cut and crown", the barrel?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: brand692</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Just have it cut down when its installed.
26 inches is as long as it will finish. You can have it finish however short you want. Just tell the smith. </div></div>
Is that what gun smiths mean by " cut and crown", the barrel?
Re: Going crazy for heavy barrels.
Yes. One end of the barrel blank gets chambered, the other end gets cut and crowned and sometimes threaded for a suppressor or other muzzle device.
Yes. One end of the barrel blank gets chambered, the other end gets cut and crowned and sometimes threaded for a suppressor or other muzzle device.
Re: Going crazy for heavy barrels.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: homedefender83</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: brand692</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Just have it cut down when its installed.
26 inches is as long as it will finish. You can have it finish however short you want. Just tell the smith. </div></div>
Is that what gun smiths mean by " cut and crown", the barrel?
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Yes, but that should not be confused with set back and rechambered. When you wear the throat out on one of the barrel burning cartridges, there is still a lot of life left in the barrel, but the throat is gone, you can have your smith cut a couple threads off of the chamber end, have it rethreaded, re chambered, and re installed and get more life out of it. This is a setback and rechamber.
This of course is dependent on whether or not there is enough shank on the barrel to provide an adequate shoulder.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: homedefender83</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: brand692</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Just have it cut down when its installed.
26 inches is as long as it will finish. You can have it finish however short you want. Just tell the smith. </div></div>
Is that what gun smiths mean by " cut and crown", the barrel?
</div></div>
Yes, but that should not be confused with set back and rechambered. When you wear the throat out on one of the barrel burning cartridges, there is still a lot of life left in the barrel, but the throat is gone, you can have your smith cut a couple threads off of the chamber end, have it rethreaded, re chambered, and re installed and get more life out of it. This is a setback and rechamber.
This of course is dependent on whether or not there is enough shank on the barrel to provide an adequate shoulder.
Re: Going crazy for heavy barrels.
So when I get the new barrel installed, is it imperative that I have the action trued? OR, is getting the action trued all part of the barrel install?
So when I get the new barrel installed, is it imperative that I have the action trued? OR, is getting the action trued all part of the barrel install?
Re: Going crazy for heavy barrels.
No its not imperative.
And no its not part of the barrel install.
But it is something you should consider.
I wouldn't go to the work of installing a barrel without having it done. And it should be done at the time the barrel is installed.
No its not imperative.
And no its not part of the barrel install.
But it is something you should consider.
I wouldn't go to the work of installing a barrel without having it done. And it should be done at the time the barrel is installed.
Re: Going crazy for heavy barrels.
What would be an appropriate price to have a gun smith do all of this ie barrel install, and truing the action? Not including price of barrel.
What would be an appropriate price to have a gun smith do all of this ie barrel install, and truing the action? Not including price of barrel.
Re: Going crazy for heavy barrels.
Most places are going to charge you about 250-350 to true the action, chamber and crown the barrel.
Plus ±300 for the barrel.
I always figure a rebarrel at $700 bucks. Have to add in shipping charges to get the barrel, shipping charges to ship the barrel and rifle to a smith.
Don't forget. If you get a M24 contour, you will have to have the stock worked on too. And I'm not sure how much you can remove from a cheap plastic SPS stock before you have cut into the structural integrity of the stock.
Is this your first precision rifle? If so, I'd suggest to just buy a Rem 700 5R and learn how to shoot. They come with a decent barrel, a decent stock, and are probably one of the better "out of the box" rifles. Can be had for $1000 on GB.
Most places are going to charge you about 250-350 to true the action, chamber and crown the barrel.
Plus ±300 for the barrel.
I always figure a rebarrel at $700 bucks. Have to add in shipping charges to get the barrel, shipping charges to ship the barrel and rifle to a smith.
Don't forget. If you get a M24 contour, you will have to have the stock worked on too. And I'm not sure how much you can remove from a cheap plastic SPS stock before you have cut into the structural integrity of the stock.
Is this your first precision rifle? If so, I'd suggest to just buy a Rem 700 5R and learn how to shoot. They come with a decent barrel, a decent stock, and are probably one of the better "out of the box" rifles. Can be had for $1000 on GB.
Re: Going crazy for heavy barrels.
A Remington 5R or 700P. Both guns come with good barrels, stiff HS Precision stocks, good triggers. Trying to turn a SPS Cabele's special into a precision rig is the hard way to get into precision shooting. The amount of money you're going to spend would be better spent on quality optics and ammo. You should have gotten a rifle designed for that application and learned on it before going the custom route. HD83, are you experienced at shooting at all? The questions you've been asking give me the impression that you're a complete beginner.
A Remington 5R or 700P. Both guns come with good barrels, stiff HS Precision stocks, good triggers. Trying to turn a SPS Cabele's special into a precision rig is the hard way to get into precision shooting. The amount of money you're going to spend would be better spent on quality optics and ammo. You should have gotten a rifle designed for that application and learned on it before going the custom route. HD83, are you experienced at shooting at all? The questions you've been asking give me the impression that you're a complete beginner.
Re: Going crazy for heavy barrels.
Like said above check www.brunoshooters.com. I just picked up a Krieger #9 heavy target barrel in 30cal from them, or you can try Krieger and see if they have any barrels in stock that fit your needs. And 700-800 sounds about right for a rebarrel and action job including the price of the barrel.
Like said above check www.brunoshooters.com. I just picked up a Krieger #9 heavy target barrel in 30cal from them, or you can try Krieger and see if they have any barrels in stock that fit your needs. And 700-800 sounds about right for a rebarrel and action job including the price of the barrel.
Re: Going crazy for heavy barrels.
If you send your barreled action to Hart, they will true the action and install one of their fine barrels for about 650.
They turn out a really fine shooting rig.
If you send your barreled action to Hart, they will true the action and install one of their fine barrels for about 650.
They turn out a really fine shooting rig.
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Yes I am a complete beginner. I am simply wanting to change the stock now, then when I wear out this barrel I will change it.
Yes I am a complete beginner. I am simply wanting to change the stock now, then when I wear out this barrel I will change it.
Re: Going crazy for heavy barrels.
Sell the sporter SPS and buy a SPS Varmint (heavy barrel). Since you haven't even shot it yet, you shouldn't take that much of a hit, if any. Put a new stock on the Varmint and a decent scope and you'll have a set up that will serve your needs for a long time.
Sell the sporter SPS and buy a SPS Varmint (heavy barrel). Since you haven't even shot it yet, you shouldn't take that much of a hit, if any. Put a new stock on the Varmint and a decent scope and you'll have a set up that will serve your needs for a long time.
Re: Going crazy for heavy barrels.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fisky</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Sell the sporter SPS and buy a SPS Varmint (heavy barrel). Since you haven't even shot it yet, you shouldn't take that much of a hit, if any. Put a new stock on the Varmint and a decent scope and you'll have a set up that will serve your needs for a long time. </div></div>
I appreciate the advice as it is your intention to save me money. But, honestly I do not mind getting my feet wet with this gun and then changing the barrel later. Until then, I was thinking maybe I should invest in some good glass then shoot the crap out of it, then perhaps the stock, then the barrel. With my next quarterly bonus from my company I can easily send this gun to get re barreled as I do not mind spending the money later on in time. I think I most likely have a lot to learn before I can even take advantage of the advantages of a heavy barrel.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fisky</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Sell the sporter SPS and buy a SPS Varmint (heavy barrel). Since you haven't even shot it yet, you shouldn't take that much of a hit, if any. Put a new stock on the Varmint and a decent scope and you'll have a set up that will serve your needs for a long time. </div></div>
I appreciate the advice as it is your intention to save me money. But, honestly I do not mind getting my feet wet with this gun and then changing the barrel later. Until then, I was thinking maybe I should invest in some good glass then shoot the crap out of it, then perhaps the stock, then the barrel. With my next quarterly bonus from my company I can easily send this gun to get re barreled as I do not mind spending the money later on in time. I think I most likely have a lot to learn before I can even take advantage of the advantages of a heavy barrel.
Re: Going crazy for heavy barrels.
Good mount, rings and glass are a step in the right direction. The problem with the gun as is, between the flexible stock and the sporter weight barrel, you're not likely to get decent accuracy. You'll find yourself getting frustrated trying to get accuracy the gun isn't capable of. That SPS sporter is marketed towards Bubba the deer hunter to carry out into the woods a couple times a year, not precision shooting. If you have little to no rifle experience, you should look into getting an accurate 22 bolt rifle such as the Savage Mark II TR. It has a stock that has a similar feel to many center fire tactical stocks and the rifle is capable of MOA accuracy with good ammo. An accurate 22 trainer is perfect for practicing the fundamentals with. There are 20 to 25 MOA bases for the Savage that will allow you to shoot out to 2-300 yards with a good scope.
Good mount, rings and glass are a step in the right direction. The problem with the gun as is, between the flexible stock and the sporter weight barrel, you're not likely to get decent accuracy. You'll find yourself getting frustrated trying to get accuracy the gun isn't capable of. That SPS sporter is marketed towards Bubba the deer hunter to carry out into the woods a couple times a year, not precision shooting. If you have little to no rifle experience, you should look into getting an accurate 22 bolt rifle such as the Savage Mark II TR. It has a stock that has a similar feel to many center fire tactical stocks and the rifle is capable of MOA accuracy with good ammo. An accurate 22 trainer is perfect for practicing the fundamentals with. There are 20 to 25 MOA bases for the Savage that will allow you to shoot out to 2-300 yards with a good scope.
Re: Going crazy for heavy barrels.
I just got off the phone with my local gunsmith and him and I have come up with a plan for this gun. A shilen # 6 to 7 contour and the action blue printed and trued. All while installing an hs precision stock. How does this sound?
I just got off the phone with my local gunsmith and him and I have come up with a plan for this gun. A shilen # 6 to 7 contour and the action blue printed and trued. All while installing an hs precision stock. How does this sound?
Re: Going crazy for heavy barrels.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: homedefender83</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I just got off the phone with my local gunsmith and him and I have come up with a plan for this gun. A shilen # 6 to 7 contour and the action blue printed and trued. All while installing an hs precision stock. How does this sound?</div></div> sounds good as long as the price is comparable to what you have seen above. Did you happen to discuss twist of barrel? 1:10, 1:11.25 or 1:12..I know, opening up a whole new can or worms.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: homedefender83</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I just got off the phone with my local gunsmith and him and I have come up with a plan for this gun. A shilen # 6 to 7 contour and the action blue printed and trued. All while installing an hs precision stock. How does this sound?</div></div> sounds good as long as the price is comparable to what you have seen above. Did you happen to discuss twist of barrel? 1:10, 1:11.25 or 1:12..I know, opening up a whole new can or worms.
Re: Going crazy for heavy barrels.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JSTARSZ</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: homedefender83</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I just got off the phone with my local gunsmith and him and I have come up with a plan for this gun. A shilen # 6 to 7 contour and the action blue printed and trued. All while installing an hs precision stock. How does this sound?</div></div> sounds good as long as the price is comparable to what you have seen above. Did you happen to discuss twist of barrel? 1:10, 1:11.25 or 1:12..I know, opening up a whole new can or worms. </div></div>
No I havent but I am sure that before we order, we will discuss that. This guy seems really thourough. The price he is quoting me is 450-500 for barrel work, action work, and possible stock work.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JSTARSZ</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: homedefender83</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I just got off the phone with my local gunsmith and him and I have come up with a plan for this gun. A shilen # 6 to 7 contour and the action blue printed and trued. All while installing an hs precision stock. How does this sound?</div></div> sounds good as long as the price is comparable to what you have seen above. Did you happen to discuss twist of barrel? 1:10, 1:11.25 or 1:12..I know, opening up a whole new can or worms. </div></div>
No I havent but I am sure that before we order, we will discuss that. This guy seems really thourough. The price he is quoting me is 450-500 for barrel work, action work, and possible stock work.
Re: Going crazy for heavy barrels.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: brand692</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> And I'm not sure how much you can remove from a cheap plastic <span style="text-decoration: underline"><span style="font-weight: bold">SPS stock</span></span> before you have cut into the <span style="text-decoration: underline"><span style="font-weight: bold">structural integrity </span></span>of the stock. </div></div>
HAHAHHA
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: brand692</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> And I'm not sure how much you can remove from a cheap plastic <span style="text-decoration: underline"><span style="font-weight: bold">SPS stock</span></span> before you have cut into the <span style="text-decoration: underline"><span style="font-weight: bold">structural integrity </span></span>of the stock. </div></div>
HAHAHHA
Re: Going crazy for heavy barrels.
Rate of twist, while important, is not that much to worry about. Keep it in the 10 to 12 twist range and you will be covered for any of the bullets you are likely to shoot.
Rate of twist, while important, is not that much to worry about. Keep it in the 10 to 12 twist range and you will be covered for any of the bullets you are likely to shoot.
Re: Going crazy for heavy barrels.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Goose375</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: brand692</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> And I'm not sure how much you can remove from a cheap plastic <span style="text-decoration: underline"><span style="font-weight: bold">SPS stock</span></span> before you have cut into the <span style="text-decoration: underline"><span style="font-weight: bold">structural integrity </span></span>of the stock. </div></div>
HAHAHHA
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Cummon!!! Those things are rock solid!
I know. I've seen dumber stuff done
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Goose375</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: brand692</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> And I'm not sure how much you can remove from a cheap plastic <span style="text-decoration: underline"><span style="font-weight: bold">SPS stock</span></span> before you have cut into the <span style="text-decoration: underline"><span style="font-weight: bold">structural integrity </span></span>of the stock. </div></div>
HAHAHHA
Cummon!!! Those things are rock solid!
I know. I've seen dumber stuff done
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