Re: Got Testosterone?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tuna921</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Our goal was not to argue with anyone she has her opinions as do others.
The statement was made that you should counter act testoserone with HCG.This is no way true according to her. She is not a fertility Dr and doesn't believe in labs that seem a waste.Like I said before go to someone you trust and ask them the benefits and risks.
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If you add external testosterone, your own production, no matter if it is in the red zone, will decrease. Via the same mechanism, taking an anti-aromitization drug will result in a small net increase, easily observed. HCG stimulates the production to it's "native max." Contrary to statements earlier, simply taking HCG will absolutely increase test production, especially in a low T patient. How much depends on the individual. Think of it like a fire. You can add oxygen and it will burn brighter and feel hot... to a point before it reaches the highest burn given the fuel. If you remove the extra oxygen, you're stuck with a few embers and in order to burn you need more wood. HCG = more wood, no pun intended. It will burn bigger without adding oxygen. Seeing as the HPTA is responsible for the bulk of your metabolism and even much of your brain chemistry, leaving as much of it intact as possible seems like a no brainer.
Any doctor not adding HCG(or similar) and striving to maintain normality in every aspect of the HPTA outside of the added testosterone is quite simply without competence or genuine scientific interest in their profession of charging layfolks for the right to ingest compounds by first providing their written permission. Very little HCG is required to protect "natural" function, less than bodybuilders use as PCT ofter gangraping their HPTA, but allowing as a doctor for major biological systems, like your very abilty to reproduce, to be a functional "man", to lapse into dysfunction is somehwere between irresponsible and criminally negligent. Assuming shutting down every natural feedback system has no broader impact is also negligent "treating of symptoms, not treating the problem."
Not a fertility doctor? Pffft. How can the medical establishment allow such ignorance? That's like a gynoclogyst not being able to deliver a baby or even read a pregnancy test, yet actively prescribe birth control pills for acne. How do you control the function of a major organ and not understand the implications of your treatment? I'm flabbergasted and can't believe HRT has been legitimized yet no consideration to the system as a whole is apparently the professional standard of practice. Wow. Any Mr Olympia wannabe with a child has taken more appropriate safeguards, and that is just sad for all the men that don't have their careers on the line when it comes to their hormones and just want to feel young and still have kids without adding another doc to the payroll.
It doesn't matter who your wife is, her take on HCG is crap, as a basic unopinionated fact of how our bodies function. Sadly, there must be over a million people that could bring her up to speed on 1980's level bro-science male endocrinology(exceeding MD science in this case) but she is not accepting of the wealth of knowledge available. We're still waiting on a simple cite for your inaccurate allegation on liver function decreasing with testosterone levels, BTW. Insisting on simple scientific citation isn't shit slinging or even arguing. Declaring untruths behind a white jacket is though, and you've been called out twice now.
I am assuming your "counteract testosterone" phrasing was just your own mistake and not that of a doctor. The point is to take HCG so that your own production of test, and sperm production, and any other currently non-understood aspect of male hormone production, is left in its preferred(by default) natural state. Simply dumping testosterone into a body is not medically responsible any more than dumping cocaine into the brain of a chronically tired person just because it wakes them up in between doses.
To prevent sending an unintended message, everyone that feels middle-aged(which is the first stages of dying IMNTLFHO) should see a doctor despite my general disdane for their lack of contemporary knowledge and willingness to parrot summarized bologna... but on this matter I'm absolutely convinced it should only be a name-brand life extension doc since they're 20+ yrs ahead of the curve in this market. A vanilla endocrinologist or HRT "specialist", let alone your general practitioner ENT guy, is invarialy going to be a step down from a few hours dedicated to reading and a blank prescription pad. Do the reading and you'll see soon enough that the medical establishment is still in the bronze age, at best, comparing to say A-Rod's aunt's cousin's accountant's roommate's niece.
Every male should learn about testosterone production. If you don't care about supplementing it as you age, fine. At least know why filling your son with soy-added hot dogs or worse, filling him with soy baby formula, should land you in jail. At least learn that our real life measured testosterone production is off by 20% vs 3 decades ago and ask why. At least learn that if you have a doctor prescribe testosterone, they should be preserving your natural function not only in testosterone but sperm production and everything else that effected by not being a eunich. Or you can go ahead and be a eunich, your choice.
