Guess I am about to pack some gear and head for the border...

I’ve heard our plan of action along the border. What a joke it is as well. It’ll be about as effective as those people that put up gates on their flat lots over their driveways with no other barrier deterrent. People will just drive around or break through. If this is what our government thinks is an effective deterrent then we need new government all the way around because they are all idiots. Wait, we already knew they were idiots but damn this is a whole new level of stupidity.
 
https://www.voanews.com/a/pentagon-us-troops-headed-to-border-with-mexico/4634245.html

Doesn't say who, what unit, etc., just has a picture of soldiers in ACU's (could be a stock photo). Says active duty FWIW. I'm curious which unit it is and what ROE's they got. If they got one. 5200 is damn near the size of a light infantry Bde. IIRC, and they've got numerical superiority.

Whatever is on that ROE card, if it exists, is the real news story IMO. That'll put it succinctly and with no doubt the degree to which the gov. is serious about this. It's not often ROE cards are issued on US soil with live ammo. I had one on 9/11 and it was serious shit, they meant business.

So that card will dictate the amount of force they can use when they do cross the Rubicon, or Rio Grande to be exact, and thus a great indicator at how serious they are.

Anybody know anyone that deployed you can call to ask? May have had their phones taken but it's worth a shot.
 
It would take fewer busses than you think...
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What is the right thing to do? What do these people want? Do they wanna pay taxes? Do they wanna drink Budweiser and play horse shoes? Do they wanna shake veterans hands and thank them? Raise the American flag in their front yard with pride and thankfulness ? Enjoy the freedom ? Or is it for other reasons ? If it’s for other reasons I hope a better man then me comes up with a better idea then what I would want done.
 
Throw $ at Mexico and encourage them to deal. It will be messy at the US Border if it gets that far.
No idea whether Engineering sections of Mil can erect barricades rapidly, but that’s going to be
better PR than bulk bullets in beaners.
 
Laws will be applied to you big time my friend. You will for certain be arrested and lose your right to own a firearm.

Our time will come...you will know when

You and I both, will be dead and gone when that time comes. They know they cant win a civil war right now. Theyre dumb, but not that dumb. Evil will wait until the current 30-60 year olds are dead before it makes a serious move. Satan has no time frame.
 
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Trump said last night in an interview on Fox several key points.

1. Military, not guard, not reserves - military will meet them at the border.
2. Asylum seekers will be corralled and placed in tent encampments while they are vetted. Previous policy was to basically get their information and turn them loose, asking them to appear at their hearing. They never did of course.
3. Non Asylum immigrants will be considered to be illegal and handled accordingly - refused and deported.
 
Throw $ at Mexico and encourage them to deal. It will be messy at the US Border if it gets that far.
No idea whether Engineering sections of Mil can erect barricades rapidly, but that’s going to be
better PR than bulk bullets in beaners.

This is about the most productive idea yet...

It's far cheaper to stop conflict in advance than pay for the consequences.

Pay Mexico? We already pay Mexico. The deal can be their own... the phrase invented by the Columbians back in the fun '80s... Plato o Plombo. Silver or lead. You deal with this, we'll look at upping your aid and helping you on some trade. You don't deal with this, we cut off every cent of aid and hermetically seal the Southern border to all trade, tourism, cruise ships, airline flights (both ways), car traffic, money transfers, gas imports.

Chopping heads and cutting out hearts... c'mon guys. We're better than this around here. This kind of stuff just gives the alt.left an excuse to say we are all ignorant visigoths. Well, I do occasionally resemble that remark.

Realistically, this can be solved in a microsecond. In Mexico.

Then again... Carnival Cruise lines will bi*ct. Women in SanDiego whose maids don't show up will bi*ch. Gas prices will go up... we'll all bi*ch. Pork prices will go up and we'll be baconless and all bi*ch. CNN will... well, all they know how to do is bi*ch. And Republicans will cave because they are so busy trying to be liked, that they forget how to do their %$#$#ing jobs. The left... are happily doing their jobs. Ripping down our borders and making America safe for Communism... at least they are working for their Communist Comrade Constituents.

Personally, I'll take some austerity for a while... even an economic hit at home... to deal with this. Because in the long term, a massive economic hit on Mexico will turn into a pinprick on our economy that will fade into memory. And will give our idiot elected representatives an incentive to deal with the REAL problem.... which is coming up with a solution to allow LEGAL migrants to come up, do jobs, make coin, improve our economy and go home. Then again, I don't live paycheck to paycheck and a lot of people can't afford any austerity... so don't have the luxury of weathering a storm. Even a minor one. And they are good people, too.

Noone says we don't want these people. I'm all for looting the world of the best, brightest and most motivated. But we don't want them Illegally. Let them come to the border, fill out some forms, get a migrant labor visa, good for 300 days... an RFID bracelet.... a tax ID number with withholding... and an ability to renew that visa perpetually... as long as they return home once a year?

Immigration is good. It's illegal immigration that has to be stopped. Period. But politicians on both sides get elected using the issue to scare the people who they are supposed to represent. They aren't sent to capitals to lead. They are sent to represent. The vast majority of our citizens want Legal immigration, migrant workers to pick their food and a secure, safe, efficient border system.

Why haven't our representatives handled this core Constitutional function? Because they don't represent us in their minds... they rule us. And our opinion only matters every 2 or 4 years... when they pretend to be listening to voters.

Meh... all been said before.

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It looks like even the complicit MSM is finally having to report that there are some really bad people coming:

"Mexico authorities said migrants attacked its agents with rocks, glass bottles and fireworks when they broke through a gate on the Mexican end but were pushed back, and some allegedly carried guns and firebombs."

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6331353/Second-migrant-caravan-storms-Mexico.html

So a huge mass of "refugees" is heading here and they are armed with guns and bombs....

Sounds to me more like an irregular army of insurgents that needs to get dealt with.
 
Throw $ at Mexico and encourage them to deal. It will be messy at the US Border if it gets that far.
No idea whether Engineering sections of Mil can erect barricades rapidly, but that’s going to be
better PR than bulk bullets in beaners.
why the fuck would we give mexico money?....theyd pocket the cash and not do shit about the caravan

how about we tell mexico to deal with it....or else well cancel all visas into the US, and tax cash transfers from US to mexico at 100%

shoot anyone that tries to cross illegally.....and put them on pikes as a warning to others.
 
Trump said he would close the border. It will hurt us but it will kill Mex. I say if the border is closed Mex will resolve the problem within 72 hours.
 
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how about we tell mexico to deal with it....or else..... tax cash transfers from US to mexico at 100%

That is the part the Mexican government would care about the most & what we should hit them with. Don't threaten, just do it & then suggest we'll undo it if they comply and get those criminal invaders kicked back to their home countries.

They won't care nearly as much about the visas and their streets are already awash in dead bodes from the drug trade.
 
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https://www.voanews.com/a/pentagon-us-troops-headed-to-border-with-mexico/4634245.html

Doesn't say who, what unit, etc., just has a picture of soldiers in ACU's (could be a stock photo). Says active duty FWIW. I'm curious which unit it is and what ROE's they got. If they got one. 5200 is damn near the size of a light infantry Bde. IIRC, and they've got numerical superiority.

Whatever is on that ROE card, if it exists, is the real news story IMO. That'll put it succinctly and with no doubt the degree to which the gov. is serious about this. It's not often ROE cards are issued on US soil with live ammo. I had one on 9/11 and it was serious shit, they meant business.

So that card will dictate the amount of force they can use when they do cross the Rubicon, or Rio Grande to be exact, and thus a great indicator at how serious they are.

Anybody know anyone that deployed you can call to ask? May have had their phones taken but it's worth a shot.

I was told by someone going that they are being sent with weapons and 22 miles of razor wire lol, if that helps any. He didn’t say anything about his ROE. My guess is they are going to be a show of force and it will be whether or of the caravan calls the bluff or not but I doubt the ROE will be for any actual force to be used. I told him the use of razor wire is pretty laughable if that’s their actual plan. Lmao.
 
If you go up against a determined mob that doesn't care about anything or what they do to you, and you are unwilling to do anything to them that might hurt or inconvenience them. It doesn't matter what "safe" barriers you use, they will just get over them.

It's way past time for us to quit letting our enemies use our kindness and humanity against us. It's time we show them we can be twice as ruthless as their petty little dictators back home.
 
Throw $ at Mexico and encourage them to deal. It will be messy at the US Border if it gets that far.
No idea whether Engineering sections of Mil can erect barricades rapidly, but that’s going to be
better PR than bulk bullets in beaners.
Um, no. We're well beyond that point.

Machine gun sections make really good barricades.
 
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Trump said he would close the border. It will hurt us but it will kill Mex. I say if the border is closed Mex will resolve the problem within 72 hours.

Trust me,if they don't stop this,the migration of millions will come.
Let Central America deal with the problem,let Mexico deal with it since they didn't have the balls to stop them at their borders.

This is all part of the Mexico agenda.
 
Trump needs to recall the US Army from their overseas deployments, excepting SOF, and put them to work building a goddam barrier, mines, razor wire, moat, fire pits, walls. once thet is done then prepare the troops to invade that shithole south of us.

And let nato know we will not be redeploying them.
 
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Though I don't agree with allowing these people in to just disappear in our country illegally, per the Refugee Act of 1980, they have every right to make an appearance at the border and claim asylum "The Act recognizes that it has been the historic policy of the United States to respond to the urgent needs of persons subject to persecution in their homelands and to provide assistance, asylum, and resettlement opportunities to admitted refugees. The goal of the Refugee Act was to create a uniform procedure with which to provide these opportunities to refugees."
 
Funny there were supposed to be buses . How much you want to be some Mexican bargained to get twenty five grand from the gringos for buses . Low and behold Juan split with the caah and no buses . Kind of poetic .
 
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fuck non lethal, you admit you are wrong to use force when you use non lethal, just go to the napalm and call it a day, you will get teh same amount of blow back.

You know, the fucked up part about what you just said is how true it is...

Some pepper spray, microwaves, and loud noises == napalm to these dumbfucks.

Only one option there solves the problem permanently. I'd go with that.

If the amount of suffering we experience is equivalent in any case, go big or go home.

For the folks that get a little warmer than they wanted to, you shouldn't have tried to invade our country. Dumbasses.
 
I know its true thats why I said it. :)

You know, the fucked up part about what you just said is how true it is...

Some pepper spray, microwaves, and loud noises == napalm to these dumbfucks.

Only one option there solves the problem permanently. I'd go with that.

If the amount of suffering we experience is equivalent in any case, go big or go home.

For the folks that get a little warmer than they wanted to, you shouldn't have tried to invade our country. Dumbasses.