Guess we will know in the morning? *update*

[JR_77]

So is still on the NFA? What a joke. If so its a 99% loss. The hoops and BS and legal sht you have to go through and then the fines and penalties if not I couldnt care less about the $200. Its all the other BS that is the problem. Needs to be OFF the NFA. If they want to classify it as a firearm no problem, that would assure it cant be banned, and if I have to get a background check at a gun store to buy one thats fine. And I can make one myself with no serial just like a firearm. Thats fine.... Amending just to get rid of the $200..... they can shove that up their ......

It’s off the NFA and the $200 tax has been removed due to the Byrd rule (aka KKK grand wizard).
It will be classified as a firearm requiring a form 4473.

Still has to go thru the senate and signed by DJT. By using budget reconciliation to add the HPA the republicans avoided the senate filibuster and will require a simple majority to move out of the senate. Vance will be the tiebreaker.

 

[doubloon]

So is still on the NFA?

Nevermind, I'm an idiot

didn't click the link next to the amendment

https://amendments-rules.house.gov/amendments/Cloud_Amendment - SHUSH Act250520203539893.pdf

 

[Redmanss]

There will still very much be a market for high end and high quality suppressors.

This. The plethora of sub $500 AR builders out there haven’t put KAC out of business yet, and never will.

 

[JR_77]

BREAKING: House Passes Bill To Remove Suppressors From NFA - American Suppressor Association

WASHINGTON, DC – Early this morning, the House passed the amended reconciliation bill – including the FULL REMOVAL of suppressors from the NFA – by a 215-214 vote! This follows the American Suppressor Association’s efforts in leading a coalition of nearly 40 pro-Second Amendment organizations...

americansuppressorassociation.com

Passed the house with a 215 to 214 vote. That was close.

 

[Mongo68]

I’m sure they will still be outlawed here in KA. Someone please enjoy pseudo freedom on my behalf…

 

[doubloon]

BREAKING: House Passes Bill To Remove Suppressors From NFA - American Suppressor Association

WASHINGTON, DC – Early this morning, the House passed the amended reconciliation bill – including the FULL REMOVAL of suppressors from the NFA – by a 215-214 vote! This follows the American Suppressor Association’s efforts in leading a coalition of nearly 40 pro-Second Amendment organizations...

americansuppressorassociation.com

Passed the house with a 215 to 214 vote. That was close.

Nevermind, I'm an idiot

didn't click the link next to the amendment

https://amendments-rules.house.gov/amendments/Cloud_Amendment%20-%20SHUSH%20Act250520203539893.pdf

 

[lash]

Yes you are going to have junk come into the market for someone that is trying to make a buck.

And there will still be plenty of market for the low end product, just like there is for low end firearms. But as already pointed out, the high end manufacturers should do fine.

 

[VandelayIndustries]

So in the states where they are currently illegal what happens? I’m assuming they stay illegal but the penalty is no longer a felony? Maybe trumps doj will pursue this under the civil liberties like they’re talking about doing with awb bans and magazines bans? Opens the door to easier court challenges?

 

[anon]

RXD30Ti Suppressor

 

[NoDopes]

So, how long do we have to wait to see if it passes in the Senate?

 

[MO Fugga]

BREAKING: House Passes Bill To Remove Suppressors From NFA - American Suppressor Association

WASHINGTON, DC – Early this morning, the House passed the amended reconciliation bill – including the FULL REMOVAL of suppressors from the NFA – by a 215-214 vote! This follows the American Suppressor Association’s efforts in leading a coalition of nearly 40 pro-Second Amendment organizations...

americansuppressorassociation.com

Passed the house with a 215 to 214 vote. That was close.

One of those cocksuckers fell asleep during the vote!

 

[NoDopes]

Answering my own question....

• Senate Amendments: Senators, including some Republicans, have indicated they will seek substantial changes to the bill. This suggests a potentially lengthy debate and amendment process in the Senate.

 

[JR_77]

So, how long do we have to wait to see if it passes in the Senate?

Last I read is they wanted the house bill done by Memorial Day weekend and the senate to be done before July 2-3. Trump will sign right before July 4th.

 

[Landon4]

Last I read is they wanted the house bill done by Labor Day weekend and the senate to be done before July 2-3. Trump will sign right before July 4th.

I read the same

 

[Redmanss]

Last I read is they wanted the house bill done by Labor Memorial Day weekend and the senate to be done before July 2-3. Trump will sign right before July 4th.

FIFY. House target was Memorial Day.

Murkowski and Collins are likely the worst on the RINO side to sacrifice this measure on the Senate version.

 

[JR_77]

FIFY. House target was Memorial Day.

Murkowski and Collins are likely the worst on the RINO side to sacrifice this measure on the Senate version.

Yes Memorial Day it’s corrected thanks.

Murkowski and Collins I’m sure will vote no plus the turtle McConnell so that would be 50/50 with Vance as the tiebreaker.

I don’t think Cornyn will vote no as he is getting primaried and attacked to his right by AG Paxton so don’t believe Cornyn would risk voting against Trumps Big Beautiful Bill it would cement his primary loss for sure in Texas. Cornyn’s a democrat but he’s not that stupid.

 

[Mean_Man]

It’s off the NFA and the $200 tax has been removed due to the Byrd rule (aka KKK grand wizard).
It will be classified as a firearm requiring a form 4473.

Still has to go thru the senate and signed by DJT. By using budget reconciliation to add the HPA the republicans avoided the senate filibuster and will require a simple majority to move out of the senate. Vance will be the tiebreaker.

Keeping it legally a firearm is allegedly to keep them under 2A protection. I get the logic but the actual problem is California and similar states would go after them if they weren’t under the 2A for sure. At least this way there’s some reasonable defense against their infringements of the people’s rights.

 

[Redmanss]

Yes Memorial Day it’s corrected thanks.

Murkowski and Collins I’m sure will vote no plus the turtle McConnell so that would be 50/50 with Vance as the tiebreaker.

I don’t think Cornyn will vote no as he is getting primaried and attacked to his right by AG Paxton so don’t believe Cornyn would risk voting against Trumps Big Beautiful Bill it would cement his primary loss for sure in Texas. Cornyn’s a democrat but he’s not that stupid.

McBitch is certainly a wild card in this one.

The biggest problem for it is Collins is the chair of the Appropriations Committee plus Murkowski and McBitch are both on it as well. That’s a major threat for it to be stripped in committee and never hit the floor vote. I still give it <3% survival chance.

 

[JR_77]

Keeping it legally a firearm is allegedly to keep them under 2A protection. I get the logic but the actual problem is California and similar states would go after them if they weren’t under the 2A for sure. At least this way there’s some reasonable defense against their infringements of the people’s rights.

I’m no attorney but that’s the legal theory they are espousing.

 

[NoDopes]

I mean... there's legal theory... then there examples like Illinois banning AR15s for years while it's tied up in courts despite being clearly unconstitutional directly called out by the SC.

 

[Im2bent]

McBitch is certainly a wild card in this one.

The biggest problem for it is Collins is the chair of the Appropriations Committee plus Murkowski and McBitch are both on it as well. That’s a major threat for it to be stripped in committee and never hit the floor vote. I still give it <3% survival chance.

If Trump wants this bad enough he'll make a backroom deal with those scumbags and get it through . Nothing like some pork to grease the wheels of American politics.

 

[MO Fugga]

Isn't Rand Paul a No because a debt ceiling hike?

 

[lash]

Isn't Rand Paul a No because a debt ceiling hike?

I didn’t ask him…

 

[hlee]

Hot take… HPA and $0 tax were included as sacrificial cows, easily jettisoned to appease someone and save the rest of the bill.

 

[lash]

Sadly, you may not be far off. The art of the deal means you have to be willing to give up something to get something. Therefore always ask for more than necessary or wanted.

 

[748rpilot]

I mean... there's legal theory... then there examples like Illinois banning AR15s for years while it's tied up in courts despite being clearly unconstitutional directly called out by the SC.

AR15s, AKs, SKS with detachable mags, pistols that accept a magazine anywhere but the grip (think Flux Raider), pistols with threaded barrels, any semi-auto with a pistol grip (including shotguns), thumb hole or folding stock, any 50 BMG, any semi-auto rifle with a flash suppressor, any semi-auto rifle with a fixed magazine greater than 10 rounds, any belt-fed semi-auto and now they are working on banning all Glocks specifically.

They're totally not coming for our guns though.

 

[JR_77]

The biggest problem for it is Collins is the chair of the Appropriations Committee plus Murkowski and McBitch are both on it as well.

I read that Collins was the chair but didn’t know the other two were all on the same committee.

Does Elaine Chao need to be an ambassador somewhere in the Mediterranean along the Amalfi coastline?

Trump scratched Mitch’s back in his first term maybe it will happen again?

 

[clcustom1911]

So IMO you are going to see quality go up. Right now the only suppliers are the ones who have done the licensing to manufacture them. Gun people are assuming the present companies are making the best product available. I believe when you open it up to any manufacturer you are going to see better ways, more innovative ideas and higher quality from larger companies with better tooling.

Also with competition prices will lower and selection will increase. Yes you are going to have junk come into the market for someone that is trying to make a buck.

Yup. Look at the optics, precision rifle, and AR industry the last 10-15 years. Absolute explosion.

 

[clcustom1911]

If Trump wants this bad enough he'll make a backroom deal with those scumbags and get it through . Nothing like some pork to grease the wheels of American politics.

8,000,000,000$ more to israel.

 

[Mean_Man]

8,000,000,000$ more to israel.

I’m a lot more okay with that than to Ukraine

 

[XTREM HTR16]

Best part is if they are considered same as firearms under 4473, then those of us in states that can sell firearms to other citizens of the same state without filling out a 4473, will be able to easily sell our "pre-owned" suppressors. Used suppressor market will explode....

 

[Maggot]

Nevermind, I'm an idiot

didn't click the link next to the amendment

https://amendments-rules.house.gov/amendments/Cloud_Amendment - SHUSH Act250520203539893.pdf



$0 transfer, suppressors only, nothing about removal from NFA that I can see

This is a link to a comparative document that shows the difference between the current and previous versions

https://rules.house.gov/sites/evo-s...l-to-bill_bills-119pih_to_rcp_119-3_final.pdf

https://nypost.com/2025/05/21/us-news/trumps-big-beautiful-bill-clears-final-hurdle-before-house-floor-vote/

Here are the highlights of what’s inside the “One Big Beautiful Bill Act:”​

• Permanent extension of the individual income tax cuts in the 2017 Tax Cuts and Jobs Act, with some adjustments.
• Temporary elimination of taxes on qualified tips, overtime pay and car loan interest payments.
• An additional deduction for senior Americans in lieu of no taxes on Social Security (there are procedural reasons why Republicans can’t do no taxes on Social Security, namely the Byrd Rule).
• SALT cap increase to $20,000 for married individuals filing separately ($250,000 income limit) and $40,000 in the case of any other taxpayer ($500,000 income limit).
• Hikes debt ceiling by $4 trillion, which is forecasted to become a problem sometime after July or August if Congress fails to act.
• $175 billion for border security, including $46.5 billion for the construction of a wall along the US-Mexico border specifically.
• $150 billion in additional funding for defense, including $25 billion for Trump’s space-based Golden Dome missile defense system, $34 billion to expand the Navy’s capacity and shipbuilding, $21 billion to replenish America’s ammunition stockpile and $5 billion for border security.
• A mandated 80-hour-per-month work requirement on able-bodied adults ages 19-64 enrolled in Medicaid. Volunteer work and school would count toward the requirement.
• States that provide Affordable Care Act expansion of Medicaid coverage for illegal immigrants will see their reimbursement rates drop.
• States with error rates on SNAP benefits would be required to pay a percentage of the program (historically, the feds paid for all of it).
• Set up a fast-track system for permitting natural gas if applicants pay either 1% of a project’s costs or $10 million, whichever amount is less.
• Ends the Biden-era electric vehicle mandate for two-thirds of new car sales to be EVS by 2032.
• Able-bodied adults without children would also see work requirements for SNAP, which currently last until the age of 54, jump to the age of 64.
• New “Trump” savings accounts for parents and guardians where the feds will pay $1,000 for children born between Jan. 1, 2024, and Dec. 31, 2028.
• Restrictions on large abortion providers such as Planned Parenthood from getting Medicaid funding.
• Restrictions on Medicaid funding for transgender surgeries.
• Eliminate the $200 tax on gun silencers.
• Tax of up to 21% on certain university endowments.
• Consolidate student loan payments into two options: 1.) standard program, encompassing monthly payments over a 10 to 25 year period 2.) “repayment assistance” program that is more lenient.
• Roll back key provisions of the Inflation Reduction Act.
• Air Traffic Control modernization.

The one that sets me off is money for babies.

Why should Joe and Sally get a free thousand and the rest of us dont. Isn't that kind of like college debt forgiveness? Or the old welfare where skank gets more pay for each kid...which she gives to her 'man' for coke and booze?

Where's my K?

 

[Maggot]

I’m a lot more okay with that than to Ukraine

Really, you'd rather give 8 billion to a bunch who thinks of you as Goy?

 

[jpjulian]

My guess is that suppressors will remain illegal in Illinois in perpetuity. That is until the courts, as they did for concealed carry, impose a mandate. I will not hold my breath. SCOTUS just doesn't have the urgency.

 

[clcustom1911]

My guess is that suppressors will remain illegal in Illinois in perpetuity. That is until the courts, as they did for concealed carry, impose a mandate. I will not hold my breath. SCOTUS just doesn't have the urgency.

In the individual states where they are banned, they will remind banned. This whole rigmarole has nothing to do with individual state's laws.

 

[Mongo68]

My guess is that suppressors will remain illegal in Illinois in perpetuity. That is until the courts, as they did for concealed carry, impose a mandate. I will not hold my breath. SCOTUS just doesn't have the urgency.

Same here in Kalifornia

 

[SilentStalkr]

Well?

 

[748rpilot]

My guess is that suppressors will remain illegal in Illinois in perpetuity. That is until the courts, as they did for concealed carry, impose a mandate. I will not hold my breath. SCOTUS just doesn't have the urgency.

As with SBRs and SBSs.

Hell, Illinois are trying to ban Glocks. All of them.

 

[Gunfighter14e2]

Is all this just a Carrot & string leading donkeys pulling a heavy wagon? I have to wonder what is really going on behind door #1 as some of this is not adding up to me. Hope I am wrong,...but the smell is getting stronger.

 

[clcustom1911]

Is all this just a Carrot & string leading donkeys pulling a heavy wagon? I have to wonder what is really going on behind door #1 as some of this is not adding up to me. Hope I am wrong,...but the smell is getting stronger.

The debt ceiling was raised another $4,000,000,000,000 in this bill.

So much for fiscal responsibility.

 

[supercorndogs]

I don't think HPA is pulling or driving the "big beautiful bill." For anyone who has week long memory, didn't they try to remove it from the bill? Not just remove it but remove the tax. Which would have both created a need for more agents to process a mountain of new free form 4s and bottlenecked suppressor purchasing wating for zero dollar approvals.

 

[whiskeytower]

Oh and kept the 10k fine for failing to pay the zero tax.....lol

 

[Gunfighter14e2]

I don't think HPA is pulling or driving the "big beautiful bill." For anyone who has week long memory, didn't they try to remove it from the bill? Not just remove it but remove the tax. Which would have both created a need for more agents to process a mountain of new free form 4s and bottlenecked suppressor purchasing wating for zero dollar approvals.

Or when it fails, just to upset the right a little more, hoping one day we will lose self control, to allow them total control?

 

[W54/XM-388]

The debt ceiling was raised another $4,000,000,000,000 in this bill.

So much for fiscal responsibility.

NOBODY in the entire government and political system is willing to actually do the cuts that would be needed to live within a budget of what the government takes in and not needing to live on debt.

(and NO the demonrats constant mantra of "raise taxes on the "rich"" wouldn't make more than a tiny dent in the issue)

The right wing side loves the glorious uniforms and military and being the new Rome and killing folks all over the world
The left wing side loves giving taxpayer money to everybody except the hard working, taxpaying citizens.

The interest alone on our existing Federal debt is so huge, it is almost the biggest budget block expense.

There would be no way to raise taxes enough to "balance the budget".
The government could go super evil and steal all the money from everybody and totally crash the economy and destroy the country and it still wouldn't be enough.

You would need radical and drastic changes, including going back to a military that just does homeland defense and isn't playing Neo Roman Empire.

It would require an end to all social welfare programs and all handouts "for the children" and such.
(Social Security would be fine, it currently runs essentially even in the Ponzi scheme, but it would have to be limited to ONLY those citizens and lawful permanent residents who actually paid in, none of this siphoning off money for healthcare for illegals)

It would require a complete end to ALL foreign aid of any type for anyone. (And we all know with Israel controlling our government and many of our politicians being more loyal to their Israeli citizenship than to their USA citizenship, that's not going to happen)

It would require essentially getting rid of a huge amount of government workers, such as ALL those in the departments dealing with "social welfare and social assistance".

It would mean no more grants to the States to empower Uniform Hangers or pay for free food or such for others.
It would require no more benefits at all for illegals.

In short nobody in politics has the will to do so because ALL they care about is power and staying in power.

So it will go on and the debt will go up until one day it all hits the wall and there is some huge economic crash and hyper inflation and it all resets after all the common folk lose everything and the rich and bankers grab it all. Then folks can be allowed to go slave away again to try to earn back what they once had.

It's coming and it's the only way this ever ends.

Debt is what takes down most empires.

 

[SilentStalkr]

NOBODY in the entire government and political system is willing to actually do the cuts that would be needed to live within a budget of what the government takes in and not needing to live on debt.

(and NO the demonrats constant mantra of "raise taxes on the "rich"" wouldn't make more than a tiny dent in the issue)

The right wing side loves the glorious uniforms and military and being the new Rome and killing folks all over the world
The left wing side loves giving taxpayer money to everybody except the hard working, taxpaying citizens.

The interest alone on our existing Federal debt is so huge, it is almost the biggest budget block expense.

There would be no way to raise taxes enough to "balance the budget".
The government could go super evil and steal all the money from everybody and totally crash the economy and destroy the country and it still wouldn't be enough.

You would need radical and drastic changes, including going back to a military that just does homeland defense and isn't playing Neo Roman Empire.

It would require an end to all social welfare programs and all handouts "for the children" and such.
(Social Security would be fine, it currently runs essentially even in the Ponzi scheme, but it would have to be limited to ONLY those citizens and lawful permanent residents who actually paid in, none of this siphoning off money for healthcare for illegals)

It would require a complete end to ALL foreign aid of any type for anyone. (And we all know with Israel controlling our government and many of our politicians being more loyal to their Israeli citizenship than to their USA citizenship, that's not going to happen)

It would require essentially getting rid of a huge amount of government workers, such as ALL those in the departments dealing with "social welfare and social assistance".

It would mean no more grants to the States to empower Uniform Hangers or pay for free food or such for others.
It would require no more benefits at all for illegals.

In short nobody in politics has the will to do so because ALL they care about is power and staying in power.

So it will go on and the debt will go up until one day it all hits the wall and there is some huge economic crash and hyper inflation and it all resets after all the common folk lose everything and the rich and bankers grab it all. Then folks can be allowed to go slave away again to try to earn back what they once had.

It's coming and it's the only way this ever ends.

Debt is what takes down most empires.

Oh it could end if men would be men and do what is right. But yes, I believe your assessment is spot on.

 

[Maggot]

NOBODY in the entire government and political system is willing to actually do the cuts that would be needed to live within a budget of what the government takes in and not needing to live on debt.

(and NO the demonrats constant mantra of "raise taxes on the "rich"" wouldn't make more than a tiny dent in the issue)

The right wing side loves the glorious uniforms and military and being the new Rome and killing folks all over the world
The left wing side loves giving taxpayer money to everybody except the hard working, taxpaying citizens.

The interest alone on our existing Federal debt is so huge, it is almost the biggest budget block expense.

There would be no way to raise taxes enough to "balance the budget".
The government could go super evil and steal all the money from everybody and totally crash the economy and destroy the country and it still wouldn't be enough.

You would need radical and drastic changes, including going back to a military that just does homeland defense and isn't playing Neo Roman Empire.

It would require an end to all social welfare programs and all handouts "for the children" and such.
(Social Security would be fine, it currently runs essentially even in the Ponzi scheme, but it would have to be limited to ONLY those citizens and lawful permanent residents who actually paid in, none of this siphoning off money for healthcare for illegals)

It would require a complete end to ALL foreign aid of any type for anyone. (And we all know with Israel controlling our government and many of our politicians being more loyal to their Israeli citizenship than to their USA citizenship, that's not going to happen)

It would require essentially getting rid of a huge amount of government workers, such as ALL those in the departments dealing with "social welfare and social assistance".

It would mean no more grants to the States to empower Uniform Hangers or pay for free food or such for others.
It would require no more benefits at all for illegals.

In short nobody in politics has the will to do so because ALL they care about is power and staying in power.

So it will go on and the debt will go up until one day it all hits the wall and there is some huge economic crash and hyper inflation and it all resets after all the common folk lose everything and the rich and bankers grab it all. Then folks can be allowed to go slave away again to try to earn back what they once had.

It's coming and it's the only way this ever ends.

Debt is what takes down most empires.

OR

We could do what Mexico did years ago, just knock one 0 off the end of all monies. So our 30 trillion debt becomes 3 trillion. Much more manageable.

'Murica'.

More seriously though, yep, human nature is bound to destroy itself.

 

[LMTMWS]

I wonder if this means no more manufacturing in a place like Colorado where manufacturing your own firearm is "illegal."

 

[Gunfighter14e2]

Oh it could end if men would be men and do what is right. But yes, I believe your assessment is spot on.

We have been a country of washer woman for a very long time.

 

[Gunfighter14e2]

Debt is what takes down most empires.

Debt is a TOOL for control. Most people do not realize when they ink paper for debt, they are handing their leash with a smile, to the debt holder. It has always amazed me to see people bitching how much dick, they have to suck to hold their job. Could be if they were not so deep in debt, they willingly signed for, they could tell the boss to fuck off at will.

 

[SilentStalkr]

Couldn’t have said it better myself.