Help with chamber length.

clrems77

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I've been following the Hornady manual and trimming my brass to the recommended 2.005. Recently I read an article about measuring chamber length of your rifle to obtain the maximum length which will in turn provide less jump equaling better accuracy.

So I bought a Sinclair chamber length gauge and found my chamber to be max length at 2.040. The article stated that it is recommended to trim back between .001-.003 from max for best results. So if I trim back .003, my cases measure 2.037 but does that seem too long?

My TAP rounds come out of the box at 2.015, Hornadys max case length. Does this mean shoot and size a few times till I reach the desired 2.037 then keep them trimmed from there?

Thanks In advance!
CJ
 
I believe you are getting two things confused here. The "jump" has nothing to do with your brass length. As long as your brass is trimmed to a short enough length that it doesn't get pinched by the lands you are fine (less than 2.040) trimming them to 2.005 just will allow you to fire them quite a few times before they need re trimming.

The "jump" is the measurement of the distance your selected bullet's ogive has before it contacts the lands. This will take a Hornady OAL gauge and a modified case to find (or other homemade gauges). Some bullets such as SMK's, Hybrids and Amax bullets take a large jump (.020-.090") rather well, while bullets like VLD's like to be .010" off to jammed in the lands to shoot well (be very careful with loads approaching or into the lands as you can get massive pressure spikes).

And you maybe be referring to the "trimming" back .001-.003" as the sizing process. It is good practice to set up your FL sizing die to only bump the shoulder back .001-.003" for best case life but most won't recommend that being the amount you jump your bullets as the bullets measurements can vary more than that and some of them may be in the lands and some slightly off netting you drastic differences in pressure from round to round.

I hope this helps out
 
I think it's safe to say that the majority of guys would not allow 308 brass to grow to 2.04". The longest brass I have measured is about 2.02". It would take quite a few firings to get it that long, and that is if you don't clean up the mouths. After firing and cleaning, my mouths are not very uniform, and need chamfering and deburring. In doing this, the mouth is slightly weakened, and will invariably deform a bit and even peen inward during the cleaning stage. Right there, you are losing a little bit of length. Repeating the cycle over and over again, you are only gaining a few thousandths each time. By the time you would get to 2.04", if possible, the brass will have so many firings on it, that it might be at the end of its usable life. I try to trim my brass to around 2.01" give or take, mainly to ensure that my mouths are square and are well chamfered. I see no real benefit in having your brass purposely grow longer.
 
Well considering the simple fact that the op did'nt mention caliber, i assume from your lengths that you shoot a 308 or case based thereof.

Letting brass grow to the optimal trim length in your rifle can have it's advantages, if it's 2.040 the max length, at least if your not very closely measuring case growth 0.10 less is a more ideal number, you can go closer but do so on your own risk, as you need to monitor brass growth to do it safely.
Now 2.040 is really too long to let your cases stretch to as mentioned above, but trimming them down more then needed certainly has no benefit.

I let my brass grow to length, and trim / chamfer on the Giraud every firing after the desired length is reached.
But factory chambers are normally grossly oversized, so it is not always optimal, or achieveable, but certainly a dimension to keep in mind if you ever buy a custom reamer.
Trimming your brass to a consistent length every firing will help keeping neck tension and seating pressure equal and reduce SD and ES.
But if you just run them through a bushing die, and think neck tension becomes uniform as a result, while skimping on brass prep.
You have some improvement potential in your reloading process, and trimming to a consistent length is just one of the factors affecting it.

Going shorter then 2.015 as your brass comes from the factory, gives you absolutely no advantage at all, and is not sound advice.

The shorter your brass is in relation to your max chamber length, the longer time the brass will use to seal the chamber walls during firing.
Carbon deposits in your chamber, the dreaded carbon ring, is deposited by back flow, and this can be greatly reduced by shortening the gap between the case mouth and chamber end.
The slower bruning powder and the more capacity the case has the greater the benefit will be.
In a 308 with a clean burning and fast powder like the N140 this will be a lot less noticeable compared to a 7 WSM using VV N570.

With a big end clearance in your chamber, you have a lower angle(less resistance) for back flow to move into unsealed neck clearances. With this you have pressure both inside and outside the necks which affects consistent sealing, raising ES, and you see carbon sooting all the way to shoulders..

With relatively small end clearance in your chamber, any flow would be at a very high angle, and so there is less. The neck seals faster, and any small flow stops before depositing carbon at a concerning rate.

For a BR shooter or and obsessive cleaner this won't matter much, but if do high round counts between cleaning( F-class, Tactical) it will matter, and a carbon ring can be a killer during a match.
Besides getting rid of carbon rings, can require rather harsh cleaning procedures witch i am not a fan of.

If you do not believe me get a borescope and test it your self.
As i have found it also improves my ES slightly, i see no reason to not let the brass grow to optimal length as it clearly has it's advantages.
As noted though in a factory chamber this might not be achieveable in a sane manner, but going short has no advantage.

It's not basic reloading skills, but it does not mean it makes no difference.
 
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