Rifle Scopes Hensoldt 3.5-26x56

[HD1911]

The peanut gallery comments are typical, but like the liberals say: Don't agree with abortion? Don't have one. Lexus makes an extremely high-end sports car, their LFA. Figure it will cost you about half a million bucks in the USA. And Lexus reportedly loses money on each and every one they sell, even at that price. And you can get a Nissan GT-R for about $100k (or 1/5 the cost of the LFA, for those of you who prefer fractions). Is the LFA five times the car? Heck no. But that's not what the selling price is about. Not in cars, and not in scopes. Be glad that manufacturers invest money in making things better. Such investment paves the way for such improvements to trickle down to the masses.

A buddy's parents bought a microwave oven in 1979. Paid about $500 for it, which in today's dollars would be about $1,500. And that microwave didn't work even half as well as a $70 microwave from Walmart does now.

Somebody will buy the new Hensoldt. If I was a betting man, I'd put my money on one-eyed Jack, who has a penchant for the best stuff. Regardless, I'll look forward to a review of it from Ilya Koshkin at some point. That guy does the rest of us a service, and with Frank possibly alongside on occasion, you gotta count on the review being legitimate.

As to ridiculous asking prices, they're all over the place. Kenny Jarrett's "Beanfield" rifles were cracking $6k+ almost a decade ago, when you could buy "better" stuff at less than half the cost. Let the free market reign. And if you think the dude with the new Hensoldt on his Beanfield who drives up to the match in his LFA would swap places with you after you beat him in a match with your Savage 110FP and a Bushnell Elite 3000 that you load into the back of your Mercury Merkur (with its TWO spoilers), well, you just don't get it.

This post just made me smile! And I was in a really crappy mood too lol!

 

[poison123]

lol.....I don't even know where to start with that Nate. I agree there's a point bro....which is what alot of us told ourselves when we bought the S&B and 4-16 Hennies. The rumored first price for this scope was between 4 and 5k.....hensoldt changes hands and now this scope is over 7k. Tell yourself what ever you need to to get by, but its bullshit plain and simple.

And your LFA / GTR example....funny real funny. The lexus LFA was a failure, the fucked the guys hard who bought the first generation of that car. Just about any car enthusiast that car was never worth any where near their price, yet again thats just showing how big your wallet is. And I know the jackass that has 2 of them...

 

[Dogtown]

Bahahahahah gimmie a break you guys trying to justify it.

Hehe yeah, how dare we!?

 

[poison123]

Hehe yeah, how dare we!?

Come on, I've spent shit tons of money on the latest and greatest. Premier, Henny, the new locking turrets for S&B, Ashbury, etc. I just don't see any way to justify the cost increase on that scope, if anything they've finally caught up their competitors in all the other features besides glass(which they've always been ahead of them in).

 

[BFD711]

I was really looking forward to getting this scope until I read about the price. I think whoever buys it must have their junk slapped square into a bowl of nuts. In other words, they're F'n nuts.

 

[DMONEY]

Spend more time working on your spelling.

Thank you for pointing out my short coming's ... nice to know that some spelling teachers like to shoot guns , maybe if you were a better teacher more kids would graduate ... and not end up working... 3.... jobs to come on to a forum for entertainment to be schooled by YOU !!!

BTW HAVE A NICE DAY

 

[Turk]

I guess the Germans are still pissed about WWI and WWII!

 

[finefire]

In the shotgun world it's called a Fabbri. At some point the $$ = exclusivity. It's marketing- just like the LFA. We're talking about it, right?

 

[Phil1]

Despite the above comments, someone here will buy one.

And a couple years from now there will be quite a few Hide members with them.

 

[LibertyOptics]

Thanks for all the replies, fellas.

Perhaps lost in this discussion is we have the opportunity to sell the full line of Hensoldt for the first time ever, and for that we are thankful.

So, give me a call and let's discuss the full Hensoldt lineup for 2013.

Scott

 

[sgj2025]

Thanks for all the replies, fellas.

Perhaps lost in this discussion is we have the opportunity to sell the full line of Hensoldt for the first time ever, and for that we are thankful.

So, give me a call and let's discuss the full Hensoldt lineup for 2013.

Scott

Congrats Scott,
I am glad you were able to land the Henny line. I may not be able to afford this scope or the new AI rifle but the 4-16 is still an option for me. Have a S&B 5-25 on the AX and think the henny 4-16 wouls be perfect for a 308 gasser. Nice to have a new option, and a great vendor, and a Hell of a nice guy to deal with!

 

[SNIPERS4DUMMIES]

clicks the "pass" button.

What happened to the estimated $4k? price tag, I remember they suggested that price on a shot show video awhile back

 

[00boraslow]

Wow

That is a crazy price.

 

[Cartman]

The peanut gallery comments are typical, but like the liberals say: Don't agree with abortion? Don't have one. Lexus makes an extremely high-end sports car, their LFA. Figure it will cost you about half a million bucks in the USA. And Lexus reportedly loses money on each and every one they sell, even at that price. And you can get a Nissan GT-R for about $100k (or 1/5 the cost of the LFA, for those of you who prefer fractions). Is the LFA five times the car? Heck no. But that's not what the selling price is about. Not in cars, and not in scopes. Be glad that manufacturers invest money in making things better. Such investment paves the way for such improvements to trickle down to the masses.

A buddy's parents bought a microwave oven in 1979. Paid about $500 for it, which in today's dollars would be about $1,500. And that microwave didn't work even half as well as a $70 microwave from Walmart does now.

Somebody will buy the new Hensoldt. If I was a betting man, I'd put my money on one-eyed Jack, who has a penchant for the best stuff. Regardless, I'll look forward to a review of it from Ilya Koshkin at some point. That guy does the rest of us a service, and with Frank possibly alongside on occasion, you gotta count on the review being legitimate.

As to ridiculous asking prices, they're all over the place. Kenny Jarrett's "Beanfield" rifles were cracking $6k+ almost a decade ago, when you could buy "better" stuff at less than half the cost. Let the free market reign. And if you think the dude with the new Hensoldt on his Beanfield who drives up to the match in his LFA would swap places with you after you beat him in a match with your Savage 110FP and a Bushnell Elite 3000 that you load into the back of your Mercury Merkur (with its TWO spoilers), well, you just don't get it.

You may be right that people will buy them, but that doesn't mean it makes much sense. BTW, I know two people with $25,000,000.00+ homes, oodles of money, and they drive more modest cars than I do. If you think everyone with money pisses it away on things that aren't worth it, well, you can guess the rest. Though I concede that whether something is "worth it" is a relative and individual choice. But just because it isn't worth it to many of us doesn't strike me as giving you license to call us a bunch of hecklers from the cheap seats.

 

[ralfabco]

95% (+) of these will go out the door to fill mil contracts. They list it in the catalog, if someone wants to step up to the plate. I cannot imagine they expect it to be a money maker in the civvie world. You have to pay a lot more dollars, to obtain a little more performance.

I believe the 5K number was tossed around, when it was introduced at 2012 Shot.

 

[Goin'Hot]

After all no one else is offering a scope in this mag range so how can you say the price is out of line?....

March has their 3-24 FFP in non illumination for less than $2300. I like my March just fine with no regrets.

 

[PGG]

I hear they are offering 1.9% for 60 month W.A.C.

 

[kristian55]

Hiders,

Got the word. We can order these with a 12 week delivery time. Obviously an awesome scope.

Here's the other shoe dropping. MAP will be $7599


Let me know if you are interested.

Thanks,

Scott

ZF 3.5 - 26 x 56 FFP(HORUS reticle-3980eur.) .
This is possible?


Hello Kristian,

Unfortunately direct mailing to Ukraine is not possible. 2 reasons:
- Insurance is very, very expensive.
- Hensoldt is military product, and we can not get export license to
Ukraine from Germany. It is stupid, but thats how it is.

We are able to send it to any EU- country with no problem.
Start of production was delayed already twice, but we will get scopes
from first manufacturing lot. Promised delivery "from mid to end of
April"

Horus reticle is not available. Only this:
http://www.gregd.net/pics/guns/shot2012/IMG_1512.JPG

 

[Cegorach]

Given the chance I would absolutely try one, but for now I am going to have to content myself slumming it with S&B.

 

[kristian55]

Given the chance I would absolutely try one, but for now I am going to have to content myself slumming it with S&B.

I love a great opportunity FFP March 3-24 and 5-40.

 

[sib1948]

To each his own and the more options available the better for us all, whether you buy one or not. That's how technology evolves. What was learned in building this scope can be incorporated in many other products. It's good someone is willing to spend the money on this type of R&D, otherwise we'd be using slight shots and longbows.

 

[tylerw02]

I don't like high prices more than anybody else. I can't afford one of these things and won't be buying one. But don't act so shocked. The same days when an AW was $3000 and an S&B was $2000, gasoline was just $1.20 and a gallon of milk $1.50. Both the latter are more than twice as much now, so don't be so surprised at $3500 S&Bs. Your money has be inflated...the Federal Reserve only adds about $1.1 trillion to the money supply every year. Think what that does to the value of the dollars in your pocket. Its their way of taxing you without you realizing it. Its not about how many dollars you have, but what they will get you that determines value.

 

[jfields]

I don't like high prices more than anybody else. I can't afford one of these things and won't be buying one. But don't act so shocked. The same days when an AW was $3000 and an S&B was $2000, gasoline was just $1.20 and a gallon of milk $1.50. Both the latter are more than twice as much now, so don't be so surprised at $3500 S&Bs. Your money has be inflated...the Federal Reserve only adds about $1.1 trillion to the money supply every year. Think what that does to the value of the dollars in your pocket. Its their way of taxing you without you realizing it. Its not about how many dollars you have, but what they will get you that determines value.

Sounds like someone was paying attention in ECON 201... Wait, that can't be right. Most College profs are way to liberal to point these facts out. Probably a Fox New watcher!

-Shaky

 

[tylerw02]

I've got a BS in economics, actually.

My professors were about 50% liberals, 10% conservatives, and 40% libertarian. One professor in particular said you can't be an objective economist unless you're libertarian. He was right.

 

[dcjs]

One professor in particular said you can't be an objective economist unless you're libertarian. He was right.

However off topic this may be, but it always lightens my mood when I run across bits and pieces of sanity in a mostly not so sane world.

 

[sbaird4000]

Any body interested in a group buy? 7 guys at $1100 each=$7700.......I'm sure shipping will be $100. We can each have it one day a week. And since I started this group buy I got dibs on Sunday!!!!!! Who's in!!!!!!!!!!

Lol, shared custody.

 

[sbaird4000]

Remember the good days when $1900 was an expensive scope?

Apparently I'm still living in those days.

 

[polarcow]

I recently received this reply to an email (not from the Hensoldt-Cassidian company itself but rather from someone in close contact with them) in regards to this scope:

"Scope is also completely new design internally as well, not based or
copied on any previous Hensoldt scopes. Every bolt, nut,lens including whole large range erector system are
particularly designed for this new scope- not "recycled" with
optimizations (=compromises)"

Perhaps with a scope of this mag range and amount of adjustment the high cost of R&D and manufacture are unavoidable, as was mentioned earlier.

-polarcow

 

[Cobracutter]

Guys,

You are so insensitive. The poor people of Greece and other failing EU nations need us to buy overpriced german shit so they get their welfare payments on time. Stop thinking of yourself. The FSA of Europe needs your support (and money)

Diminishing returns and all that, only someone with enough disposable income to wipe their ass with ben franklins would need to buy this.



Maybe the MAP is $7500 but the real price is around $4K. Only scott (and other dealers) would know.


Maybe Scott is trying to fund a russian bride or two contingent on selling these scopes.... who knows!

 

[Diabolus]

I've been holding out for this for a while. I really hope that is MAP pricing and the real prices are <$4k.

How disappointing!

 

[uskgxh11]

Two things that disappointed me this year...my Nemesis Vanquish is a piece of shit (off topic-- don't buy this gun), and the price of this scope. I remember watching a YouTube video of a guy with the company saying that the price point would be around $4,000. I thought that was pricey, however, I would have still considered buying it. I have to say that even though this scope is probably the best one made yet, I would rather have two smitty's or like 4 or 5 NF's.

And if anyone would like to know about my comment on the vanquish... here goes...
--quantity of 3 mags at $75 ea. Won't feed period
--bullet in .308 would not chamber, stuck out of the barrel 3/4" with barrel removed. Bolt stuck back 3/4" because the bullet wouldn't go forward.
--sent to Dave at Nemesis and he not only put savage parts on my bolt he sanded down the receiver (where it screws on-and it's 50 thousandths out from one side to the other) after cutting the barrel to short. Thanks Dave, now my gun won't be able to accept any other barrels you sell, but you would know that if you could reply to some of my e-mails.
--obviously not a machinists because there are so many "chatter" marks in my barrel that every time I put a piece of lapua brass in it and shoot, since it finally will shoot, it carves the brass up so bad with cut marks that I have to fight the bolt to get the damn thing to eject.
--it shoots about 1.5 MOA and that is impressive considering the shape it is in. My desert tactical SRS shoots a consistent .217 with the 175 bergers/44gr varget/210gm/lap brass/col 2.892
--BTW, SSGTactical in Virginia wouldn't give me a refund either. They also gave me the cold shoulder. I guess they thought that was ok since I don't live close enough to actually talk to them face to face. Doug tells me that every Nemesis they got was shit, and Dave at Nemesis said it was because Doug swapped barrels on the guns he sent him? Aren't they supposed to be able to do that not that I think He did?

Anyway, yes love the Hensoldt, Scott at Liberty needs to mail me a 50% off coupon, and I'm down for one. Thanks bro in advance.

 

[Pleistarchus]

In most part the majority of members here are between bright and smart.......but some.......really need to get CAT scans of their brain because either they fell on their heads too many times when they were young or MAH and PAH were using them for target practice from babies. Stupid Moron.

 

[Diabolus]

I just got my quote from EuroOptics from when I called to get on the pre-order list. At the time, I thought this was going to be ~$4000. Quote is for $7599, beyond absurd for this scope.

I'm sure there will be people that can afford this scope, but this is out of reach for a lot of people. Coupled with the poor customer service, as reported on several threads, this scope is flat out overpriced.

 

[Dogtown]

Yeah, I think the price explosion has more to do with Hensoldt being acquired by Cassidian than anything else. It would sort of be the equivalent of General Dynamics acquiring the S&B PMII line and marketing them solely to mil contracts, effectively pricing them out of civie hands. It's a real shame as that scope has so much going for it.

 

[poison123]

I hear the scope also doubles as a fleshlight for that price.......

 

[The King]

AT this price it should have a built in thermal view, 3k-every-time laser, and automatically adjust for drop.

 

[EventHorizon]

There are plenty of people who pay $5k for a spotting scope and similar amounts for range-finders. High-price optics are not new and optics (other than small rifle and pistol primers) are usually the highest cost items in a high cost endeavor. So what's so outrageous over a $7k tag for an optic you arguably put to greater and harder use? All I would say is that at this price the argument of 'everything breaks' better not apply. I would expect perfection in performance according to specs. It's fine to sell expensive stuff to mil contracts but to civilians typically those are people who are the fussiest...

Good luck with the sales of this awesome optic Scott! Your complete line-up certainly raises your stature amongst the dealers and marks your commitment to selling the best of what's available.

 

[Diabolus]

There are plenty of people who pay $5k for a spotting scope and similar amounts for range-finders. High-price optics are not new and optics (other than small rifle and pistol primers) are usually the highest cost items in a high cost endeavor. So what's so outrageous over a $7k tag for an optic you arguably put to greater and harder use? All I would say is that at this price the argument of 'everything breaks' better not apply. I would expect perfection in performance according to specs. It's fine to sell expensive stuff to mil contracts but to civilians typically those are people who are the fussiest...

Good luck with the sales of this awesome optic Scott! Your complete line-up certainly raises your stature amongst the dealers and marks your commitment to selling the best of what's available.

The pricing on this came in at over $3,000 more than what was expected. This upset a lot of people that were holding out for this scope, I happen to be one. I passed on the S&B 3-20x50, but it looks like it will either be that or a 5-25x56.

Even with the lousy reports of customer service by Hensoldt, I still would have dropped the coin on this scope at the original price announced at SHOT (or close to it). I can't justify it at this price tag, but I am certain there are a few with deep pockets that can. I'm sure this pricing has to do with Military contracts, but it really sucks being the average consumer when bad ass products like this are announced, but priced out of reach for the majority of users, even those willing to drop some coin.

 

[EventHorizon]

I feel your pain. But look at it this way, you can get a Steiner 5-25 MSR for sub-$3k and have a grand left over for girls, scotch and cigars...

I have had Premiers, Hennys, Zeiss and Steiner. Happy with Steiner and the MSR.

 

[Mute]

I hear the scope also doubles as a fleshlight for that price.......

At this price it damned well better come with a real porn star giving you a BJ while you shoot. I'm not adverse to spending money, but I'm also not going to pay an extra $3000 just to get an extra 2x at the bottom end of the magnification range over other equally capable scopes.

 

[LibertyOptics]

Thanks for the feedback, fellas. I will honestly say I've not taken a single order for this scope, not surprising though...

 

[sharac]

I checked it out on IWA and it simply IS amazing and to better understand price one has to take into account they deal primarily with governments and their production capacity is pretty much sold out and what goes to civilian market is peanuts compared to what is sold to various agencies all over the world. Same goes for Accuracy International, PGM, Blaser, Vectronix and the list goes on and on...

You want the best scope there is you pay for it perhaps if sales to governments go sour and there is not enough revenue and none get sold to public there might be price reductions but i wouldn't count on it it is simply the way it is for these premium items.

As to the value to each each own (i just saw a thread where some ancient scope from USMC reached ~6500$ not to mention those funny butt ugly pictures and the one with lady with funny smile and not even topless with all that security and six figure insurance on them...)

 

[tylerw02]

I checked it out on IWA and it simply IS amazing and to better understand price one has to take into account they deal primarily with governments and their production capacity is pretty much sold out and what goes to civilian market is peanuts compared to what is sold to various agencies all over the world. Same goes for Accuracy International, PGM, Blaser, Vectronix and the list goes on and on...

I believe I read an article not long ago about the US Civilian market more or less saving AI from going under for good. Maybe I am wrong.

 

[poison123]

I checked it out on IWA and it simply IS amazing and to better understand price one has to take into account they deal primarily with governments and their production capacity is pretty much sold out and what goes to civilian market is peanuts compared to what is sold to various agencies all over the world. Same goes for Accuracy International, PGM, Blaser, Vectronix and the list goes on and on...

You want the best scope there is you pay for it perhaps if sales to governments go sour and there is not enough revenue and none get sold to public there might be price reductions but i wouldn't count on it it is simply the way it is for these premium items.

As to the value to each each own (i just saw a thread where some ancient scope from USMC reached ~6500$ not to mention those funny butt ugly pictures and the one with lady with funny smile and not even topless with all that security and six figure insurance on them...)

Ya that USMC scope is RARE and a collectors item. Just a little bit of a difference. And it doesn't help the henny that they said about 4k....and then it magically jumps to over 7k.....and their customer service is a fucking nightmare at this point.

 

[sharac]

I believe I read an article not long ago about the US Civilian market more or less saving AI from going under for good. Maybe I am wrong.

Possibly i'm pretty sure companies would rather deal with gov business only than broader market and only economic reasons force them to rethink their positions.

I got into discussion with few Russians there about this (company attitude and what kind of business do they run) as big national company charges quite a lot for export papers (one piece or xy pieces) and another small company will get those same papers for 10x less price (one piece or xy pieces). The bigger they are the less they care about their customer and unless market forces them (via revenue) they will do nothing to improve.

 

[sharac]

Ya that USMC scope is RARE and a collectors item.

And this Hensoldt is what a toothpick? One mans junk is another mans treasure. Someone who doesn't give a crap about shooting or history might consider both persons (the one who buys Hensoldt and the one who bought USMC scope) idiots not to mention their spouses could easily find another place to put $$$ into...

Simple point is price is what it is you may not like it, scope might not be worth it but pricing is their discretion and they can do whatever they want with it...

 

[Diabolus]

And this Hensoldt is what a toothpick? One mans junk is another mans treasure. Someone who doesn't give a crap about shooting or history might consider both persons (the one who buys Hensoldt and the one who bought USMC scope) idiots not to mention their spouses could easily find another place to put $$$ into...

Simple point is price is what it is you may not like it, scope might not be worth it but pricing is their discretion and they can do whatever they want with it...

You state the obvious, but we need to combine our forces and come at Hensoldt with pitch forks and hot tar and demand a price reduction!!!

 

[Mute]

You state the obvious, but we need to combine our forces and come at Hensoldt with pitch forks and hot tar and demand a price reduction!!!

No. We don't. Market forces will determine if this scope succeeds or fails. If no one buys, they'll have to consider either lowering price or dropping production altogether. It's not as if, we as consumers don't have other viable choices.

 

[kristian55]

OK,OK,OK...
For information about the Hensoldt 3.5-26

Hello Kristian!

Hensoldt 3.5-26 availability has still remained same-new delays.
Current first manufacturing lot delivery estimation is"June-July".
.......

 

[LRRPF52]

I fingered and pawed this scope at 2012 SHOT, and it was advertised much lower back then. I'm wanting to say $4400-$4600 IIRC. It's one of the most compact, wide magnification range scopes, with world-leading glass on it. It takes optics snobbery to a whole new level, and I thought I was one.